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Post by davidl81 on Jun 11, 2018 15:11:46 GMT -5
I am wondering if there is anyone here, or elsewhere, who might estimate/guess how many of these boards Emotiva might sell? I know at least two wait lists exist. First, there is the DIY group, then the group (including me) who will opt to have the Wizards Of Franklin do the install. Any guesses? 50? 500? 5000? I also wonder if the frustrating (for us and for them) difficulties bringing this V3 board to market, and the anxieties surrounding the upcoming ATMOS board, might cause Emo to rethink their vaunted modular upgrade policy? That would be too bad, but somewhat understandable. --Mike This is just my opinion, but if this HDMI board was not the same board that was going into the RMC-1 and XMC-1G3 I do not think that Emotiva would actually produce it. I just don't think they would sell enough of the upgrade kits @$500 a pop to ever turn a profit on the maybe 1000 they would sell. I guess they would have to come up with a HDMI solution if they were going to keep on selling the XMC-1, but if not for the RMC coming out they may have opted for a simpler solution. It does seem that for now Emotiva is fully dedicated to having modular processors which is a good thing for the consumer. As long as you go into the purchase with the understand that Emotiva will be 2-3 years behind the latest technology (I do not mean that as any insult to Emotiva, just a limitation of Emotiva in general) as for as upgrades go you will have a processor that's good for the next 10 years or so. |
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Post by Hair Nick on Jun 11, 2018 15:54:03 GMT -5
I am wondering if there is anyone here, or elsewhere, who might estimate/guess how many of these boards Emotiva might sell? I know at least two wait lists exist. First, there is the DIY group, then the group (including me) who will opt to have the Wizards Of Franklin do the install. Any guesses? 50? 500? 5000? I also wonder if the frustrating (for us and for them) difficulties bringing this V3 board to market, and the anxieties surrounding the upcoming ATMOS board, might cause Emo to rethink their vaunted modular upgrade policy? That would be too bad, but somewhat understandable. --Mike This is just my opinion, but if this HDMI board was not the same board that was going into the RMC-1 and XMC-1G3 I do not think that Emotiva would actually produce it. I just don't think they would sell enough of the upgrade kits @$500 a pop to ever turn a profit on the maybe 1000 they would sell. I guess they would have to come up with a HDMI solution if they were going to keep on selling the XMC-1, but if not for the RMC coming out they may have opted for a simpler solution. It does seem that for now Emotiva is fully dedicated to having modular processors which is a good thing for the consumer. As long as you go into the purchase with the understand that Emotiva will be 2-3 years behind the latest technology (I do not mean that as any insult to Emotiva, just a limitation of Emotiva in general) as for as upgrades go you will have a processor that's good for the next 10 years or so. This is another reason why we are working hard to get it right. This is the same board that the RMC-1, XMC-1 Gen3, and XMRs will use. |
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Post by liv2teach on Jun 11, 2018 15:59:57 GMT -5
Just listened to the 3/30 podcast again... at 9:02 Dan states that the V3 board is "shipping now". Any clarification on this?
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Post by novisnick on Jun 11, 2018 16:09:22 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, but if this HDMI board was not the same board that was going into the RMC-1 and XMC-1G3 I do not think that Emotiva would actually produce it. I just don't think they would sell enough of the upgrade kits @$500 a pop to ever turn a profit on the maybe 1000 they would sell. I guess they would have to come up with a HDMI solution if they were going to keep on selling the XMC-1, but if not for the RMC coming out they may have opted for a simpler solution. It does seem that for now Emotiva is fully dedicated to having modular processors which is a good thing for the consumer. As long as you go into the purchase with the understand that Emotiva will be 2-3 years behind the latest technology (I do not mean that as any insult to Emotiva, just a limitation of Emotiva in general) as for as upgrades go you will have a processor that's good for the next 10 years or so. This is another reason why we are working hard to get it right. This is the same board that the RMC-1, XMC-1 Gen3, and XMRs will use.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 11, 2018 16:09:27 GMT -5
I am wondering if there is anyone here, or elsewhere, who might estimate/guess how many of these boards Emotiva might sell? I know at least two wait lists exist. First, there is the DIY group, then the group (including me) who will opt to have the Wizards Of Franklin do the install. Any guesses? 50? 500? 5000? I also wonder if the frustrating (for us and for them) difficulties bringing this V3 board to market, and the anxieties surrounding the upcoming ATMOS board, might cause Emo to rethink their vaunted modular upgrade policy? That would be too bad, but somewhat understandable. --Mike This is just my opinion, but if this HDMI board was not the same board that was going into the RMC-1 and XMC-1G3 I do not think that Emotiva would actually produce it. I just don't think they would sell enough of the upgrade kits @$500 a pop to ever turn a profit on the maybe 1000 they would sell. I guess they would have to come up with a HDMI solution if they were going to keep on selling the XMC-1, but if not for the RMC coming out they may have opted for a simpler solution. It does seem that for now Emotiva is fully dedicated to having modular processors which is a good thing for the consumer. As long as you go into the purchase with the understand that Emotiva will be 2-3 years behind the latest technology (I do not mean that as any insult to Emotiva, just a limitation of Emotiva in general) as for as upgrades go you will have a processor that's good for the next 10 years or so. How many, that's a question only Emotiva would know, it would be related to how many XMC-1's they sold originally, which again is not something that is bandied about. We could possibly guess from serial numbers, maybe somone who bought one recently might have a serial number that we can use to decipher if there is a code. Or if it is straight sequential. From the outside it looks to me like the hardware for the 4K HDMI board was relatively easy, it was the software that really has been the pain, what has consumed the time and caused the delays. Since the software is pretty much going to have to be much the same for each next generation of processor and video is pass through (no processing) designing physically different hardware layouts (for physically different processors) doesn't seem like anywhere near the same issue as getting the software to work (for both). So my guess would be that a next generation HDMI board for the XMC-1 isn't going to be a big deal physically. The software for both the new and old models could be just as difficult as this one of course. Atmos, DTS-X, DIRAC and processor boards are another issue, my guess there is that this (Atmos/DTS-X) is a once only upgrade for the XMC-1. The complexity is a few levels above the HDMI board and the physical capacity for upgrade may well get in the way. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 11, 2018 16:14:21 GMT -5
Just listened to the 3/30 podcast again... at 9:02 Dan states that the V3 board is "shipping now". Any clarification on this? The initial supply of boards was "shipping" from the board supplier to Emotiva for them to then finalise the software. Then send some out for beta testing and do their own extensive testing in house. Some people took "shipping" to mean being shipped to customers, which would have meant it was on the web site to order, which it wasn't. That is why I assumed the former. Cheers Gary |
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Post by adam631 on Jun 11, 2018 16:14:33 GMT -5
This is another reason why we are working hard to get it right. This is the same board that the RMC-1, XMC-1 Gen3, and XMRs will use.
So Nick, is that the only holdup on thre Rmc-1?
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Post by melm on Jun 12, 2018 8:19:54 GMT -5
I'm so confused. Dan said the boards are going out. I emailed Emo to check my order and they said no date for shipment. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
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Post by liv2teach on Jun 12, 2018 10:58:50 GMT -5
I'm so confused. Dan said the boards are going out. I emailed Emo to check my order and they said no date for shipment. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Now now, let's be fair, Dan only said he was 99.9% sure they were going out.  |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 12, 2018 13:47:18 GMT -5
I'm so confused. Dan said the boards are going out. I emailed Emo to check my order and they said no date for shipment. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Now now, let's be fair, Dan only said he was 99.9% sure they were going out. To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: Hi all, I'm 99.9% certain that we'll be releasing tomorrow!! Stay tuned for any changes to this plan, but I'm really confident that we're good to go. Again, apologies for the time this has taken, but it's working beautifully! Cheers, Dan |
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Post by melm on Jun 12, 2018 13:49:31 GMT -5
Releasing usually means available. For example release date for movies means in theaters. Software release dates mean available for purchase/download.
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Post by liv2teach on Jun 12, 2018 13:53:21 GMT -5
Now now, let's be fair, Dan only said he was 99.9% sure they were going out. To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: Hi all, I'm 99.9% certain that we'll be releasing tomorrow!! Stay tuned for any changes to this plan, but I'm really confident that we're good to go. Again, apologies for the time this has taken, but it's working beautifully! Cheers, Dan What does release mean? |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 12, 2018 14:01:13 GMT -5
Now now, let's be fair, Dan only said he was 99.9% sure they were going out. To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: Hi all, I'm 99.9% certain that we'll be releasing tomorrow!! Stay tuned for any changes to this plan, but I'm really confident that we're good to go. Again, apologies for the time this has taken, but it's working beautifully! Cheers, Dan Dude.Cmon. You know exactly what he meant. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jun 12, 2018 14:24:25 GMT -5
To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: What does release mean? Depends on what you mean by "mean." |
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Post by socketman on Jun 12, 2018 14:30:53 GMT -5
I feel bad for Dan , they just cant catch a break .
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jun 12, 2018 14:32:43 GMT -5
To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: What does release mean? What does "sure" mean? He chose not to use the word "confident."
Dude.Cmon. You know exactly what he meant. As far as me knowing what he meant, I haven't a clue. My comments to liv2teach are just a little jesting. I was going to devolve it into a discussion of what the "is" in "it's" is, but you've now ruined that.   |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 12, 2018 15:57:07 GMT -5
I think we should open up a new thread. Shiny and new. With artist's conception of what the new board will look like. Maybe a little 10010001 00100101 11101011, oops! I better watch my language!
Seriously though, I actually think a new thread would be helpful once the board is released, shipped, installed, sold, bought, and we are "sure" and "confident" that we know that it then will "mean" that the board is actually usable by actual consumers.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 12, 2018 16:24:29 GMT -5
To be fair he didn't say "going out," he only talked about the software: What does release mean? Hi everyone, To help clarify, please see Lonnie's recent comments about progress and status. Yes, on the 6th we were quite certain we had a sign-off, however, we found a bug at the last minute that had to do with a certain brand of projector ( I'm paraphrasing Lonnie), so we've been working on the bug, and then after that one cleared, another bug. We hope to have a sign off soon. We are working around the clock with our HDMI partner. We can't give a ship date until we have an all-clear, but it's very very close. |
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Post by adaboy on Jun 12, 2018 16:48:52 GMT -5
Same pig, different lipstick. Are you sure that’s the language you want to use in reply to Jessica’s post? No disrespect was intended for Jessica, hence I didn't quote her directly. It was for the message not the messenger. Hope that clears things up. |
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 12, 2018 16:51:10 GMT -5
I find it amazing, the number of “where is it” posts SEEM to outnumber handily, the “take the time to get it Right” ones.
Oh well 😔 anyway, I’m the tortoise and the hair guy, who just watched the DL YouTube showing this board being for RMC and XMC.
If that’s the case it’s a huge longevity boost for a processor I’ve already had for over 3 and a half years.....
I’ll wait.
Bill
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