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Post by millst on Dec 20, 2018 10:41:47 GMT -5
Calling it just an interface change implies Emotiva shouldn't bother supporting it on the XMC-1 (thread topic).
-tm
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Post by musicfan on Dec 20, 2018 11:07:48 GMT -5
Calling it just an interface change implies Emotiva shouldn't bother supporting it on the XMC-1 (thread topic). -tm i have dirac 2.1 and from all accounts including my own..it is only an interface change AT THIS POINT. what has been speculated is the ability to add modules...there is nothing to prove anything beneath the surface has changed....and even dirac hasnt denied or confirmed the same. its more a precursor change im not making excuses. I think emo has dropped the ball as usual
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Post by millst on Dec 20, 2018 11:15:50 GMT -5
www.dirac.com/news/2017/12/7/dirac-research-to-introduce-the-next-generation-of-its-acclaimed-dirac-live-platform-at-ces-2018That is not at all the impression that I got from their press release. Maybe the marketing department ran amok or things didn't make the final cut. Since you have it, can you comment on some specifics? 1) There is "an even more advanced algorithm that ensures improved performance" 2) The "new version also analyzes speakers in pairs. By doing so, the algorithm ensures that the pair’s phase responses are matched to each other." 3) It also mentions the underpinnings have changed, which will permit future enhancements not possible in the old software (modules in specific). I believe flax has made this comment somewhere, too. Sounds like we agree -tm
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Post by musicfan on Dec 20, 2018 12:15:49 GMT -5
1) no way to prove this unfortunately...there is no way to measure or "see" whats going on under the hood 2) Not true. they are still "pinged" individually. however, when setting the target curve...they are grouped together and you cant (from what i know) ungroup them. this grouping can be done in Dirac 1 as well...so nothing new there... 3) I can only go by their press release....which i really feel is THE major thing that has changed other than UI ...the ability for these to be purchased and "added" as the user sees fit here is the press release from Flavio: diracdocs.com//Dirac_Live_2.x_bass_management.pdf
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Post by millst on Dec 20, 2018 12:26:22 GMT -5
That's pretty lame. Wonder if those features are late or dropped. I don't think Dirac is big enough for there to be a loose cannon in the marketing department making things up...
-tm
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Post by flak on Dec 24, 2018 6:35:34 GMT -5
Indeed the measurements work the same in Dirac Live 2.x but the algorithm is different.. it has all the necessary data and can compute and predict the outcome. In the analysis part the speakers are considered pairwise where appropriate in order to make sure that phase coherency is not lost on absolute phase improvement. As a result filters are not compatible. Flavio
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Post by rogersch on Dec 24, 2018 8:28:30 GMT -5
Indeed the measurements work the same in Dirac Live 2.x but the algorithm is different.. it has all the necessary data and can compute and predict the outcome. In the analysis part the speakers are considered pairwise where appropriate in order to make sure that phase coherency is not lost on absolute phase improvement. As a result filters are not compatible. Flavio So this means that if, hopefully in the near future, Emotiva will support DIRAC 2.0, you don't need to re-run the measurement but only re-run the calculation. That would be great
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Post by flak on Dec 24, 2018 9:10:51 GMT -5
Indeed the measurements work the same in Dirac Live 2.x but the algorithm is different.. it has all the necessary data and can compute and predict the outcome. In the analysis part the speakers are considered pairwise where appropriate in order to make sure that phase coherency is not lost on absolute phase improvement. As a result filters are not compatible. Flavio So this means that if, hopefully in the near future, Emotiva will support DIRAC 2.0, you don't need to re-run the measurement but only re-run the calculation. That would be great I'm sorry, no.. new algorithm as well as new projects.
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Post by petew on Dec 24, 2018 9:57:17 GMT -5
From another thread: >>> LINK <<<We are currently in discussions with Dirac about their new software version. As of now we plan to have their new product (Dirac 2) incorporated into our new product (the RMC-1).
I don't have any definite information beyond that at the moment.
As far as we know the current Dirac Live LE works just fine on Windows 10 (as well as Windows 7, and some variants of Windows 8/8.1). It also works fine on the Yosemite version of the Apple O/S. It has problems with Sierra, and High Sierra (it can sometimes be coaxed into working - but not consistently). So far we haven't tested it with Mojave (and we aren't specifying it to work with anything past Yosemite.) Because Dirac 2 is essentially different software, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work with the current "XMC-1 Dirac Software Engine" that resides in the XMC-1 firmware. I don't know at this point whether it may eventually be possible to update the XMC-1 to work with the new version - or whether it would be impractical from a hardware point of view.
At this point we absolutely ARE NOT promising that the XMC-1 will ever be updated to run Dirac 2 - but I would not absolutely rule it out either. (It leaves you with Dirac Live for Emotiva, which works fine on the XMC-1, on current Windows Computers, and on the Apple computers that were current when it was released.)
I was told by Dirac that their new software probably is not able to work with the Xmc-1...that is Dirac V2. Keith can you confirm or substantiate this? The old Emotiva Dirac le software seems to not like running on win 10 or Mac OS Mojave either.so where does this leave us Xmc-1 owners now?
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Post by springwright on Dec 24, 2018 17:29:35 GMT -5
From another thread: >>> LINK <<<We are currently in discussions with Dirac about their new software version. As of now we plan to have their new product (Dirac 2) incorporated into our new product (the RMC-1).
I don't have any definite information beyond that at the moment.
As far as we know the current Dirac Live LE works just fine on Windows 10 (as well as Windows 7, and some variants of Windows 8/8.1). It also works fine on the Yosemite version of the Apple O/S. It has problems with Sierra, and High Sierra (it can sometimes be coaxed into working - but not consistently). So far we haven't tested it with Mojave (and we aren't specifying it to work with anything past Yosemite.) Because Dirac 2 is essentially different software, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work with the current "XMC-1 Dirac Software Engine" that resides in the XMC-1 firmware. I don't know at this point whether it may eventually be possible to update the XMC-1 to work with the new version - or whether it would be impractical from a hardware point of view.
At this point we absolutely ARE NOT promising that the XMC-1 will ever be updated to run Dirac 2 - but I would not absolutely rule it out either. (It leaves you with Dirac Live for Emotiva, which works fine on the XMC-1, on current Windows Computers, and on the Apple computers that were current when it was released.)
From Dirac's website: “Our modular approach to the future of Dirac Live will allow our platform to forever be equipped with the last and greatest in room correction functionality,” continued Thorin. “As new features are developed, we can efficiently deliver them to the market as ‘Dirac Live Modules’, so users can customize their platforms based on individual requirements and use-cases. Home theater systems aren't one-size-fits-all so neither should be their room correction solutions.” It would be nice to know what exactly is the limiting factor with Dirac 2's compatibility with the present XMC-1 platform vs. Arcam's. Is it the chip(s) Emotiva used or a lack of horsepower? Apparently Arcam figured it out so that their processors could be upgraded (at additional cost to the end user). I sure hope that the powers that be at Emotiva R&D find a way to make it possible to upgrade the XMC-1 since they made "upgradeability" a major selling point. Don't need a RMC-1 and I ain't buying an XMC-2...............
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Post by musicfan on Dec 24, 2018 20:20:22 GMT -5
From Dirac's website: “Our modular approach to the future of Dirac Live will allow our platform to forever be equipped with the last and greatest in room correction functionality,” continued Thorin. “As new features are developed, we can efficiently deliver them to the market as ‘Dirac Live Modules’, so users can customize their platforms based on individual requirements and use-cases. Home theater systems aren't one-size-fits-all so neither should be their room correction solutions.” It would be nice to know what exactly is the limiting factor with Dirac 2's compatibility with the present XMC-1 platform vs. Arcam's. Is it the chip(s) Emotiva used or a lack of horsepower? Apparently Arcam figured it out so that their processors could be upgraded (at additional cost to the end user). I sure hope that the powers that be at Emotiva R&D find a way to make it possible to upgrade the XMC-1 since they made "upgradeability" a major selling point. Don't need a RMC-1 and I ain't buying an XMC-2............... The NAD upgrade was free. Not sure why the xmc can’t do it Also troubling the RMC “plans” to use Dirac 2.
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Post by millst on Dec 25, 2018 10:11:07 GMT -5
I’d be shocked if anything is required but software updates. Obviously, not Emotiva’s strong suit. Why dedicate those resources to old products when you won’t generate new revenue? At least with the HDMI upgrade, there was a HW upgrade to help cover dev costs.
-tm
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