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Post by alee on Jan 29, 2018 13:06:08 GMT -5
So, the XMC-1 takes 30 seconds to boot from fully off. I don't like leaving it on standby, since it would still pulling down 30W, which is *crazy* for a standby device.
My question is: This thing is basically a computer, right? What's holding up the boot time? Is it the processor? Is it a system memory bottleneck? In other words, what do I have to do in order to get this thing to boot faster?
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Post by goozoo on Jan 29, 2018 13:10:43 GMT -5
Buy a different processor. Seriously. The Classe that I use to have took nearly 2 minutes to boot up. Unfortunately HiFi audio gear is many years behind what modern computers (your phone included) can do. Wait till supercomputers become mainstream, then we'll really have something to complain about .
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Post by novisnick on Jan 29, 2018 13:27:56 GMT -5
So, the XMC-1 takes 30 seconds to boot from fully off. I don't like leaving it on standby, since it would still pulling down 30W, which is *crazy* for a standby device. My question is: This thing is basically a computer, right? What's holding up the boot time? Is it the processor? Is it a system memory bottleneck? In other words, what do I have to do in order to get this thing to boot faster? You need to get 30 seconds worth of patience. 😁
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Post by stiehl11 on Jan 29, 2018 13:34:33 GMT -5
If 30 Watts is a problem, don't get a pool.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 29, 2018 14:15:21 GMT -5
The short answer is that the only thing YOU can do get it to boot faster is to run it in high-power standby. The XMC-1 actually contains a Linux processor and several DSPs..... They each have to boot up and establish communications with each other. Offhand I can't think of a single specific bottleneck which could be eliminated. So, the XMC-1 takes 30 seconds to boot from fully off. I don't like leaving it on standby, since it would still pulling down 30W, which is *crazy* for a standby device. My question is: This thing is basically a computer, right? What's holding up the boot time? Is it the processor? Is it a system memory bottleneck? In other words, what do I have to do in order to get this thing to boot faster?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 29, 2018 14:27:40 GMT -5
Slow CPU? Slow FLASH parts? My old 2010 MacBook Pro now boots up faster than that after replacing the old spinning drive with a Samsung 850Pro 512GB FLASH Drive ... :-)
Casey
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 29, 2018 14:39:22 GMT -5
IMHO, this is a NON ISSUE, to say the least. For my part I have multiple bluray players and the flat screen, in addition to the XMC.....ALL needing roughly the same time to be “battle ready”, so to speak.
A simple juggling 🤹♀️ of the order of things while getting ready for a session, plus sucking down a sip of caffeine and this whole thing goes away.
God forbid I should be in that much of a hurry.
Bill
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 29, 2018 14:48:30 GMT -5
I've had a few slow boot AVR's (30 seconds is lightning fast in comparison) and I just learnt to change my routine. What I used to do was come home from work, change out of my work clothes, poor a drink, get myself comfortable in the lounge, reach for the remote to turn everything on and then sit their complaining while I waited for them to boot up. In frustration took a few AVR's back (BD players too), tried a couple of different brands etc. in the end I worked out that I was the problem. I simply changed my routine to turning on the processor as soon as I walked in the door, let the triggers daisy chain the rest of the gear and then went about changing clothes, drink, lounge, etc. By the time I was ready to watch/listen, everything was up and running and ready to go. The bonus was the gear was a little, or a lot depending on what I did, warmed up so I wasn't listening via stone cold gear (some people claim that makes a difference).
Like almost everything in life, I adapted to my surroundings and didn't stress over things that I had no influence over.
Cheers Gary
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Post by socketman on Jan 29, 2018 15:35:31 GMT -5
I start by warming up the popcorn maker then turn on the system and then the popcorn is ready to go into the machine i go over put in the movie and let it cue up . Kinda like a ballet of sorts really. And 30w isnt much at all in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by flamingeye on Jan 29, 2018 16:26:43 GMT -5
what's 30 seconds in a life , what happened to patience with this generation? you would of hated audio back in the 30s then with tubs worming up and all . how do you deal with lines in a store, movie theater , the wife etc...
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Post by kybourbon on Jan 29, 2018 16:48:47 GMT -5
Are we really complaining about this? 30 seconds? I have a XMC-1 and I have never worried or complained about it.
TWP (third world problems).... when you have to wait 30 seconds for your $2000 processor to be ready.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 29, 2018 17:02:59 GMT -5
Well there is one downside. When your wife does the "hit the wrong button on the remote routine," a very too common occurrence at my house, and the entire thing shuts down right in the middle of some TV show or movie, the restart wait can be really frustrating when all else in the system kicks back in faster. But, still not that big of deal.
Certainly not like having a super slow loading CD player. When you have friends over and are playing D.J., it can be seriously annoying when playing one song here and one song there from multiple CD's and it takes 30 seconds just to unload and load before the next song plays.
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Post by flamingeye on Jan 29, 2018 17:17:46 GMT -5
use playlists and the wife thing is very common at my home too , but that gives me the reason to control the remote
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Post by geebo on Jan 29, 2018 17:26:39 GMT -5
How did you get yours to boot in 30 seconds? Mine takes 45.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 29, 2018 18:04:56 GMT -5
I'll tell y'all a little trick......
If you set your XMC-1 to "Video Remains On" (high-power standby)... It will come back on in a second or two if you hit Standby by mistake... But, you can still force it into low-power standby by holding the Standby Button down for about 30 seconds (like you shut down a computer).
This will let you use full low-power Standby when you're not using the XMC-1.... But still protect you from a long wait when you're recovering from an accidental shutdown....
Well there is one downside. When your wife does the "hit the wrong button on the remote routine," a very too common occurrence at my house, and the entire thing shuts down right in the middle of some TV show or movie, the restart wait can be really frustrating when all else in the system kicks back in faster. But, still not that big of deal. Certainly not like having a super slow loading CD player. When you have friends over and are playing D.J., it can be seriously annoying when playing one song here and one song there from multiple CD's and it takes 30 seconds just to unload and load before the next song plays.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 29, 2018 18:06:03 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh.... the benefits of servers and playlists.... Well there is one downside. When your wife does the "hit the wrong button on the remote routine," a very too common occurrence at my house, and the entire thing shuts down right in the middle of some TV show or movie, the restart wait can be really frustrating when all else in the system kicks back in faster. But, still not that big of deal. Certainly not like having a super slow loading CD player. When you have friends over and are playing D.J., it can be seriously annoying when playing one song here and one song there from multiple CD's and it takes 30 seconds just to unload and load before the next song plays.
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 29, 2018 18:09:58 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhh.... the benefits of servers and playlists.... Well there is one downside. When your wife does the "hit the wrong button on the remote routine," a very too common occurrence at my house, and the entire thing shuts down right in the middle of some TV show or movie, the restart wait can be really frustrating when all else in the system kicks back in faster. But, still not that big of deal. Certainly not like having a super slow loading CD player. When you have friends over and are playing D.J., it can be seriously annoying when playing one song here and one song there from multiple CD's and it takes 30 seconds just to unload and load before the next song plays. Not nearly as fun as people walking to the wall and picking stuff out to play. And it can be in advance or on the fly or what ever. For me, servers, playlists and the likes of Pandora are for back ground music.
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Post by alee on Jan 30, 2018 3:09:00 GMT -5
Yes, yes, 30 seconds isn’t a big deal. But in the era of instant on PCs and other electronics, with all due respect, this just seems like an issue that doesn’t have to exist. It’s not 1980. I’m not waiting for my IBM XT to boot up and do checksums on 128 kB of ram. It’s 2018.
I have other items which have *longer* bootups in my audio chain, such as my ARC Ref 6 tube preamp. There the delay is caused literally by parts warming up. I can live with that. 30 seconds for what can’t be more than a raspberry pi to boot up makes me curious.
But I see that I’ll just have to figure things out myself. That’s not disappointing...I've enjoy a good puzzle. So, I’ll report back when I have some more data on the bootup timeline and potential lines of attack.
If “this is fast enough” was really “fast enough”, I’d still be using that 30 year old XT. There’s always faster, and if little tweaks like processors, RAM or OS loading can help, that doesn’t scare me.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 30, 2018 6:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, yes, 30 seconds isn’t a big deal. But in the era of instant on PCs and other electronics, with all due respect, this just seems like an issue that doesn’t have to exist. It’s not 1980. I’m not waiting for my IBM XT to boot up and do checksums on 128 kB of ram. It’s 2018. I have other items which have *longer* bootups in my audio chain, such as my ARC Ref 6 tube preamp. There the delay is caused literally by parts warming up. I can live with that. 30 seconds for what can’t be more than a raspberry pi to boot up makes me curious. But I see that I’ll just have to figure things out myself. That’s not disappointing...I've enjoy a good puzzle. So, I’ll report back when I have some more data on the bootup timeline and potential lines of attack. If “this is fast enough” was really “fast enough”, I’d still be using that 30 year old XT. There’s always faster, and if little tweaks like processors, RAM or OS loading can help, that doesn’t scare me. keithl of emotiva explained it above...you have a lot of different chips (the Linux processor + several DSP's) that have to each boot and establish communications with each other. In a PC, you don't have that. Now, if you find some magic way to increase boot speed, I'd love to hear it. But, I doubt you will. Mark
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Post by musicfan on Jan 30, 2018 8:11:53 GMT -5
30 seconds huh.... can we please go back and complain about REAL things..i mean that DAMN LIGHT IS PURPLE!!!! now THATS a deal breaker
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