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Post by dsonyay on Apr 9, 2018 9:54:36 GMT -5
Try playing both version .. Throuw headphones on and listen closely.. Ot happens right at start.. Right channel.. Curious to hear results
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Post by DavidR on Apr 9, 2018 11:52:57 GMT -5
I listened this morning to my vinyl I bought a year ago. I listened with two amps and different sets of speakers. I hear no distortion.
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 9, 2018 13:12:04 GMT -5
I listened this morning to my vinyl I bought a year ago. I listened with two amps and different sets of speakers. I hear no distortion. Very possible David and I DO believe you. Streaming is definitely a different venue then vinyl but I do not think it is a speaker issue. IMO. As mention my cousin has Defintive speakers and plays vinyl BUT I did not mention the Definitive's are bookshelf BUT his claims were that it was not as smooth sounding. I myself did not hear it as distortion BUT not as clear as other recordings. Maybe it's the record pressing itself. What is your opinion as to why we are hearing things differently?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 9, 2018 13:39:01 GMT -5
I listened this morning to my vinyl I bought a year ago. I listened with two amps and different sets of speakers. I hear no distortion. Very possible David and I DO believe you. Streaming is definitely a different venue then vinyl but I do not think it is a speaker issue. IMO. As mention my cousin has Defintive speakers and plays vinyl BUT I did not mention the Definitive's are bookshelf BUT his claims were that it was not as smooth sounding. I myself did not hear it as distortion BUT not as clear as other recordings. Maybe it's the record pressing itself. What is your opinion as to why we are hearing things differently? Hope you don’t mind me adding my two cents to your question my friend. This recording has been repressed and recored and remastered more then so many others. I think that it may have something to do with this fact. Perhaps the distortion is on the original and engineers through the years have tried to limit or omit or hide it over the years. Engineering magic, if you will. My LP has only a hint in two places for only a millisecond. Hope this shines a possibility on the subject.
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 9, 2018 13:52:39 GMT -5
Very possible David and I DO believe you. Streaming is definitely a different venue then vinyl but I do not think it is a speaker issue. IMO. As mention my cousin has Defintive speakers and plays vinyl BUT I did not mention the Definitive's are bookshelf BUT his claims were that it was not as smooth sounding. I myself did not hear it as distortion BUT not as clear as other recordings. Maybe it's the record pressing itself. What is your opinion as to why we are hearing things differently? Hope you don’t mind me adding my two cents to your question my friend. This recording has been repressed and recored and remastered more then so many others. I think that it may have something to do with this fact. Perhaps the distortion is on the original and engineers through the years have tried to limit or omit or hide it over the years. Engineering magic, if you will. My LP has only a hint in two places for only a millisecond. Hope this shines a possibility on the subject. Thanks Nick and no problem with another injection of thought. I think your premise may be very well an answer. I just would not believe my 803's were inefficient. As mentioned there was another recording I stream and right now the title does escapes me but I do know it is a old classical recording by Tchaikovsky.
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Post by DavidR on Apr 9, 2018 14:15:20 GMT -5
My album is a year old and is 180 gm Legacy Vinyl. Not sure if that's why.
Nick stated: "My LP has only a hint in two places for only a millisecond. " I thought that maybe I heard this too; but it was so brief. Hard to tell for sure.
Not that I think it matters but: 1st system: Emotiva SA-250 + XSP-1 G2 + AR90 speakers 2nd system: Bob Latino VTA ST-120 + XSP-2 G2 + newly capped AR91 speakers.
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Post by dsonyay on Apr 9, 2018 15:11:01 GMT -5
I dont think it has anything to do with streaming.. I've read dozens of threads on this and everyone experiencing it has reported it on vinyl or CD.. So, more than likely, when I hear it through Tidal and Google Play, I'm hearing a flac or 330mp3 played from one of the many affected albums where the issue resides. Google makes no mention of the source, and Tidal lists 14 possible sources for the album.
I hear it very easily on my end, through any pair of headphones I have, and either my daughter's phone streaming it, my laptop streaming it (through Little Ego) or my wife's phone streaming it.
Tidal streams this album from as many as 14 different labels, so I have no idea which one is playing.
The threads I've read make for interesting reading.
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Post by geeqner on Apr 9, 2018 16:28:42 GMT -5
Is it possible that it could be the positioning of the horn relative to the mic? / could be accentuated with a muted horn or hand-held "wa-wa" mute.
I do not have that particular recording - but I DO know that Miles Davis was prone to a sort-of strange "form" when playing his horn: -on and off the lips at seemingly strange intervals -"playing to the worms" [down at weird angles] instead of straight-out like those of us who were taught to do it "properly" could have been reverbing off studio floor (but then again, Jazz is about breaking the rules....)
Maybe somebody is blowing-out the "spit-valves" (little tappets that allow condensation that gets trapped in the bends of the horn to be drained) and it got picked-up?
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Post by klinemj on Apr 9, 2018 16:35:16 GMT -5
I love this Miles. I hear a lot of things going on with it, but I'd not call any of it distortion. The sounds that Miles and Coltrane got out of their horns was amazing. I was listening to track 1 with a friend who had never heard it, and the sounds Coltrane made as he first came in blew him away. So strong, so distinct. There are clearly some sounds which some might call "distorted", but I chalk them up to purposeful overdriving of the instrument itself. And, that's hard to reproduce well.
This recording is one of my "go-to" recordings for listening to any new hear for just that reason. Some can capture the overdrive perfectly. Some...sounds flat and distorted.
Mark
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Post by dsonyay on Apr 9, 2018 21:31:28 GMT -5
I love this Miles. I hear a lot of things going on with it, but I'd not call any of it distortion. The sounds that Miles and Coltrane got out of their horns was amazing. I was listening to track 1 with a friend who had never heard it, and the sounds Coltrane made as he first came in blew him away. So strong, so distinct. There are clearly some sounds which some might call "distorted", but I chalk them up to purposeful overdriving of the instrument itself. And, that's hard to reproduce well. This recording is one of my "go-to" recordings for listening to any new hear for just that reason. Some can capture the overdrive perfectly. Some...sounds flat and distorted. Mark Very interesting! I have no idea what an instrument is capable of doing especially when played by someone with the kind of status like Miles. I'd love to have a listening session with a jazz musician one day as music like this is played.. I'd really enjoy learning more about what goes into this music and what to Listen for, or why it's special.. Etc. David
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