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Post by malba2366 on Aug 10, 2018 18:18:14 GMT -5
Those who claim that the XMC-1 is vastly superior to the D&M flagship products are either clueless or blind/deaf fanboys. The 8802a and 8500 are highly competent processors that put out sound quality that rivals some very high end equipment. Audyssey is the weak point. Street prices (after discounts) on the 8500 puts it about $1000 below the RMC-1. The user experience on the Marantz will be much better due to their terrific UI, and relatively bug free software which is quickly fixed when flaws are discovered. Dirac is a big benefit for RMC-1, otherwise sound/video quality will probably be on par with Marantz. I am not trying to put down the RMC-1, but it is not a night and day choice as many on here profess.
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 10, 2018 19:49:50 GMT -5
Those who claim that the XMC-1 is vastly superior to the D&M flagship products are either clueless or blind/deaf fanboys. The 8802a and 8500 are highly competent processors that put out sound quality that rivals some very high end equipment. Audyssey is the weak point. Street prices (after discounts) on the 8500 puts it about $1000 below the RMC-1. The user experience on the Marantz will be much better due to their terrific UI, and relatively bug free software which is quickly fixed when flaws are discovered. Dirac is a big benefit for RMC-1, otherwise sound/video quality will probably be on par with Marantz. I am not trying to put down the RMC-1, but it is not a night and day choice as many on here profess. Its hard to say if you are 100% correct here, or not, considering the RMC doesn't exist, and the 2 Marantz's do. But I do totally get what you say. Totally. I will say I'm a bit sick of people coming on here and basically bashing the Marantz offerings. There are trade offs on both sides of the fence. Anyone saying the XMC is a perfect machine has drank too much koolaide. Its not. The RMC doesn't exist, but one can safely bet it will have glitches, perhaps glitches galore, and perhaps, like the XMC, some glitches that can't be fixed. It will most likely be awesome. But ya know, some would say the same about the 8802a which got S&Vs 2015 product of the year while they didn't even mention the XMC for year end awards. Crickets. The fact is the 8802a, 8805, XMC, RMC, and the Anthem 60 are all fine pieces. They all do (or will) have different strengths and weaknesses, kind of like speakers, so which one you chose is up to what one wants, and in many cases, what one can afford.
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Post by tchaik on Aug 10, 2018 20:19:03 GMT -5
So I have a Marantz AV8802a after upgrading from the SR7009. I can tell you without a doubt the AV8802 is in a whole different league than the SR7009. So if you upgraded a lower level Marantz to the XMC then it is not a true comparison IMO. I personally was waiting for the RMC (I don’t need 9.2.6, but do need 7.2.4), but with the delays I went with the AV8802a as a stop gap measure. I picked up an open box on eBay for $1700 and it is a great value. So much so that I really doubt I get the RMC anymore and I may sell my 40% off card to re coup some of my cost on the 8802. I do admit I have never used DIRAC and I may be missing out on some things, but I am very happy with my 8802 now. a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I wish i was in a position to try out some other pre-pros too. just not in the cards....... waiting on the xmc-2 or gen 3 or whatever. until then (having sold my xmc) I will have to rough it in stereo. have owned Marantz stuff over the years. always quality gear. tchaik.........
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Post by novisnick on Aug 10, 2018 20:30:37 GMT -5
So I have a Marantz AV8802a after upgrading from the SR7009. I can tell you without a doubt the AV8802 is in a whole different league than the SR7009. So if you upgraded a lower level Marantz to the XMC then it is not a true comparison IMO. I personally was waiting for the RMC (I don’t need 9.2.6, but do need 7.2.4), but with the delays I went with the AV8802a as a stop gap measure. I picked up an open box on eBay for $1700 and it is a great value. So much so that I really doubt I get the RMC anymore and I may sell my 40% off card to re coup some of my cost on the 8802. I do admit I have never used DIRAC and I may be missing out on some things, but I am very happy with my 8802 now. a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I wish i was in a position to try out some other pre-pros too. just not in the cards....... waiting on the xmc-2 or gen 3 or whatever. until then (having sold my xmc) I will have to rough it in stereo. have owned Marantz stuff over the years. always quality gear. tchaik......... My friend, why do without superior two channel audio? WHY? Do like myself or Mark and spring for a newtwork player and a DAC. Couldn’t be happier. I too had sold my XMC-1 in anticipation of their new prepro. Now its not coming for some time IMHO so i sprang for the upgrade. Ive owned a Yamaha 3020 since 2012 and it still runs perfectly for 7.2 HT, Ive even had it set up for a few years as an 11.4 HT. Both configurations rocked. See Marks and my thread on these players.
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 11, 2018 0:25:05 GMT -5
Get a Pioneer.
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Post by creimes on Aug 11, 2018 0:44:36 GMT -5
This one here
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Post by wilburthegoose on Aug 11, 2018 6:50:00 GMT -5
Exactly - XMC-1 has much better audio quality than the Marantz/Denon products I used to own. And the V3 video board is producing perfect video, including 4k formats.
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Post by creimes on Aug 11, 2018 11:01:44 GMT -5
Those who claim that the XMC-1 is vastly superior to the D&M flagship products are either clueless or blind/deaf fanboys. The 8802a and 8500 are highly competent processors that put out sound quality that rivals some very high end equipment. Audyssey is the weak point. Street prices (after discounts) on the 8500 puts it about $1000 below the RMC-1. The user experience on the Marantz will be much better due to their terrific UI, and relatively bug free software which is quickly fixed when flaws are discovered. Dirac is a big benefit for RMC-1, otherwise sound/video quality will probably be on par with Marantz. I am not trying to put down the RMC-1, but it is not a night and day choice as many on here profess. Its hard to say if you are 100% correct here, or not, considering the RMC doesn't exist, and the 2 Marantz's do. But I do totally get what you say. Totally. I will say I'm a bit sick of people coming on here and basically bashing the Marantz offerings. There are trade offs on both sides of the fence. Anyone saying the XMC is a perfect machine has drank too much koolaide. Its not. The RMC doesn't exist, but one can safely bet it will have glitches, perhaps glitches galore, and perhaps, like the XMC, some glitches that can't be fixed. It will most likely be awesome. But ya know, some would say the same about the 8802a which got S&Vs 2015 product of the year while they didn't even mention the XMC for year end awards. Crickets. The fact is the 8802a, 8805, XMC, RMC, and the Anthem 60 are all fine pieces. They all do (or will) have different strengths and weaknesses, kind of like speakers, so which one you chose is up to what one wants, and in many cases, what one can afford. Having never heard the flagship(most expensive) Marantz offerings or something like the RMC-1 for obvious reasons I can say my Sherbourn PT-7020C4 did sound noticeably better for 2ch music compared to my Marantz AV7702, but hey those are my ears right, maybe some people like music that sounds boring and less alive but as I mentioned I can't afford something like an AV8805. For some it wouldn't matter as they may have a 2ch system and a HT system where as I need both in one, movies have never been as noticeable for me between different pre/pro's but for 2ch duties it is much more noticeable in my room in which one sounds better to me, I don't want to come off as bashing marantz in general it was just disappointing hearing music through the AV7702 considering the given price tag when new. Cheers, Chad
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 11, 2018 11:11:44 GMT -5
Two Channel Rules!!!™
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Post by creimes on Aug 11, 2018 11:36:30 GMT -5
For music I agree, for movies not a chance !!!
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Post by wilburthegoose on Aug 11, 2018 13:00:36 GMT -5
I was a Denon/Marantz fan for years. In fact, I'm still running a Denon in my home office running Emotiva monitors.
I bought the XMC-1 with every intent of sending it back. It's still running. And I am FAR from an Emotiva fanboy - I've had so many issues with their customer service people that I've wanted to throw in the towel. That said, they're still better than Denon/Marantz's customer service (if you can actually get a hold of them).
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 11, 2018 13:37:35 GMT -5
For music I agree, for movies not a chance !!! Movies and its associated hardware are just gimmicks.
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Post by creimes on Aug 11, 2018 13:47:24 GMT -5
For music I agree, for movies not a chance !!! Movies and its associated hardware are just gimmicks. Entertainment usually is haha, but I do enjoy it
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 11, 2018 13:57:50 GMT -5
For music I agree, for movies not a chance !!! Movies and its associated hardware are just gimmicks. The exact same thing could be said for a huge percentage of music. And in reverse, there are some very fine movies and TV shows that use surround sound to great effect.
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Post by tchaik on Aug 11, 2018 13:58:58 GMT -5
a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I wish i was in a position to try out some other pre-pros too. just not in the cards....... waiting on the xmc-2 or gen 3 or whatever. until then (having sold my xmc) I will have to rough it in stereo. have owned Marantz stuff over the years. always quality gear. tchaik......... My friend, why do without superior two channel audio? WHY? Do like myself or Mark and spring for a newtwork player and a DAC. Couldn’t be happier. I too had sold my XMC-1 in anticipation of their new prepro. Now its not coming for some time IMHO so i sprang for the upgrade. Ive owned a Yamaha 3020 since 2012 and it still runs perfectly for 7.2 HT, Ive even had it set up for a few years as an 11.4 HT. Both configurations rocked. See Marks and my thread on these players. I might have been unclear in the last post. at the moment I am using a pt-100 (driving my XPR-2) that I bought at the axpona audio show in Chicago in April to replace the TA-100 I gave to my daughter who also lives in Chicago. although it is not the measure of the preamp that the xsp-1 was or for that matter the xmc-1 is, it is quite good and allows me to run my hdmi chords (from oppo and directv) to the tv with the optical out (on the tv) to the preamp. it also provides me input for the erc-1 and bluetooth (which we use once in a while). for stereo listening it is quite good and satisfying. for movies and tv programs it is (old school) stereo and acceptable (but not satisfying) for the time being until the new XMC-1 gen 3 or XMC-2 comes out. in the living room I generally only listen to cd's (when not watching shows) whereas in the piano room I run much of my music off my Mac through the DC-1 (and a little bit of vinyl every so often). check out my equipment list. thanks for the advice btw.........
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Post by novisnick on Aug 11, 2018 15:04:24 GMT -5
My friend, why do without superior two channel audio? WHY? Do like myself or Mark and spring for a newtwork player and a DAC. Couldn’t be happier. I too had sold my XMC-1 in anticipation of their new prepro. Now its not coming for some time IMHO so i sprang for the upgrade. Ive owned a Yamaha 3020 since 2012 and it still runs perfectly for 7.2 HT, Ive even had it set up for a few years as an 11.4 HT. Both configurations rocked. See Marks and my thread on these players. I might have been unclear in the last post. at the moment I am using a pt-100 (driving my XPR-2) that I bought at the axpona audio show in Chicago in April to replace the TA-100 I gave to my daughter who also lives in Chicago. although it is not the measure of the preamp that the xsp-1 was or for that matter the xmc-1 is, it is quite good and allows me to run my hdmi chords (from oppo and directv) to the tv with the optical out (on the tv) to the preamp. it also provides me input for the erc-1 and bluetooth (which we use once in a while). for stereo listening it is quite good and satisfying. for movies and tv programs it is (old school) stereo and acceptable (but not satisfying) for the time being until the new XMC-1 gen 3 or XMC-2 comes out. in the living room I generally only listen to cd's (when not watching shows) whereas in the piano room I run much of my music off my Mac through the DC-1 (and a little bit of vinyl every so often). check out my equipment list. thanks for the advice btw......... Got cha! 😁 I own a TA-100 and have had it configured every way to Sunday and it is a wonderful product, same as the PT-100 as you know. In my experience I’ve found that a direct USB connection from a computer to a DAC doesn’t sound nearly or even close to good as compared to placing a network player between them. If you run a lot of music via hard drive and streaming this route sounds so much better and is worth the added expense IMHO.
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