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Post by lrobertson on Oct 3, 2018 19:59:19 GMT -5
I’m setting myself up for 12ft from a 60” tall 2.37 Severtson cinemawhite 1.3 microperf. I sat in front of a 2x2 ft severtson 1.3 microperf and a 2x2 ft Stewart st130 g3 microperf for weeks and I couldn’t merit the added cost myself for the Stewart. They looked very similar to my eyes but if I were you I would look at samples for anything you’re trying to buy. Around 11ft is when the microperf began to go away and 12ft was where I never noticed it at all for me. Woven screens can be watched closer and mounted closer to speakers but take a gain hit and I wanted viewing to be good for the entire front row so I needed a larger screen anyways giving me the viewing distance. I’m sure Dirac will solve any situations I run into with the microperf or stretch velvet in the rest of the room for sound. One of the other perks of Severtson is it doesn’t use a coating and it still holds its own imo with Stewart with its gain so it is a lot easier to clean and I won’t have to worry about kids making a mess on it. That being said I’ve had quite a bit of back and forth thinking of going you’re route with the IMAX sized screen which is an awesome way to get the most immersion possible. I decided however to go with the 2.37 for the added brightness and HDR performance with an a-lens and less sq ft to cover. I also chose to make it curved so I could bring the projector in a bit to max out the lens and projector combo sacrificing 16:9 and 2:1 content. In the end I’ll see the 1.3 gain screen brightness and hoping for around a 20% bump in brightness with the lens. The curved screen immersion is something I’m hoping adds to the experience as well. Either way I might end up masking a bit more than just the sides until I can afford a future JVC 4k affordable laser. I’m still on the minimum end of the recommended brightness for my size with a 640 for HDR. IMHO you’re plan to do a IMAX setup is solid and cost effective. Whether or not it fits in the final room plan is what sounds like the dilemma. That space you could add taking off the drywall seems important for microperf especially.
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Post by freality on Oct 3, 2018 20:02:05 GMT -5
This pretty much describes my entire family lineage.
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 3, 2018 20:02:27 GMT -5
I'd turn the entire room around, putting the screen in front of the A/C room (could be equipment room also). Very good suggestion. And this is why you wonder why you sometimes come across as a jerk. Suggesting getting rid of those items politely is fine, but the "give me a break" part makes you come across as an a$$. First of all its condescending, second, how do you know someone in his family doesn't have something like bladder or incontinent issues? Or they are just older so going up and down steps is a pain. This room is upstairs all by itself. Third, in my family we many times hit pause for pee breaks etc. Its nice when its close. So while it might not be for you, I think its a good thing to have close by if odds favor it. Get it? You are a very sensitive man, but apparently not to bathroom smells and noises. Please don't criticize me when I am not addressing you directly. You do this quite often and I am getting tired of it. If I offended the OP then I apologize, but I think he is a big enough man to know that I was being more on the humorous side than the offensive side. I suppose a smiley may have been in order.
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 3, 2018 20:05:09 GMT -5
This pretty much describes my entire family lineage. O.K. I apologize. That's of course you took offense, not just Bonzo.
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Post by freality on Oct 3, 2018 20:08:27 GMT -5
I’m setting myself up for 12ft from a 60” tall 2.37 Severtson cinemawhite 1.3 microperf. I sat in front of a 2x2 ft severtson 1.3 microperf and a 2x2 ft Stewart st130 g3 microperf for weeks and I couldn’t merit the added cost myself for the Stewart. They looked very similar to my eyes but if I were you I would look at samples for anything you’re trying to buy. Around 11ft is when the microperf began to go away and 12ft was where I never noticed it at all for me. Woven screens can be watched closer and mounted closer to speakers but take a gain hit and I wanted viewing to be good for the entire front row so I needed a larger screen anyways giving me the viewing distance. I’m sure Dirac will solve any situations I run into with the microperf or stretch velvet in the rest of the room for sound. One of the other perks of Severtson is it doesn’t use a coating and it still holds its own imo with Stewart with its gain so it is a lot easier to clean and I won’t have to worry about kids making a mess on it. That being said I’ve had quite a bit of back and forth thinking of going you’re route with the IMAX sized screen which is an awesome way to get the most immersion possible. I decided however to go with the 2.37 for the added brightness and HDR performance with an a-lens and less sq ft to cover. I also chose to make it curved so I could bring the projector in a bit to max out the lens and projector combo sacrificing 16:9 and 2:1 content. In the end I’ll see the 1.3 gain screen brightness and hoping for around a 20% bump in brightness with the lens. The curved screen immersion is something I’m hoping adds to the experience as well. Either way I might end up masking a bit more than just the sides until I can afford a future JVC 4k affordable laser. I’m still on the minimum end of the recommended brightness for my size with a 640 for HDR. IMHO you’re plan to do a IMAX setup is solid and cost effective. Whether or not it fits in the final room plan is what sounds like the dilemma. That space you could add taking off the drywall seems important for microperf especially. Sounds like an absolutely killer combo. Which A-lens are you planning on using? Panamorph Phoenix? I'm seriously considering a JVC 540 (with the new pricing) and a Phoenix. I could still do IMAX if I put it on a sled to move out of the way of the lens.
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 3, 2018 20:09:54 GMT -5
Btw your room looks awfully close to a golden room ratio. Trying to match one will help the rooms modal frequencies.
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Post by freality on Oct 3, 2018 20:11:32 GMT -5
It's all good fellas, I did not take offense. Clearly, you both have a bit of a history where there may have been some wires crossed in the past, or have personalities that simply rub each other the wrong way. I've been there. Life's too short to not make it to the bathroom on time!
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 3, 2018 20:19:22 GMT -5
Yeah I’d really be kicking myself with the new offerings and the 540 price but Scott from Techht gave me a price not too far off the new msrp 540 mark so I can only imagine why he might be able to do with the 540 now. He also had a used Isco iiiL he sold to me on consignment from another firm so I got it well under what I’ve seen it go for used on eBay with the cinemaslide that he developed. Long story short solid dude and he seems to be very fair with his prices. You couldn’t go wrong with anything you’re thinking about doing I think. If anything though you could always add the lens later if you think something is lacking. The further you mount the projector with a lens the less brightness benefit and the closer the more pincushion and other factors with prisms. Kinda why I opted for cylindrical and a curved screen. For your use a paladin lens might make a little sense and it would be a shame because with the new 4k chips you’d prob really want the dcr if you chose a prism. I only say that because you max your screen size and preferred zoom for IMAX then move the lens in front and instead of a horizontal stretch it’s a vertical sqweeze squeezing all the light into a 2.35:1 image.. There will be pros and cons with anything though. That lens might maximize light but supposedly it degrades quality more than a cylindrical. Something about the scaling for 1.33 horizontal stretch also allows for less artifacts I’ve read.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 3, 2018 20:31:39 GMT -5
You are a very sensitive man, VERY far from it. Me thinks its quite the opposite. You just simply don't get it. I'm not offended at all, and I don't think you ARE a jerk. On the contrary I think you have good knowledge of this stuff. I even said your 180 spin suggestion was a very good one. But your snipes and language makes you come across as an a$$. I'm just letting you know. Kind of like actually telling someone they have bad breath. Nope. All natural, necessary, and part of life. Sorry, no deal. I judge anyone and everyone accordingly. Not the current political correct thing, but I don't care. Again, I don't care. I will call anyone out for crap. I do it to my boss all the time. Just like I do to Dan or anyone else here. Stop being belittling of people and you'll not hear from me. Yes, do that and all can be different. I already like this thread, so let's not ruin it with our personal bickering. You wanna meet in PM world lets do so.
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Post by leonski on Oct 3, 2018 20:36:31 GMT -5
Just throwing some ideas out there, but it’s a great space. 👍 Framed out with timber. Hmmm...this is a great point![/quote] There you go. Leave all of the timber in place, remove the drywall from both sides. Screen on one side speakers on the other side. Magic. BTW before anyone else says it, drywall actually adds quite a lot to the rigidity of the wall, so definitely think about doubling up some of the vertical 2x4’s to maintain that especially since it’s load bearing.[/quote] The usual construction technique would be to install a 2x4 DIAGONALLY across the back of the wall you wish to increase the sway resistance of. The reason I suggested 2x sheetrock on 2 adjacent walls was to 'stiffen' the wall and make it less like a drumhead. This will also lessen the sound transfer to any adjacent space...... The Air Handler part of the HVAC system should be VERY well sound insulated for obvious reasons. Want a rec for a shrink?
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Post by mgbpuff on Oct 3, 2018 20:37:49 GMT -5
VERY far from it. Me thinks its quite the opposite. You just simply don't get it. I'm not offended at all, and I don't think you ARE a jerk. On the contrary I think you have good knowledge of this stuff. I even said your 180 spin suggestion was a very good one. But your snipes and language makes you come across as an a$$. I'm just letting you know. Kind of like actually telling someone they have bad breath. Nope. All natural, necessary, and part of life. Sorry, no deal. I judge anyone and everyone accordingly. Not the current political correct thing, but I don't care. Again, I don't care. I will call anyone out for crap. I do it to my boss all the time. Just like I do to Dan or anyone else here. Stop being belittling of people and you'll not hear from me. Yes, do that and all can be different. I already like this thread, so let's not ruin it with our personal bickering. You wanna meet in PM world lets do so. I thought this was over when I apologized to the OP (who wasn't offended by the way), but you won't let it drop. You are acting like a blog vigilante. I would appreciate a ruling from a moderator. (Bonzo said and mgbpuff said are all screwed up here - why?)
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 3, 2018 20:43:25 GMT -5
It's all good fellas, I did not take offense. Clearly, you both have a bit of a history where there may have been some wires crossed in the past, or have personalities that simply rub each other the wrong way. I've been there. Life's too short to not make it to the bathroom on time! Sorry, we do have that. I do think his idea of spinning it 180 is a good idea. If you want a bathroom, ignore him. I think its something worth having given your arrangement. A nice solid core pocket door, double sheet rocked walls, a super quiet ceiling fan, and some sound deadening materials in the bath will help with the other obvious issues. Even if it only gets used once and a while, nice that it's there IMO. Of course if you decide you don't need it that's fine too. Your call, but I like it.
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Post by freality on Oct 3, 2018 20:45:57 GMT -5
Yeah I’d really be kicking myself with the new offerings and the 540 price but Scott from Techht gave me a price not too far off the new msrp 540 mark so I can only imagine why he might be able to do with the 540 now. He also had a used Isco iiiL he sold to me on consignment from another firm so I got it well under what I’ve seen it go for used on eBay with the cinemaslide that he developed. Long story short solid dude and he seems to be very fair with his prices. You couldn’t go wrong with anything you’re thinking about doing I think. If anything though you could always add the lens later if you think something is lacking. The further you mount the projector with a lens the less brightness benefit and the closer the more pincushion and other factors with prisms. Kinda why I opted for cylindrical and a curved screen. Can't wait to hear your thoughts when you get it all set up! I'm intrigued by the Isco idea instead of a Panamorph.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 3, 2018 20:54:47 GMT -5
Also, why the walled off back? Couldn't the windows just be shuttered over? Just have a door at the bottom of the stairs. The walled-off back was to get a perfectly dedicated space. I'm not opposed to getting rid of that idea, but it might be a bit tough to still plan for rear-surrounds, and that would also mean there would basically be a huge hole in the floor for sound to escape If you do spin it around and make the window wall the back, adding that back wall could solve your hole in the floor issue, make rear speaker placement easier, and make for a cool entrance. You could decorate the stair and hall walls with movie posters. And depending where you put the entrance door, if you centered it to the room, it might allow for a small wet barish thing at the end with a small fridge and / or a popcorn maker. Then no need to go all the way downstairs for a pop, beer, candy, or popcorn. 😁
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Post by freality on Oct 3, 2018 20:59:21 GMT -5
The walled-off back was to get a perfectly dedicated space. I'm not opposed to getting rid of that idea, but it might be a bit tough to still plan for rear-surrounds, and that would also mean there would basically be a huge hole in the floor for sound to escape You could decorate the stair and hall walls with movie posters. 😁 Someone's been reading my mind!
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 3, 2018 21:16:02 GMT -5
I thought this was over when I apologized to the OP (who wasn't offended by the way), but you won't let it drop. You are acting like a blog vigilante. I would appreciate a ruling from a moderator. (Bonzo said and mgbpuff said are all screwed up here - why?) PMed.
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 3, 2018 21:16:51 GMT -5
Will do!
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 3, 2018 21:18:09 GMT -5
You could decorate the stair and hall walls with movie posters. 😁 Someone's been reading my mind! A beer tap would be even cooler! 😁 No going all the way downstairs, and with a bathroom right there, easy to relieve one's self! 😂
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Post by leonski on Oct 3, 2018 22:36:33 GMT -5
Decorating ideas are all cool. I'd even add an 'exit' sign over the.......exit, of all places! At the BOTTOM of the stairs? A very dense black or red/black VELVET curtain. On the Oppsite side of said curtain is when you begin setting the 'mood' by subdued lighting and a few tasteful posters. Framed, of course. Such posters get 'accent' or 'bullet' lights on each one. Don't scrimp here. Somehow Quiet the stair treads. I'll re-suggest the EXTERIOR door at the top of the stairs or perhaps a 2nd Very Dense Velvet Curtain. In a normal 32" to 36" door, such curtains should go nearly 20lb if not more. And for the REAL OverAchiever? Install a rope-pull DUMBWAITER so various Beverages and PopCorn can be quicly moved to the viewing area without fear of a 'Stair Induced Accident'........ www.home-elevator.net/jeeves-econo-lift.phpI have Zero idea of cost but I also see some DIY suggestions which are probably 'manual' using a rope and pully system. I just LOVE spending OPM. (Other People's Money)
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 4, 2018 0:59:21 GMT -5
I'm sure you are aware but just in case. My friend had the acoustic panels made up with art prints on them, so they don't look like acoustic panels, more like pictures hung on the walls. Example (not his); He's an automation expert, so he has dimming lights in the corner bass traps, so they look more like light fittings than bass traps. Cheers Gary
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