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Post by Bonzo on Jun 30, 2018 17:32:19 GMT -5
You should really think about getting more subs. There is no way 4 subs is truly filling your custom space. 🤣😂 4 18’s is perfect imho. Unreal extension and rezor flat response at all seats. But more couldn’t hurt  I was just teasing you. I can't imagine how much punch and boom you have in your room. Must be amazing. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jun 30, 2018 17:33:38 GMT -5
I'm more surprised by how many models they make. Onkyo is ridiculous. But wow, why do they make so many models? They must have every $25 price point covered. I've never understood why companies release so many products like that but there must be some reason and profit behind it. I can understand having like maybe 10 or so, but that list is just insane. |
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Post by musicfan on Jun 30, 2018 17:56:44 GMT -5
4 18’s is perfect imho. Unreal extension and rezor flat response at all seats. But more couldn’t hurt I was just teasing you. I can't imagine how much punch and boom you have in your room. Must be amazing. I know you were Yeah I’m pretty pleased |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 30, 2018 18:46:04 GMT -5
I'm more surprised by how many models they make. Onkyo is ridiculous. But wow, why do they make so many models? They must have every $25 price point covered. I've never understood why companies release so many products like that but there must be some reason and profit behind it. It doesn't make much sense, and often the differences are so minor as to be irrelevant. This happens in a LOT of electronic products...AVR's, TV's, etc. I was once told that companies make special products just for specific companies that seem like other products on the surface but are missing many key features. These often show up on Black Friday and drive really low prices at...for example, Walmart... So, you buy it thinking you got a great deal, but it's really missing some key features of the one you could have bought elsewhere for just a little more. I had this with a Sony TV I was going to buy at Walmart but bought elsewhere instead. Mark |
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Post by hemster on Jun 30, 2018 19:09:23 GMT -5
Plan to install 4 ceiling speakers but it's over 130oF in the attic in the summer, so I'll wait until the winter.
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 30, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
Plan to install 4 ceiling speakers but it's over 130 oF in the attic in the summer, so I'll wait until the winter. Have you decided on the speakers (brand/model) or still researching? |
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 1, 2018 0:40:30 GMT -5
Plan to install 4 ceiling speakers but it's over 130 oF in the attic in the summer, so I'll wait until the winter. Have you decided on the speakers (brand/model) or still researching? I wonder how big of a difference the in ceiling speakers make (as far as different brands) in an Atmos setup? I have 8” monoprice Alpha speakers and really the amount of sound that comes from the in ceiling “channels” is fairly small. I cannot see any reason to buy more expensive speakers that I dont think would sound any different. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 1, 2018 1:47:16 GMT -5
Plan to install 4 ceiling speakers but it's over 130 oF in the attic in the summer, so I'll wait until the winter. Have you decided on the speakers (brand/model) or still researching? Good question, what would you use to match the Paradigm’s you have? Is it really that important to match or just have a wide bandwidth speaker of questionable expense? How much money is too much or just a waist to place into the ceiling. Are the Atmos speakers that important? If so, how important? Am I asking questions without sleep? |
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Post by musicfan on Jul 1, 2018 6:00:54 GMT -5
Have you decided on the speakers (brand/model) or still researching? Good question, what would you use to match the Paradigm’s you have? Is it really that important to match or just have a wide bandwidth speaker of questionable expense? How much money is too much or just a waist to place into the ceiling. Are the Atmos speakers that important? If so, how important? Am I asking questions without sleep? Since I first installed I had Klipsch quintets up there. Then changed to diy volt 6’s The upgraded speaker made a HUGE difference. And as sound mixers get better and better at using it the need for better speakers will Be more important. Think of just surround speakers 20 years ago you could get away with cheap small surrounds. Not anymore |
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Post by bootman on Jul 1, 2018 15:34:21 GMT -5
Most mainstream users will experience Atmos via a soundbar or via Atmos dedicated speakers. (or even on their cell phones)
But properly placing ceiling speakers will not be the norm for most consumers since the logistics are more involved than a standard 5.1.
BTW Mainstream users we are not.
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Post by Loop 7 on Jul 1, 2018 19:43:02 GMT -5
I have no plans for anything beyond 7.1 but absolutely relish every Atmos experience in commercial theaters.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 1, 2018 19:54:24 GMT -5
I have no plans for anything beyond 7.1 but absolutely relish every Atmos experience in commercial theaters. After having it I would say it’s very fun and great when you find the right disc. Now I don’t think it makes sense in most applications , ie I wouldn’t install it in a living room unless it was easy to run the wires for the in ceiling speakers. I think it’s something that will do best when installed in dedicated theather rooms. |
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Post by petew on Jul 1, 2018 20:13:59 GMT -5
Ok all of you who have Atmos, please help me out.
I have a dedicated 7.1 theater space currently under reconstruction and .4 Atmos install will be easy. I'd need to add four DIYSG Volt 10 coax speakers and four channels of amplification that might run $1,200 or so. I need a new processor anyway and can wait until late '18 or early '19 to purchase.
My listening is about 50/50 music and movies. I am not buying discs for the most part, and probably will not get a UHD disc player. All of my content is either streamed from rips of DVD or Bluray with Plex; or iTunes running on the HTPC. Projection is a JVC 4k eShift machine.
Here's the big question:
What is the Dolby Surround Upmixer going to do for me with my 5.1, 7.1 and 2.0 content? Is Atmos going to bring enough to the table for the cost and hassle of installing?
Thanks
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Post by musicfan on Jul 1, 2018 21:09:40 GMT -5
Ok all of you who have Atmos, please help me out. I have a dedicated 7.1 theater space currently under reconstruction and .4 Atmos install will be easy. I'd need to add four DIYSG Volt 10 coax speakers and four channels of amplification that might run $1,200 or so. I need a new processor anyway and can wait until late '18 or early '19 to purchase. My listening is about 50/50 music and movies. I am not buying discs for the most part, and probably will not get a UHD disc player. All of my content is either streamed from rips of DVD or Bluray with Plex; or iTunes running on the HTPC. Projection is a JVC 4k eShift machine. Here's the big question: What is the Dolby Surround Upmixer going to do for me with my 5.1, 7.1 and 2.0 content? Is Atmos going to bring enough to the table for the cost and hassle of installing? Thanks The upmixer is actually amazing at what it does. That being said only you can determine if it’s worth the cost and hassle. But if you were to ask me it would be a resounding yes! |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 1, 2018 21:15:58 GMT -5
So, in this little poll so far,
36 out of 50 after 6 years are NOWHERE with ATMOS.
A very small sampling but an indication that this is no world beater.
Bill
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Post by klinemj on Jul 1, 2018 21:34:17 GMT -5
So, in this little poll so far, 36 out of 50 after 6 years are NOWHERE with ATMOS. A very small sampling but an indication that this is no world beater. Bill Or...there's enough skepticism over what it will really end up being for home that many are on the fence (reference the discussions here recently about "ATMOS" discs being released but only playing through a limited # of channels for folks who have even more channels of gear in place...). That's where I am...I will likely end up w/Atmos, but...if the only channels that play are 4 more than I already have w/my 7.1 system - I certainly won't pay for more gear than needed to support that. Mark |
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 1, 2018 21:49:44 GMT -5
I think if people were truly honest about it, I think their particular ability to impliment it easily is a huge drawback. Many houses just don't allow for easy installation. Period. That comes first. Then money and effort comes second. I'd go out on a limb and say if every house could impliment ceiling speakers easily, a lot more enthusiasts would jump on the Atmos train. Not everyone, but a LOT more. Just my opinion, but this is the biggest drawback. Which leads to my other opinion, that 7.1.6 will be the end all for almost everyone. I say 6 and not 4 because a rectangular room fits 6 better than 4. After 7.1.6, it will be a complete and utter niche.
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Post by graphic on Jul 1, 2018 21:57:45 GMT -5
I’ve had a 5.1.4 ATMOS setup for nearly two years, with ceiling speakers and a projector. I find it much less’directional’ than my former 7.1 system, with more ‘volume’, in the sense of room filling. But there are more speakers, you say. As many others have said, it’s a rather subtle effect in many cases. To answer petew, I’d do it just because it’s here now and you can do it. Who knows what may come next, and it doesn’t look like ATMOS is going away, especially if you have moved to 4K.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 1, 2018 22:10:37 GMT -5
Ok all of you who have Atmos, please help me out. I have a dedicated 7.1 theater space currently under reconstruction and .4 Atmos install will be easy. I'd need to add four DIYSG Volt 10 coax speakers and four channels of amplification that might run $1,200 or so. I need a new processor anyway and can wait until late '18 or early '19 to purchase. My listening is about 50/50 music and movies. I am not buying discs for the most part, and probably will not get a UHD disc player. All of my content is either streamed from rips of DVD or Bluray with Plex; or iTunes running on the HTPC. Projection is a JVC 4k eShift machine. Here's the big question: What is the Dolby Surround Upmixer going to do for me with my 5.1, 7.1 and 2.0 content? Is Atmos going to bring enough to the table for the cost and hassle of installing? Thanks If you are doing a remodel I would recommend installing Atmos. IMO the difference was larger than going from 5.1 to 7.1, not drastically more but more none the less. Processor wise is where it gets a little tougher. For a 7.1.4 install I think the XMC Gen 3 is going to be perfect, but when it actually comes out is another question. You can go Marantz as the 8802a is a great value now that the 8805 is out. I’ve seen refurbished 8802a’s for $1800 online and it does Atmos 7.1.4, 4K HDR and everything else you could want. On the upmixer I am very impressed by it. It does not go overboard with overhead effects just to do it, but it really seems to place things well in 3D space. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jul 2, 2018 0:06:07 GMT -5
So, in this little poll so far, 36 out of 50 after 6 years are NOWHERE with ATMOS. A very small sampling but an indication that this is no world beater. Yeah, I was really curious hence the poll. I wonder at what rate commercial Atmos cinemas will be constructed/renovated? We have a few in the SF bay area but will 50% of theaters have an Atmos room in 5 years? |
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