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Post by musicfan on Feb 19, 2018 21:53:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I'm going to gain a lot of haters, but I found Atmos just to be a gimmick if not implemented correctly. With all the fuzz about Atmos and the soon to be released Atmos board upgrade for the XMC-1 I decided to try it myself in my bedroom before making an investment. For us XMC-1 owners, getting Atmos is not cheap. In my case it can go up to $2100 (4 x speakers + External amp + Atmos upgrade board). In my condo I can't do ceiling speakers because of fire code restrictions. So, I did try it in my bedroom with a Marantz NR1606, which is Atmos ready and got the two speaker options available: for high wall speakers I got a pair of SVS Prime Elevation and for up firing modules, got a pair of PSB Imagine XA. Tried the Prime Elevation first and got mixed results/feelings. I got several Atmos Blue Ray discs (It, Blade Runner 2049, Hacksaw Ridge and San Andreas) that have been proven to be among the best for immersive audio testing. With the Prime Elevation the sound was too directional. I knew the sound was coming from the front wall even the speakers were placed right at the top of the wall. I have 9 ft ceilings so it's ideal for Atmos effect. After a few hours I knew that those were not the right speakers. Put them back in the box and shipped back to Amazon. Then ordered a pair of PSB Imagine XA Atmos modules from Crutchfield, got them, ran Audyssey and after listening for a few hours to different scenes from the 4 movies, I found that the sound was a bit more 3D, definitely better than with the Prime Elevation speakers but still not enough convincing. I had to increase the volume on the receiver for the Atmos speakers (+5dB) to get the bouncing effect but then the sound coming from the speaker itself was too obvious/distracting. So, my final test was to measure how much time the Atmos speakers are active during a movie. Played San Andreas, which is an awful movie but according to many one of the best for Atmos testing and unplugged all the speakers but the Atmos speakers. Which is not the same as turning off the speakers on the receiver. What I discovered was shocking. During the first 25 mins of San Andreas, the Atmos speakers were active for less than 1 min. After doing some reasoning, I decided to send the PSB speakers back to Crutchfield. I couldn't justify investing $2100 just to get 5 mins out of 120 mins of additional information. For those able to get/install ceiling speakers and no need to upgrade or purchase extra components, Atmos could be a nice addition. I know customers and friends that did get Atmos with less than $500. In my case, I did my research/testing and the results said clearly to me that it's not worth the investment. I do prefer to put that $$$ in a Sony OLED 55A1E for my bedroom or in a JVC RS540 for my living room. You chose poorly. San Andrea’s is one of the worst Atmos movies as you discovered. Also the first year of Atmos I think the mixers were getting heir feet wet. Try your experiment again with “IT” then report back
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Post by tchaik on Feb 19, 2018 22:14:32 GMT -5
musicfan........
curious to know what gear you are using in your system. how long have you been using atmos. what are the best movies for the genre?
tchaik........
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Post by musicfan on Feb 19, 2018 22:21:31 GMT -5
musicfan........ curious to know what gear you are using in your system. how long have you been using atmos. what are the best movies for the genre? tchaik........ I have had Atmos since the day it came out (then took a 5 month hiatus having owned he xmc-1 but then went back to Atmos) I am using a Denon x7200wa and a emo a700 with all diy speakers (11 total with 4 subs 7.4.4) Some of the Best Atmos movies off the top of my head: IT Blade runner 2049 Transformers the last knight Guardians of the galaxy 2 Everest Gravity dlx edition Mad max fury road Spider-Man homecoming Wonder Woman Alien covenant King skull island Life Sully
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Post by emofrmcgy on Feb 19, 2018 22:24:19 GMT -5
musicfan........ curious to know what gear you are using in your system. how long have you been using atmos. what are the best movies for the genre? tchaik........ I have had Atmos since the day it came out (then took a 5 month hiatus having owned he xmc-1 but then went back to Atmos) I am using a Denon x7200wa and a emo a700 with all diy speakers (11 total with 4 subs 7.4.4) Some of the Best Atmos movies off the top of my head: IT Blade runner 2049 Transformers the last knight Guardians of the galaxy 2 Everest Gravity dlx edition Mad max fury road How did you sit through the last knight. My Gawd. That movie was horrible. Lol. Blade runner was awesome. Guardians was A+ as well. Will check into Everest. What diy speakers ?
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Post by musicfan on Feb 19, 2018 22:26:18 GMT -5
I have had Atmos since the day it came out (then took a 5 month hiatus having owned he xmc-1 but then went back to Atmos) I am using a Denon x7200wa and a emo a700 with all diy speakers (11 total with 4 subs 7.4.4) Some of the Best Atmos movies off the top of my head: IT Blade runner 2049 Transformers the last knight Guardians of the galaxy 2 Everest Gravity dlx edition Mad max fury road How did you sit through the last knight. My Gawd. That movie was horrible. Lol. Blade runner was awesome. Guardians was A+ as well. Will check into Everest. What diy speakers ? Gorgeous picture (4K) and sound. Makes it bareable for me but my son loves it too so there’s that. Mains are 1099’s and the rest are all volts (all diysoundgroup) subs are 18” sealed stereo integrity ds4’s
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Post by emofrmcgy on Feb 19, 2018 22:31:14 GMT -5
How did you sit through the last knight. My Gawd. That movie was horrible. Lol. Blade runner was awesome. Guardians was A+ as well. Will check into Everest. What diy speakers ? Gorgeous picture (4K) and sound. Makes it bareable for me but my son loves it too so there’s that. Mains are 1099’s and the rest are all volts (all diysoundgroup) subs are 18” sealed stereo integrity ds4’s Beauty. I had 1099’s but sold em to move to Titan Lx’s. And volt 6’s for surround and atmos. 4 Uxl’s and 4 pa460’s. Yeah picture was excellent but I lost it when megatron was asking for his crew to be released. Lol
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Post by musicfan on Feb 19, 2018 22:37:58 GMT -5
Gorgeous picture (4K) and sound. Makes it bareable for me but my son loves it too so there’s that. Mains are 1099’s and the rest are all volts (all diysoundgroup) subs are 18” sealed stereo integrity ds4’s Beauty. I had 1099’s but sold em to move to Titan Lx’s. And volt 6’s for surround and atmos. 4 Uxl’s and 4 pa460’s. Yeah picture was excellent but I lost it when megatron was asking for his crew to be released. Lol hahah. Yeah that part. And the odd part of sir Anthony Hopkins How are the titans? I’ve lustes over those. But they would be more hen overkill in my HT lol
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Post by wpl on Feb 19, 2018 22:45:24 GMT -5
hardly character as behind the curve? you have to be kidding right? by the time the xmc (which is supposed to be the last processor you need for 15 years) finally gets the ability to decode the latest codecs Atmos will have been out in the home for close to 3.5 years...I would say that is WAY behind the curve...and very late to the party... You keep missing the point. Dolby Atmos is a niche market item that is used by almost NO ONE when compared to mainstream home theater installations. The idea that a processor is behind the curve because it’s not object based audio equipped is absolutely ludicrous. Plenty of those are out in the field, if you want one. Bill yes I say .... bravo ..... a niche market product .. because of that. because of such a thing emo said to me 3 weeks ago no we do not sell the xmc to overseas. only here in / to usa. look here ..... emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/xmc-1 ... OVERVIEW FEATURES SPECIFICATIONS ... if you read this, this lobgesang ,,, the 1 section is already enough "What can / can I still believe here please
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Post by emofrmcgy on Feb 19, 2018 22:51:55 GMT -5
Beauty. I had 1099’s but sold em to move to Titan Lx’s. And volt 6’s for surround and atmos. 4 Uxl’s and 4 pa460’s. Yeah picture was excellent but I lost it when megatron was asking for his crew to be released. Lol hahah. Yeah that part. And the odd part of sir Anthony Hopkins How are the titans? I’ve lustes over those. But they would be more hen overkill in my HT lol My room is 12’ wide 24’long. With front 40” eaten up by false wall and a pair of maxx v3’s separating LCR😉😉 Front row is 11-12’ from screen and second row is on the back wall. The titans sound HUGE. The 1099’s were incredible speakers but I found they threw the sound at you. The titans more engulf you in sound. Not as forward with much less “bite” to the midrange. Yet still highly dynamic and detailed. I regret nothing. Go listen to some if you ever get the chance. No such thing as overkill, just means they don’t work as hard. Lol. Buddy of mine used to say anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
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Post by fbczar on Feb 20, 2018 8:04:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I'm going to gain a lot of haters, but I found Atmos just to be a gimmick if not implemented correctly. With all the fuzz about Atmos and the soon to be released Atmos board upgrade for the XMC-1 I decided to try it myself in my bedroom before making an investment. For us XMC-1 owners, getting Atmos is not cheap. In my case it can go up to $2100 (4 x speakers + External amp + Atmos upgrade board). In my condo I can't do ceiling speakers because of fire code restrictions. So, I did try it in my bedroom with a Marantz NR1606, which is Atmos ready and got the two speaker options available: for high wall speakers I got a pair of SVS Prime Elevation and for up firing modules, got a pair of PSB Imagine XA. Tried the Prime Elevation first and got mixed results/feelings. I got several Atmos Blue Ray discs (It, Blade Runner 2049, Hacksaw Ridge and San Andreas) that have been proven to be among the best for immersive audio testing. With the Prime Elevation the sound was too directional. I knew the sound was coming from the front wall even the speakers were placed right at the top of the wall. I have 9 ft ceilings so it's ideal for Atmos effect. After a few hours I knew that those were not the right speakers. Put them back in the box and shipped back to Amazon. Then ordered a pair of PSB Imagine XA Atmos modules from Crutchfield, got them, ran Audyssey and after listening for a few hours to different scenes from the 4 movies, I found that the sound was a bit more 3D, definitely better than with the Prime Elevation speakers but still not enough convincing. I had to increase the volume on the receiver for the Atmos speakers (+5dB) to get the bouncing effect but then the sound coming from the speaker itself was too obvious/distracting. So, my final test was to measure how much time the Atmos speakers are active during a movie. Played San Andreas, which is an awful movie but according to many one of the best for Atmos testing and unplugged all the speakers but the Atmos speakers. Which is not the same as turning off the speakers on the receiver. What I discovered was shocking. During the first 25 mins of San Andreas, the Atmos speakers were active for less than 1 min. After doing some reasoning, I decided to send the PSB speakers back to Crutchfield. I couldn't justify investing $2100 just to get 5 mins out of 120 mins of additional information. For those able to get/install ceiling speakers and no need to upgrade or purchase extra components, Atmos could be a nice addition. I know customers and friends that did get Atmos with less than $500. In my case, I did my research/testing and the results said clearly to me that it's not worth the investment. I do prefer to put that $$$ in a Sony OLED 55A1E for my bedroom or in a JVC RS540 for my living room. Just be sure I understand could you you explain the orientation of the SVS Prime Elevation speakers you tested relative to the main listening position? Were they mounted on the front wall, pointed at the listening position like stereo speakers would be or were they mounted on the side walls pointing toward each other?
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Post by tchaik on Feb 20, 2018 11:52:07 GMT -5
musicfan........ curious to know what gear you are using in your system. how long have you been using atmos. what are the best movies for the genre? tchaik........ I have had Atmos since the day it came out (then took a 5 month hiatus having owned he xmc-1 but then went back to Atmos) I am using a Denon x7200wa and a emo a700 with all diy speakers (11 total with 4 subs 7.4.4) Some of the Best Atmos movies off the top of my head: IT Blade runner 2049 Transformers the last knight Guardians of the galaxy 2 Everest Gravity dlx edition Mad max fury road Spider-Man homecoming Wonder Woman Alien covenant King skull island Life Sully thanks for the info musicfan. i too have owned denon receivers in the past (all good stuff, before the hdmi days) but was supremely pleased when i moved to the emo stuff for pre-pros and amps. i sold my XMC-1 to get ready for the RMC-1 or XMC-1 gen 3. i probably will never rewire my living room beyond my 7.2 setup because of the WAF but it will be interesting to hear what atmos can do through a traditional 7.2 setup. i still need to buy a new player though. i have the older oppo bluray. can't remember #. kind of balking at the price of atmos discs though. tchaik.........
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