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Post by Cory Cooper on Apr 8, 2018 9:50:49 GMT -5
I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest.
I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs.
Thanks for anything you choose to share,
C
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Post by brutiarti on Apr 8, 2018 9:57:33 GMT -5
I don’t have experience with upscaling but now it’s almost impossible to find big TVs that are only 1080p. Used market will be an alternative.
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Post by Priapulus on Apr 8, 2018 9:59:35 GMT -5
I expect in the near future most viewing is going to be downloaded or streamed (Netflicks, etc), so unless you live somewhere with no hope of good internet service, I'd not be too concerned with DVDs. Everything is rapidly going 4K and I wouldn't consider anything less.
I love movies, but I haven't owned a CD/DVD player in 5 years (though my computer have one for ripping).
Sincerely /b
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Post by jdmusante on Apr 8, 2018 12:00:24 GMT -5
I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. I would think you wouldn't care for the look of a 4k TV if you don't like the resolution of Blu-rays. I'm in the same boat, just with the 4K portion though. It almost feels like the picture is 'fake' the resolution is so high. My opinion is that Blu-rays look stunning on my Panasonic Plasma. I've had an Oppo for years. When flat screen, HD TVs started becoming available at reasonable prices 10-12 years ago, the Oppos were great at upscaling. I didn't feel that way the last time in put a DVD in my 105D. Can you buy a 1080p only TV these days? Best Buy has 4k UHD TVs starting at $300.
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 8, 2018 12:08:48 GMT -5
I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C 4k and in the near future 8k and so on. Personally and this is MO I would not worried about replacing ALL of my blu-ray dics. Go for the 4k BIG screen or as much as you can afford. I love OPPO and have their OPPO 93...works flawlessly but since they are getting out of the UDP-203/205 business and anything related to movies 🎥 I would go a different route. There are many hi quality 4k players out there that won't break the bank and I would look for something with a 5yr warranty if possible. Do some research. Also I am sure there are many people here on this forum that have opinions on which 4k player to endorse. Good Luck
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 8, 2018 12:30:04 GMT -5
I have found the DVD’s I’ve tried playing on my 4K panel look quite grainy whether the scaling is done by the player or the TV, but blu-ray movies look surprisingly stunning being up-scaled to 4K.
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Post by socketman on Apr 8, 2018 13:27:52 GMT -5
I have to agree with JD , the new TV's and especially the OLED's tend to look fake or exagerated almost polished. You will have to pry my 60 in plasma from my cold dead hands,nothing compares for watching hockey. I do have a LED/lcd and its ok for movies though off angle viewing is just sad.
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 8, 2018 14:18:15 GMT -5
I have to agree with JD , the new TV's and especially the OLED's tend to look fake or exagerated almost polished. You will have to pry my 60 in plasma from my cold dead hands,nothing compares for watching hockey. I do have a LED/lcd and its ok for movies though off angle viewing is just sad. This hasn’t been my experience. The only way an OLED can look “fake” or “too polished” is if the artificial motion enhancements are cranked to the max. Of course, no experienced user would do this. If you’ve demoed an OLED in a store, this is exactly what you’re seeing. LG’s motion is set to “Clear”, by default, which is “full on” 240 Hz frame interpolation and introduces a high level of “soap opera effect”. Some images look stunning while others can give you a headache. I loved my plasma too, but I now feel the same way as you... you’d have to pry my OLED from my cold dead hands.
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Post by socketman on Apr 8, 2018 14:58:05 GMT -5
I am sure there will come a day when i spring for an oled and i am also sure that among all the useless add on features i will find all the off buttons and be able to tailor it to suit my tastes. I do realize the stores like to hit you with that wow factor and also i suspect none of us use fluorescent lights while watching tv. At my age i have watched some horrible pictures and been perfectly happy so i am not hard to please
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 8, 2018 15:48:57 GMT -5
For pretty much any popular model of panel on the market there's an online guide on how to "optimise" it's settings. For my model there was even a list of settings to make it look more "plasma" like. Alternatively, getting a professional to calibrate it can be worthwhile. I went 4K simply to retain as close to the 1080 resolution in a larger screen, in a dots per square inch sense. I have a reasonably large collection of DVD's and they look better than ever on the bigger 4K panel, I haven't found one yet that doesn't. FWIW I upscale in the panel not in the player.
Cheers Gary
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Post by ottaone on Apr 8, 2018 16:05:48 GMT -5
I almost bought the LG OLED65B7 with my tax refund that I have yet to receive.:-) MDW keeps telling me not spend on stuff but to use financial assets to buy experience and create memories. So I told her I'll buy a 4k TV experience.
The US already has the 2018 LG OLED models that have yet to show up in Canada so I may just wait a few more months before buying the 4K TV and see what the price and feature differences are between 2017 and 2018. I think the main features of HDR, Dolby Vision, and so on are probably the same so 2017 models may be a better value soon.
Since Samsung is not going to OLED and Sony uses LG OLED panels, I don't imagine OLED prices to drastically change this year or the next.
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Post by mr on Apr 8, 2018 16:09:11 GMT -5
As long as you have no burn-in on the Panasonic plasma, an OLED might be right for you. Burn-in killed my Kuro Elite monitor. I won't pay big $$ for an OLED because of the burn-in problem.
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 8, 2018 19:09:46 GMT -5
I’ve owned a 4K Samsung SUHD 65” JS850D (Costco model number) going on two years now and it’s been fantastic. I’v calibrated the picture using settings provided by Rtings and CNET and have used my Disney WOW disc to further tweak. 1080i and p look completely natural. 4k Blu-ray Discs look great from my Oppo 203.
Netflix 4k programming is exceptional.
For 4k discs I decided to not replace my “regular” Blu-ray Discs and just purchase new films that I know I will watch again.
What I would do is read on;one reviews from sites such as Rtings.com and CNET as well as others to narrow down what you want. OLED is unbelievable but may not be for everyone due to higher price and possibility of burn in which is not covered under warranty. Personally, I would take the chance. Just avoid watching CNN all day.
Don’t rely on the picture in store because none are calibrated correctly.
Definitely buy a 4k set because that’s where the manufacturers have put their Best fort forward plus most all sets are heading to 4k anyway.
Good luck and take your time.
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Post by gus4emo on Apr 8, 2018 19:26:41 GMT -5
I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C You have to go with what you think will make you happy, try something to go along with that, if you don't like it, return it, my 10 year old got a PS4, I bought him a 43 inch Insignia, 1080p, it looks amazing, I added a 4 year plan just in case, by the way I got it from Best Buy, the whole thing was not even $260
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Post by wilburthegoose on Apr 9, 2018 10:18:54 GMT -5
The "fakeness" in the picture is a due to a "reality creation" setting that almost everybody turns off.
My LG OLED makes even old DVDs look good.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Apr 9, 2018 10:20:03 GMT -5
PS - Watching the Masters yesterday in 4K HDR almost makes 1080i look like 8mm film
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Post by davidl81 on Apr 9, 2018 10:34:19 GMT -5
I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C Don’t take this the wrong way, but not getting a 4K tv because of the DVDs you have would be the same as not buying a HD tv when they first came out because you were worried about how your VHS tapes would look. The DVDs will look the same on the 4K tv then they would on a 1080p model. What will happen though is once you watch something in 4K (or 1080p for that matter) you will quickly notice how poor your DVDs look. It won’t be because of the TV you go with, it will just be a limitation of your source material. I would just go ahead and get the 4K tv now. If funds are not a major concern get the OLED since it will be as close to your plasma as you can get. Turn off the motion flow stuff and you won’t have that fake look to any of your viewings.
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Post by garbulky on Apr 9, 2018 10:55:20 GMT -5
I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C Well Cory, the first obvious thing is SCREEN SIZE. When you go to larger screen size, DVD's start looking iffy - compared to Blu ray and UHD. Their color and grey levels feels more washed out. I would reccomend the OLED. It's really quite excellent in quality. The lack of detail - visible by a blurriness or vagueness is also visible. I'd say that starts at 50 inches and becomes more noticeable at 60 inches. On larger screens, Blu ray's sharpness can be noticeable even for aging eyes depending on vision. For Blu rays check out your local library. You may be surprised how many you can rent out at a time. You also don't have to buy your collection over. You can rent newer Blu rays at redbox for about $2. If you plan to see the same movie six times, you'll be out $12. But honestly, I rarely see a movie more than once - sometimes twice. Either way, it's not going to be the technology that's going to make your DVD's look poor, it's screen size. Once you get to 50 inches and above, you may start to notice things. Having said that, there is nothing quite like the 4k tv's out. They really do outclass stuff that came before. These last few years have been the first time I've noticed a noticeable difference in quality. I reccomend OLED or Samsungs quantum dot tvs. I DEFINITELY reccomend against curved tvs. Some like it, but honestly they give me a headache due to its distortion. What you can benefit from the new tv's (try to get 60inches and above to get their benefits) is that their superior color and ability to portray better dynamics in light levels provide you a picture that's quite a bit closer to looking through a very clear glass at a real life scene. It's stil l not exactly real life, but the dimensionality and color really moves things up a notch. Now it sounds like you don't like that. But it also may be that you've been seeing some tv's which had the "sharpness" turned up to mimic a better display. Versus a display that's actually capable of more realistic reproduction.
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Post by KeithL on Apr 9, 2018 11:18:05 GMT -5
Most modern 4k TVs do an excellent job of upscaling Blu-Ray discs.... so you do in fact get some improvement over watching them on an HD set. You will get much LESS benefit when watching DVDs. However, I would NOT look at it as "having to buy all your movies over again if you buy a new set". First off, depending on how the movie was mastered originally, the DVD may be as good as it's going to look (not everything looks better on Blu-Ray or on 4k). Second, even if there is room for improvements, not all re-masters are good at all (always read the reviews on the one you're considering). Third.... for some movies it just plain doesn't matter all that much. I would buy the new set because it will let you see NEW movies you buy at the best quality possible. Then, as you pull out your old favorites, decide individually if they're worth upgrading, then read the reviews and make sure the new version is really better.... In general, the new 4k sets have gotten so cheap that they cost about the same as you're going to pay for an HD model anyway... so it isn't much of a decision. I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C Don’t take this the wrong way, but not getting a 4K tv because of the DVDs you have would be the same as not buying a HD tv when they first came out because you were worried about how your VHS tapes would look. The DVDs will look the same on the 4K tv then they would on a 1080p model. What will happen though is once you watch something in 4K (or 1080p for that matter) you will quickly notice how poor your DVDs look. It won’t be because of the TV you go with, it will just be a limitation of your source material. I would just go ahead and get the 4K tv now. If funds are not a major concern get the OLED since it will be as close to your plasma as you can get. Turn off the motion flow stuff and you won’t have that fake look to any of your viewings.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Apr 9, 2018 11:44:24 GMT -5
Oppo does a great job at upscaling. I would go for a 4k OLED. Once you see HDR in 4k, forget it. It will also add fake HDR effects to your old movies. You could also "covert" your old fev movies using VUDU Disc to Digital program. There is a low fee, but it will save you tons from rebuying new. www.vudu.com/content/in_home_disc_to_digital.htmlI am currently toying with the idea of purchasing a new television. I have a very old 42" Panny plasma, and it's getting a bit antiquated. Because I have a large collection of DVDs, I am deciding between a 1080p set, to preserve the longevity of my current collection, or going with a 4K for the future. If I go the 4K route, I will be looking at a large repurchase of all of my movies, unless the upscaled picture quality from my new OPPO UDP-203 would be "acceptable". Upscaled DVDs on my current rig look pretty amazing. I do realize it will never approach Blu-ray/1080p, but if it is even close to what I get currently, then I would definitely prefer to go with a 4K OLED for the perfect black and incredible color. I just never liked LCD/LED sets, and was sad to see plasma go by the wayside, but OLED has re-sparked my interest. I have always preferred the look of DVDs over Blu-ray, as the higher resolution movies look more like live video to me than the old DVD format. For those of us in the Over 50 Crowd, my eyes aren't what they once were, so ultimate sharpness isn't as important. I plan on checking things out in person sometime soon, but I figured I would get people's opinion that currently have a 4K set and first-hand knowledge of upscaled DVDs. Thanks for anything you choose to share, C
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