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Post by socketman on Feb 1, 2018 15:43:12 GMT -5
Any word on that little gem would be awesomeness.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Feb 1, 2018 17:05:55 GMT -5
Any word on that little gem would be awesomeness. 3 words. Not ready yet.
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Post by ttocs on Jul 12, 2018 19:32:36 GMT -5
I've been searching around the Lounge and haven't come up with any thread more aptly named than this one regarding Atmos for the XMC-1. Soooo,
I simply don't remember what the wild guess was for a target era for the Atmos upgrade release. Is it suppose to be this year, or maybe aim for early next year?
I'm starting to plan for more channels and speakers and I usually like to pace myself when "gearing" up, so to speak. The BasX A-800 seems like a good fit to run all the surrounds, then sell the XPA-200.
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Post by knucklehead on Jul 12, 2018 21:18:03 GMT -5
Emotiva's silence on Atmos/DTS:X speaks volumes. Given that I've been hanging around here for the better part of 10 years this has become the norm. I would think they are no doubt having problems getting Atmos to work in the XMC-1. If I wanted Atmos soon I would look elsewhere, unless they manage an update with something more firm than "we're working on it".
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 13, 2018 8:24:57 GMT -5
I just read a June 2018 article that still describes ATMOS as being in its infancy, that it works best in small rooms rather than large, which seems to throw water on all of those channels. Also the vaulted ceiling issues. Many other obstacles stand in the way of making object based audio a standard cost effective format for the masses.....save your money 💰....my advice!
Bill
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 13, 2018 8:46:21 GMT -5
I just read a June 2018 article that still describes ATMOS as being in its infancy, that it works best in small rooms rather than large, which seems to throw water on all of those channels. Also the vaulted ceiling issues. Many other obstacles stand in the way of making object based audio a standard cost effective format for the masses.....save your money 💰....my advice! Bill I don't think that's fair at all to say save your money. I have had Atmos for almost four years and I am very happy I made the decision to go that route. Is it always the super immersive experience it was advertised to be? No, but when done well in my media room it is a huge leap from a 7.1 setup. And honestly the cost to go from a 7.1 to a 7.1.4 system was maybe $1500 more in my case (4 in ceiling speakers and a few more channels on the amp), When I look at my overall cost in the media room the $1500 was not really that much. One could spend a lot more or less than that for Atmos depending on the situation. Now I would not advise someone to go through a major living room modification just to accommodate Atmos if budget is a concern, but if anyone is setting up a new theater room today they would be foolish IMO not to set it up for Atmos.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 13, 2018 8:53:52 GMT -5
I've been searching around the Lounge and haven't come up with any thread more aptly named than this one regarding Atmos for the XMC-1. Soooo, I simply don't remember what the wild guess was for a target era for the Atmos upgrade release. Is it suppose to be this year, or maybe aim for early next year? I'm starting to plan for more channels and speakers and I usually like to pace myself when "gearing" up, so to speak. The BasX A-800 seems like a good fit to run all the surrounds, then sell the XPA-200. I would look at getting the A-700 and keeping the XPA-200 for your L/R speakers if your budget were to allow it. the A-800 is a little on the low power side (50W @8ohm 2channel, 30W per channel all channels driven) where the A-700 give you 110W w/2 channels driven, and 80W all channels driven.
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 13, 2018 9:16:08 GMT -5
I just read a June 2018 article that still describes ATMOS as being in its infancy, that it works best in small rooms rather than large, which seems to throw water on all of those channels. Also the vaulted ceiling issues. Many other obstacles stand in the way of making object based audio a standard cost effective format for the masses.....save your money 💰....my advice! Bill I don't think that's fair at all to say save your money. I have had Atmos for almost four years and I am very happy I made the decision to go that route. Is it always the super immersive experience it was advertised to be? No, but when done well in my media room it is a huge leap from a 7.1 setup. And honestly the cost to go from a 7.1 to a 7.1.4 system was maybe $1500 more in my case (4 in ceiling speakers and a few more channels on the amp), When I look at my overall cost in the media room the $1500 was not really that much. One could spend a lot more or less than that for Atmos depending on the situation. Now I would not advise someone to go through a major living room modification just to accommodate Atmos if budget is a concern, but if anyone is setting up a new theater room today they would be foolish IMO not to set it up for Atmos. David, I said "for the masses.....save your money"! You are part of that group that went for this early on and took it all the way and that's great! For the mainstream users who have no decoding gear yet and all the rest, the jump to get where you are now would be huge to get ATMOS/DTSX/AURO 3D on your level. So, not at all unfair (we agree to disagree) about holding onto finances for a little longer to see how this all pans out. For continued object based content, many companies have to continually work together and I see that as problematic.....all of it comes down to money. Bill
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 13, 2018 9:20:22 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair at all to say save your money. I have had Atmos for almost four years and I am very happy I made the decision to go that route. Is it always the super immersive experience it was advertised to be? No, but when done well in my media room it is a huge leap from a 7.1 setup. And honestly the cost to go from a 7.1 to a 7.1.4 system was maybe $1500 more in my case (4 in ceiling speakers and a few more channels on the amp), When I look at my overall cost in the media room the $1500 was not really that much. One could spend a lot more or less than that for Atmos depending on the situation. Now I would not advise someone to go through a major living room modification just to accommodate Atmos if budget is a concern, but if anyone is setting up a new theater room today they would be foolish IMO not to set it up for Atmos. David, I said "for the masses.....save your money"! You are part of that group that went for this early on and took it all the way and that's great! For the mainstream users who have no decoding gear yet and all the rest, the jump to get where you are now would be huge to get ATMOS/DTSX/AURO 3D on your level. So, not at all unfair (we agree to disagree) about holding onto finances for a little longer to see how this all pans out. For continued object based content, many companies have to continually work together and I see that as problematic.....all of it comes down to money. Bill Fair enough, it really just depends on what phase you current setup is in. If you were thinking of making Pre/Pro,speaker,amp upgrades now for whatever various reason then I would go ahead and do Atmos. I do agree with you that if I had a solid 5.1/7.1 system and I had no reason to upgrade except for Atmos then the cost/benefit would most likely not be worth it.
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Post by ttocs on Jul 13, 2018 9:34:20 GMT -5
I've been searching around the Lounge and haven't come up with any thread more aptly named than this one regarding Atmos for the XMC-1. Soooo, I simply don't remember what the wild guess was for a target era for the Atmos upgrade release. Is it suppose to be this year, or maybe aim for early next year? I'm starting to plan for more channels and speakers and I usually like to pace myself when "gearing" up, so to speak. The BasX A-800 seems like a good fit to run all the surrounds, then sell the XPA-200. I would look at getting the A-700 and keeping the XPA-200 for your L/R speakers if your budget were to allow it. the A-800 is a little on the low power side (50W @8ohm 2channel, 30W per channel all channels driven) where the A-700 give you 110W w/2 channels driven, and 80W all channels driven. Thanks, but . . . I've got the Krell 5 channel driving the LCR because they're electrostatic hybrids, left and right biamped go down to 1.2ohms and the Krell doesn't care so long as it's not just two wires crossed. The XPA-200 (great amp!) is only driving the two surrounds, overkill for what I now have for speakers, used to have floor standers but now are wall mounted small speakers. So I need 8 channels in addition to the fronts . . . eventually, for Atmos, and frankly, I'd like to just have one amp driving those 8 channels. I'm thinking of the Airmotiv E1 speaker for the additional six speakers, I'd keep the two small Martin Logans I've already got. Hmmmmm, now that I'm writing this, and because I'm too lazy to go back and edit, maybe like you say - keep the XPA-200 in play and then get the A-700 for just the additional six speakers. Then, I can still have 5.2 for every day stuff and trigger the 7.2 - and eventually 7.2.4 - only while watching movies! I like it when a plan comes together! ps- you just cost me more money! I hope you're happy!
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 13, 2018 14:59:36 GMT -5
If you have any multi channel SACD's once you try them with say Auromatic you might find you use the 7.2.4 for more than just movies.
Cheers Gary
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Post by audiophill on Jul 13, 2018 15:16:51 GMT -5
Ha, I have a A-800 it has more power than you think! I have 3 XPR-1's for front L,C,R. A SA-250 for rear surrounds, a RPA-2 for back surrounds. Then the A-800 bridged at 80x4 for the 4 Atmos speakers. I first ran the A-800 not bridged and that still kept up with my other super power amps for movies. The A-800 is a LOT better than it is getting credit for. Try one and then knock it if it does not deliver for you, for me it was shocking how good it really is and sounds. My ears my set up of course. Now bring on the RMC-1 please.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 13, 2018 15:19:47 GMT -5
I've been searching around the Lounge and haven't come up with any thread more aptly named than this one regarding Atmos for the XMC-1. Soooo, I simply don't remember what the wild guess was for a target era for the Atmos upgrade release. Is it suppose to be this year, or maybe aim for early next year? I'm starting to plan for more channels and speakers and I usually like to pace myself when "gearing" up, so to speak. The BasX A-800 seems like a good fit to run all the surrounds, then sell the XPA-200. I thought this was the most complete current thread ... do we need another? emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/936055/thread
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Post by ttocs on Jul 13, 2018 15:23:38 GMT -5
If you have any multi channel SACD's once you try them with say Auromatic you might find you use the 7.2.4 for more than just movies. Cheers Gary A close friend had a SACD setup a while back, and yes, it was very cool! But, I've only been to one concert that had sound all-around the amphitheater, and that was Pink Floyd. They used only their sound equipment in a place - The Rosemont Horizon - known for terrible acoustics, and it was the best sounding concert I've experienced! That concert is where I determined that I didn't have enough bass by a long shot!!! But your point is well taken. Yes, once I got it, gotta use it! Right? ps- You know? Steve Martin had a bit about his stereo, didn't sound right, then bought a Quadraphonic system - wow, four speakers!, didn't sound right, then he got the Milliphonic system with 1,000 speakers, but it still didn't sound quite right, then he said: Maybe it's the needle!
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Post by ttocs on Jul 13, 2018 15:31:51 GMT -5
I've been searching around the Lounge and haven't come up with any thread more aptly named than this one regarding Atmos for the XMC-1. Soooo, I simply don't remember what the wild guess was for a target era for the Atmos upgrade release. Is it suppose to be this year, or maybe aim for early next year? I'm starting to plan for more channels and speakers and I usually like to pace myself when "gearing" up, so to speak. The BasX A-800 seems like a good fit to run all the surrounds, then sell the XPA-200. I thought this was the most complete current thread ... do we need another? emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/936055/threadThis did not come up when I searched Atmos. In my opinion we don't need another, especially when this one includes Carly Simon's most famous song title in its title. I see why it didn't come up in the search. It was because I was only searching in XMC-1. So, like Mrs. Choate on Seinfeld, I change my vote. We need a discussion within the arena of the XMC-1.
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Post by garbulky on Jul 13, 2018 15:33:42 GMT -5
I'm always surprised that Atmos hasn't been used for reference stereo music. I think it would be very good for high fidelity reproduction of a choir or orchestra. The ability to reproduce the height of different instruments, and the refelections off the walls and ceilings sounds like it would be an amazing thing.
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Post by KeithL on Jul 13, 2018 16:47:48 GMT -5
I think the reason is relatively simple - once you know how Atmos "works".
It's sort of the difference between taking a photo and doing a 3D rendering on a computer.
Atmos is more of a MASTERING system than it is a RECORDING system. In order to use Atmos to position each instrument in a certain spot, you would have to record each instrument separately, and assign it to a separate Atmos object. You could then assign each of those Atmos objects to a specific location.
You could undoubtedly figure out some way to do "a 3D recording" using multiple microphones - but not a separate one for each instrument. You could then figure out some way to map the information contained in that 3D recording onto the "virtual reality" that is Atmos. However, it would take a bit of doing, and I don't think anybody has done it yet.
Alternately, you could make a current surround sound recording, but add several "height microphones". You could them "just stick the height microphones to the height channels". However, to be honest, I suspect the result would be depressingly similar to what you'd get now with something like Dolby PLIIz.
It's going to take some doing to get it right and do it well.... And the push for 3D music, or even surround sound music, really isn't there. (Surround capabilities were supposed to be one of the big advantages of SACDs.... but it wasn't enough to make them a viable product either.)
I'm always surprised that Atmos hasn't been used for reference stereo music. I think it would be very good for high fidelity reproduction of a choir or orchestra. The ability to reproduce the height of different instruments, and the refelections off the walls and ceilings sounds like it would be an amazing thing.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 13, 2018 17:05:50 GMT -5
David, I said "for the masses.....save your money"! You are part of that group that went for this early on and took it all the way and that's great! For the mainstream users who have no decoding gear yet and all the rest, the jump to get where you are now would be huge to get ATMOS/DTSX/AURO 3D on your level. So, not at all unfair (we agree to disagree) about holding onto finances for a little longer to see how this all pans out. For continued object based content, many companies have to continually work together and I see that as problematic.....all of it comes down to money. Bill Fair enough, it really just depends on what phase you current setup is in. If you were thinking of making Pre/Pro,speaker,amp upgrades now for whatever various reason then I would go ahead and do Atmos. I do agree with you that if I had a solid 5.1/7.1 system and I had no reason to upgrade except for Atmos then the cost/benefit would most likely not be worth it. This describes my situation at this point. I just have no drive to go the extra mile and get 4 ceiling speakers and 4 power amp channels to drive them. Right now I'm in the middle of a kitchen renovation, and next will be the bathrooms and then new windows all around once hurricane season passes and it start getting cooler here in the Florida Panhandle. My 7.2 setup, to me, sounds phenomenal so the want and or desire just isn't near the top of my home improvements list.
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Post by garbulky on Jul 13, 2018 17:26:47 GMT -5
I think the reason is relatively simple - once you know how Atmos "works". Alternately, you could make a current surround sound recording, but add several "height microphones". You could them "just stick the height microphones to the height channels". [/div] [/quote] That's what I'm talking about here. This allows for a way to have stereo height channels. So for instance you have a person playing a guitar and singing, this would enable you to hear the difference. You could also hear the difference in sizes of instruments better than the stereo representation.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 13, 2018 18:49:45 GMT -5
An example, the Seventh Sojourn multi channel SACD by the Moody Blues, Lost in a Lost World, in Auromatic the violins cascade down all around you from the ceiling it's truly AMAZING. No , it's not "just like concert", I've been to a couple, but since the violins are amplified and usually emanate from the height speaker arrays it's not totally alien. Other songs on the same SACD don't benefit as much but LINALW is a great reference for 3D sound and immersing oneself in the music.
Cheers Gary
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