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Post by davidl81 on Jul 14, 2018 18:57:25 GMT -5
Guys,
We are building a pool and I am looking to add another set of outdoor speakers to my zone 2 setup. Right now I am running two 8 ohm in ceiling speakers in my patio. I am looking to add two more 8 ohm outdoor speakers. My issue is that right now I am using the last two channels of my A-700 on those two channels for the patio speakers. Do you think I would have issues running two 8 ohm speakers per channel (4 ohm when in parallel) on the A-700, or should I just buy another small two channel amp (A-150?) for the new outdoor speakers. I have not pick out specific outdoor speakers but I’ll be buying something in the $300 a pair range. I don’t need a rock concert outside, I just want to hear music over the hot tub bubblers.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2018 19:27:30 GMT -5
According to the amp's specs, you should be fine running 2X 8-ohm speakers per channel.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 14, 2018 19:44:54 GMT -5
According to the amp's specs, you should be fine running 2X 8-ohm speakers per channel. Yeah looks like I’ll be okay at 4 ohms. I just have never really ran two sets of speakers off of one channel and I was just making sure I did not look over anything. |
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 14, 2018 19:51:33 GMT -5
Also if anyone has a good recommendation for a pair of outdoor speakers in the $500 a pair retail range let me know. I’ve never really looked into them too much, but I honestly don’t know if one manufacturer is that much better then the other.
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Post by kybourbon on Jul 14, 2018 21:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on Jul 14, 2018 21:32:46 GMT -5
I have a set of Bose 901 VI that would be perfect t9 fill the outdoors with wonderful sound! 👍🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 15, 2018 0:48:10 GMT -5
These are exactly what I was looking at! |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 15, 2018 0:51:35 GMT -5
These are exactly what I was looking at! The next 10 house down the street would like the Bose 901’s LOL |
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Post by leonski on Jul 16, 2018 12:00:21 GMT -5
Since the 4 speakers, the 2 new and 2 existing will presumably be 'hearable' at the same time, have you given thought to timbre matching? Speakers which sound substantially different will maybe be distracting?
If whoever made your existing pair in the patio also makes something weatherproof for outdoor use, THAT'S where I'd start.
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 16, 2018 14:30:40 GMT -5
Since the 4 speakers, the 2 new and 2 existing will presumably be 'hearable' at the same time, have you given thought to timbre matching? Speakers which sound substantially different will maybe be distracting? If whoever made your existing pair in the patio also makes something weatherproof for outdoor use, THAT'S where I'd start. The thought had occurred to me, but just for outside music while kids are playing in the pool I doubt I will really hear that big of a difference. The in ceiling speakers are a very inexpensive pair of Klipsch speakers (something like $70 for the pair at Frys). I have no idea if the outdoor Klipsch speakers would timber match or not really. My biggest concern is that the volume levels of the speakers are close to the same. I'm worried that the bigger out door speakers may need a little more power to get loud, and with the in ceiling speakers on the same channel I may over power those speakers before I get the bigger speakers up to a louder level. But most likely they will all sound fine either way. |
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Post by leonski on Jul 16, 2018 15:19:55 GMT -5
outdoors tends to 'eat up' power since there are FEW if ANY reflecting surfaces to 'reinforce' the sound. Bass is a problem, too, so you can forget THAT too.
If level matching is a concern, you can 'pad' the louder speaker with maybe a 1 ohm resistor to bring it down. Experimentation is in order and you'll need 5watt or better. Maybe 10 watt?
Check sensitivity 'spec', which while not really any more reliable than any OTHER spec, will give you a starting place. Higher sensitivity on the 'free air' speakers is ok, since that sound is not going to be
reflected back, anyway.
Some additional switching might be in order, too. So that you can shut off pool speakers when you want some quiet sound in the patio area......and vice-versa.
Check with neighbors on 'annoyance' level at some point. Or convince them you're partly DEAF
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 16, 2018 15:32:33 GMT -5
outdoors tends to 'eat up' power since there are FEW if ANY reflecting surfaces to 'reinforce' the sound. Bass is a problem, too, so you can forget THAT too. If level matching is a concern, you can 'pad' the louder speaker with maybe a 1 ohm resistor to bring it down. Experimentation is in order and you'll need 5watt or better. Maybe 10 watt? Check sensitivity 'spec', which while not really any more reliable than any OTHER spec, will give you a starting place. Higher sensitivity on the 'free air' speakers is ok, since that sound is not going to be reflected back, anyway. Some additional switching might be in order, too. So that you can shut off pool speakers when you want some quiet sound in the patio area......and vice-versa. Check with neighbors on 'annoyance' level at some point. Or convince them you're partly DEAF The more I think about it I do think I want to be able to control each set of speakers independent of each other. My A-700 will be full once the RMC-1 comes out, but for now I still have three open channels on it (My SR-7009 powers two of my surround speakers because for some reason it won't pre-out all 11 channels it makes me use the internal amp for two of them) so I can run the two new outdoor speakers off of my A-700 as well and run them on Zone 3. This will allow me to control both sets of speakers independent from one another. Of course doing this will lead to issues if I do in fact buy the RMC-1 in the future. Best I can tell the RMC-1 only has Zone 2 outputs, no Zone 3, so we will have to cross that bridge once we get there. |
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Post by adaboy on Jul 16, 2018 15:53:20 GMT -5
outdoors tends to 'eat up' power since there are FEW if ANY reflecting surfaces to 'reinforce' the sound. Bass is a problem, too, so you can forget THAT too. If level matching is a concern, you can 'pad' the louder speaker with maybe a 1 ohm resistor to bring it down. Experimentation is in order and you'll need 5watt or better. Maybe 10 watt? Check sensitivity 'spec', which while not really any more reliable than any OTHER spec, will give you a starting place. Higher sensitivity on the 'free air' speakers is ok, since that sound is not going to be reflected back, anyway. Some additional switching might be in order, too. So that you can shut off pool speakers when you want some quiet sound in the patio area......and vice-versa. Check with neighbors on 'annoyance' level at some point. Or convince them you're partly DEAF The more I think about it I do think I want to be able to control each set of speakers independent of each other. My A-700 will be full once the RMC-1 comes out, but for now I still have three open channels on it (My SR-7009 powers two of my surround speakers because for some reason it won't pre-out all 11 channels it makes me use the internal amp for two of them) so I can run the two new outdoor speakers off of my A-700 as well and run them on Zone 3. This will allow me to control both sets of speakers independent from one another. Of course doing this will lead to issues if I do in fact buy the RMC-1 in the future. Best I can tell the RMC-1 only has Zone 2 outputs, no Zone 3, so we will have to cross that bridge once we get there. You could also get a small speaker selector so that it can protect your gear and give you some flexibility. |
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 16, 2018 16:01:58 GMT -5
The more I think about it I do think I want to be able to control each set of speakers independent of each other. My A-700 will be full once the RMC-1 comes out, but for now I still have three open channels on it (My SR-7009 powers two of my surround speakers because for some reason it won't pre-out all 11 channels it makes me use the internal amp for two of them) so I can run the two new outdoor speakers off of my A-700 as well and run them on Zone 3. This will allow me to control both sets of speakers independent from one another. Of course doing this will lead to issues if I do in fact buy the RMC-1 in the future. Best I can tell the RMC-1 only has Zone 2 outputs, no Zone 3, so we will have to cross that bridge once we get there. You could also get a small speaker selector so that it can protect your gear and give you some flexibility. That is a thought, but location of it becomes an issue. The audio equipment is all in my upstairs theater room and I will control everything from my phone/iPad using the Marantz App and Spotify. I added a wifi extender and it works remarkably well to control everything. I can open Spotify from my phone then have it connect to the AVR upstairs. I then use the Marantz app to turn on Zone 2 (I also turn off the main zone since there is no point for it to play). I can control the volume and song selections form the outside at that point. If I went Zone 3 I could just turn on that zone with the app as well. A physical speaker selector would mean I would have to walk to the theater room and manually select which speakers to play. I don't think I would have a convenient place to mount one outdoors. |
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Post by leonski on Jul 16, 2018 17:58:22 GMT -5
You could also get a small speaker selector so that it can protect your gear and give you some flexibility. That is a thought, but location of it becomes an issue. The audio equipment is all in my upstairs theater room and I will control everything from my phone/iPad using the Marantz App and Spotify. I added a wifi extender and it works remarkably well to control everything. I can open Spotify from my phone then have it connect to the AVR upstairs. I then use the Marantz app to turn on Zone 2 (I also turn off the main zone since there is no point for it to play). I can control the volume and song selections form the outside at that point. If I went Zone 3 I could just turn on that zone with the app as well. A physical speaker selector would mean I would have to walk to the theater room and manually select which speakers to play. I don't think I would have a convenient place to mount one outdoors. Since you probably won't 'mess' with it that much, up under the Eave would be cool, wouldn't it? Kids couldn't get to it, and you'd need a 1 or 2 step helper...... |
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Post by davidl81 on Jul 21, 2018 16:24:30 GMT -5
So as an update I made several purchases that will help with the outdoor setup and help in the theater room.
1) Bought a Marantz 8802a to replace my SR-7009. I can get 4K and DTS-X in the media room and it gives me independent HDMI zone 2 outputs
2). Bought the Def Tech outdoor speakers
3). Bought an A-300 for the def techs to run off of.
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