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Post by Priapulus on Oct 7, 2018 10:06:55 GMT -5
The time has come to buy a new flat screen, to upgrade to 4K. In the past, I simply bought the most expensive Sony that I could afford (on my limited budget). But I understand Sony is no longer the leader in screens; I've heard good things about LG. I'm not rich, so must go for the most bang for the buck. Quality is more important than size. My setup is at the bottom.
1) Budget is about US$ 700-1,000.
2) 4k (i.e. quirky V3 HDMI board, XMC1 compatible)
3) A good brand, not cheap crap.
4) 55" (50-60" screen.)
5) I watch Netflicks, utube, rental movie discs.
Your suggestions appreciated.
Sincerely
/blair (Canadian)
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 7, 2018 10:47:50 GMT -5
The time has come to buy a new flat screen, to upgrade to 4K. In the past, I simply bought the most expensive Sony that I could afford (on my limited budget). But I understand Sony is no longer the leader in screens; I've heard good things about LG. I'm not rich, so must go for the most bang for the buck. Quality is more important than size. My setup is at the bottom. 1) Budget is about US$ 700-1,000. 2) 4k (i.e. V3 HDMI board, XMC1 compatible) 3) A good brand, not cheap crap. 4) 55" (50-60" screen.) 5) I watch Netflicks, utube, rental movie discs. Your suggestions appreciated. Sincerely /blair (Canadian) I think it’s tough actually, to go wrong with any of the top brands these days but I have been sticking with Samsung (currently a 55 3 D) because they back up their stuff, even in my case a bit out of warranty. I have done so well with them in fact, they’ve LOST money on me, if you get my drift. I will not go with 4K until my current unit gives up the ghost. Bill |
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Post by DavidR on Oct 7, 2018 10:55:51 GMT -5
Samsung and LG make the best IMO.
Go to a Best Buy or similar store and view the different makes.
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Post by creimes on Oct 7, 2018 13:58:22 GMT -5
I picked up a 50" Sharp 4K Roku TV from Best Buy here in Canada last November for $499 CAD and couldn't be happier with it, is it top notch no but it was $499, picture seems great and built in Roku is quick and easy to use, I see the 50, 55 and 60 on sale often.
Chad
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 7, 2018 15:07:53 GMT -5
TVs are not like speakers or cars. They do not require personal taste. Do some internet searching for reviews from big name places and magazines. When a model gets consistently great reviews, its a good TV in terms of performance. For example, I bought my Panny ZT site unseen.
You can NOT judge a TV picture by going to stores and checking them out. They are never adjusted properly and even the best TV can look like garbage. Don't get sucked in the trap.
If this is your main TV, a professional calibration is an absolute must. Depending on where you live, this will run between $250 and $500. If this is a bedroom TV or secondary room, its not an absolute must. But for any main system, I would never live without it again. HUGE difference.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 7, 2018 15:10:22 GMT -5
Forgot to say, I think the LG OLEDs have the best picture money can buy. Everyone else buys their OLED screens from LG, so their typically higher price is mostly middle man mark up.
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Post by routlaw on Oct 7, 2018 15:28:06 GMT -5
Forgot to say, I think the LG OLEDs have the best picture money can buy. Everyone else buys their OLED screens from LG, so their typically higher price is mostly middle man mark up. I agree. For the last umpteen years I've been a projection viewer, Epsons. But comparing the LG Oled's to the Samsung QLED at Costco for me there simply isn't a comparison. Don't get me wrong the Samsungs look fine but OLED is just much better, more 3 dimensional vivid etc. To that I will also concur both sets have the controls ramped up way out of reality with reds that are pushed far too much. In any case looking at either of these TV's have me seriously reconsidering the validity of projectors in this age. That part of the industry just doesn't appear to be keeping up with the technology of of TV's. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 7, 2018 16:01:03 GMT -5
OLED is going to give you the best picture. There are two problems, price and the possibility of burn in. I have seen some horrible burn in problems at my local BB from both Sony and LG.
To be fair, the sets run continuously and are in “torch mode”.
I personally would take a chance though mainly due to feedback here where folks have not really reported the problem and swear by them.
Samsung, Sony, LG all make good quality sets. Check reviews from Cnet and Rtings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 16:10:11 GMT -5
I like LG also.
In any case looking at either of these TV's have me seriously reconsidering the validity of projectors in this age. That part of the industry just doesn't appear to be keeping up with the technology of of TV's.[/quote]
I totally agree. When you add the price of new bulbs that's needed every year or so, flat screens for me.
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 7, 2018 16:13:22 GMT -5
OLED is going to give you the best picture. There are two problems, price and the possibility of burn in. I have seen some horrible burn in problems at my local BB from both Sony and LG. To be fair, the sets run continuously and are in “torch mode”. I personally would take a chance though mainly due to feedback here where folks have not really reported the problem and swear by them. Samsung, Sony, LG all make good quality sets. Check reviews from Cnet and Rtings. Burn in with Plasmas and OLED sets is a highly overblown thing. Sure, it can happen, in exactly the situations you refer to. And it can happen to people who watch nothing but sports, wide screen movies, or gamers. But with some smarts and a tiny amount of care, it will never be an issue. First, after purchasing said TV, turn down the brightness and constrast controls to about 30%. Turn the sharpness to zero. Then run some sort of full screen material straight for like 100-200 hours. I switched blu-rays every 12 hours during this process. Doing this will let the OLEDs break in softly which will help greatly with longevity and burn in. Second, mix up what you watch a little. If you play a certain game for 3 hours straight, when done, turn the TV to something regular for 10 minutes before shutting it down. If you watch sports all day, commercials should break it up enough to never have an issue. Make sure the screen saver setting is on so if you have to pause, it doesn't stay on the same full lit screen for too long. Follow some simple guidelines and burn in will never happen. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 7, 2018 18:27:09 GMT -5
When I bought my 4K Series 6 55" Samsung, over a year ago now, I did some research, mostly on Dolby Vision. Which at the time was (and still is) causing some interactions issues, plus it wasn't available on Apple TV4K at the time or via cable TV (still isn't), which are my most watched sources (over 85%). In regards to OLED TV's, our FTA and cable TV stations ALL run identifiers in the lower right hand corner of the screen. This results in very difficult to avoid burn in, as I have seen on many screens. It manifests itself as a dull smudgy area in that part of the screen. It's not identifiable, in that I can't read any characters, it's just "cloudy" in that area. That's home use TV's, not just retail shop TV's with afterburner settings. I have no doubt that there are ways to avoid/mitigate it, but it was a pain that I just didn't need. OLED's are a step more expensive (especially here in OZ) so I couldn't justify paying extra, a lot extra, for things that I couldn't use 85% of the time that also involved some pain.
If I was making the same decision today I'm not confident that the same reasoning doesn't still apply. Sure the ATV4K now handles DV, but having checked the programming that I watch on Australian Netflix, Stan, Prime and Plex there isn't anything that we currently watch that is available in DV. It still doesn't pass the value for money test.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by Bonzo on Oct 7, 2018 18:51:26 GMT -5
In regards to OLED TV's, our FTA and cable TV stations ALL run identifiers in the lower right hand corner of the screen. This results in very difficult to avoid burn in, as I have seen on many screens. It manifests itself as a dull smudgy area in that part of the screen. It's not identifiable, in that I can't read any characters, it's just "cloudy" in that area. That's home use TV's, not just retail shop TV's with afterburner settings. I have no doubt that there are ways to avoid/mitigate it, but it was a pain that I just didn't need. Sorry Gary, no offense, but I don't buy what you are selling this time. This forum is not made from idiotic people who don't know better. Follow my lead folks and you will never have issues with burn in, or, what is more likely simply image retention. On this topic, its ill informed people and over staters like you Gary that made superior plasma go away. Let's please not do that again with OLED. That would be most unfortunate, and would truly piss me off. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 7, 2018 19:27:45 GMT -5
Based on what I read here, I'd avoid Sony due to its implementation of DV...seems odds vs. others following a more typical approach and that's only likely to bring issues.
That said, I don't have any 4K TV's yet and the best picture I have is from an old technology Sony. It is still almost spooky in its realism and it's pretty old (at least 6 years?). My newer LG doesn't even compare, and my projector is way behind those two (but giant screen!).
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 7, 2018 19:50:53 GMT -5
In regards to OLED TV's, our FTA and cable TV stations ALL run identifiers in the lower right hand corner of the screen. This results in very difficult to avoid burn in, as I have seen on many screens. It manifests itself as a dull smudgy area in that part of the screen. It's not identifiable, in that I can't read any characters, it's just "cloudy" in that area. That's home use TV's, not just retail shop TV's with afterburner settings. I have no doubt that there are ways to avoid/mitigate it, but it was a pain that I just didn't need. Sorry Gary, no offense, but I don't buy what you are selling this time. This forum is not made from idiotic people who don't know better. Follow my lead folks and you will never have issues with burn in, or, what is more likely simply image retention. On this topic, its ill informed people and over staters like you Gary that made superior plasma go away. Let's please not do that again with OLED. That would be most unfortunate, and would truly piss me off. I don't think I am "overstating" anything. Overstating would have been saying it was "every OLED screen" and/or "so bad you can't watch it" which is not what I posted, nor did I say it was "impossible to avoid". After all I can only report what I see and I did note that "there are ways to avoid/mitigate it". In regards to "image retention", "image persistence", versus "burn in" or the developing trend to call it "burn down" or "uneven wear", they all still affect the viewing experience, the difference is in how long they affect it. The problem is once you have seen it you can't unsee it. To quote Apple, who has possibly sold more OLED screens than anyone, "With extended long-term use, OLED displays can also show slight visual changes. This is also expected behaviour and can include 'image persistence' or 'burn-in,' where the display shows a faint remnant of an image even after a new image appears on the screen." I note that LG and Sony explicitly state that image retention and burn-in are not covered on their OLED TVs. In comparison, on its quantum-dot-equipped sets, Samsung markets a "burn-in guarantee." Locally there is a "user provoked" movement to have our pay TV provider not have the station identifier always in the same place. Maybe related or not, I noticed over the weekend that their 4K channel had the station identifier in the top right hand corner of the screen, whilst the non 4K channels were in their usual place in the bottom right hand corner. FWIW, I'm not selling anything, just responding with my views to answer the question "Which Flat Screen should I buy?". That's "my view", which may or may not agree with anyone else's view. Cheers Gary |
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Post by bluemeanies on Oct 8, 2018 4:17:05 GMT -5
OLED is going to give you the best picture. There are two problems, price and the possibility of burn in. I have seen some horrible burn in problems at my local BB from both Sony and LG. To be fair, the sets run continuously and are in “torch mode”. I personally would take a chance though mainly due to feedback here where folks have not really reported the problem and swear by them. Samsung, Sony, LG all make good quality sets. Check reviews from Cnet and Rtings. In all the stores I have been in I never heard of a serious burn in issue unless you use the TV as a total gamer. 24/7 Beyond that it is a none issue. If burn in was a problem who would be buying OLED TV's. Myself..I have a LG 42" LCD TV but intend to step up to a new, bigger screen TV just around the holidays or Super Bowl. |
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Post by vcautokid on Oct 8, 2018 5:55:05 GMT -5
Priapulus, put some science and data to work for you on your next Flat Panel TV. 4K is really cool and separating the excellent form very good to good is not always easy. See www.rtings.com for their recommendations. It is a valuable resource for making that just right TV investment. By the way, they review headphones too. Lots of cool tests to see a TV's true performance. LG and Sony are riding the wave, and Samsung is fighting back. Big surprises in value TVs are TCL. The strongest selling 4K TV on Amazon for instance. Cheap and great as a guest room or kids room TV. The OLED LG like the C7 are incredible. Don't sell Sony short. Though the alliance with some Samsung tech at Sony maybe real, Sony is on a tear right now. Also, the competition has never looked better. There is a TV for everyone. Hear say, and opinions are valuable, but tests will separate out the best. Let us know how you get along, and what you select as your next 4K Flat Panel TV! |
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 8, 2018 6:30:09 GMT -5
OLED is going to give you the best picture. There are two problems, price and the possibility of burn in. I have seen some horrible burn in problems at my local BB from both Sony and LG. To be fair, the sets run continuously and are in “torch mode”. I personally would take a chance though mainly due to feedback here where folks have not really reported the problem and swear by them. Samsung, Sony, LG all make good quality sets. Check reviews from Cnet and Rtings. In all the stores I have been in I never heard of a serious burn in issue unless you use the TV as a total gamer. 24/7 Beyond that it is a none issue. If burn in was a problem who would be buying OLED TV's. Myself..I have a LG 42" LCD TV but intend to step up to a new, bigger screen TV just around the holidays or Super Bowl. Go to the Fair Lakes, Virginia Best Buy. Take a look at any of their OLED sets. ALL have burn in. I have talked to them about it and the response is: "We run these continuosly. We dont' adjust the picture.We don't calibrate. It's basically torch mode. The video loops include a static identifier." This is what I saw. I'm not arguing against OLED. I'd love to own one, but it you are a gamer, news junkie, or simply never adjust your picture out of torch mode, you are better off with an LCD. |
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Post by bootman on Oct 8, 2018 7:17:19 GMT -5
You guys can buy OLEDs at $700-1000 CAD? wow.  To the OP. For that budget maybe take a look at the Visios. There is always a good sale. Also don't just discard the TCL Roku displays. You have to go and see them to make sure things like viewing angles, color temp, features etc are to your liking. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Oct 8, 2018 8:09:13 GMT -5
You guys can buy OLEDs at $700-1000 CAD? wow. To the OP. For that budget maybe take a look at the Visios. There is always a good sale. Also don't just discard the TCL Roku displays. You have to go and see them to make sure things like viewing angles, color temp, features etc are to your liking. Yeah, don't overlook the Visios or TCLs if you are on a real budget crunch. If you have a warehouse membership such as Costco, check them out. 90 day no questions asked return and extra year warranty. |
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Post by stads77 on Oct 8, 2018 8:09:57 GMT -5
Agreed, no one seems to have looked at the OP’s budget. He is not getting an OLED for that coin. I have been happy with TCL and LG’s Non OLED offerings for the money and the DV looks good on my ATV4k as well.
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