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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 18:34:38 GMT -5
First let me say, I heard the XMC-1 at Dallas roadshow and it was the best pre/pro I've ever heard. I'm considering the Marantz AV7704 plus MiniDPS+Dirac. I can get the combo (with much more flexibility) for the about the price as Emo. I do know XMC had "issues" but have been worked out from what I'm seeing on the forum, while other forums crucify Emo. & XMC-1. I really like "future proof" dedication by Emotiva. What I do like about going XMC is it is designed with my XPA-5 in mind.
With Marantz's flexibility additional features I like are internet radio, HD radio, legacy connections, 11.2, Wireless Multi-Room Music Streaming, Multi-Source/Multi-room, android/iOS control. Those are big additions to XMC. I felt @ $1999 XMC was a fair deal, not @ $2500. (though I do have 25% off eligibility).
Also I'm not an Integra/Onkyo fan, but I got a fabulous deal (75% off) on DTR50.4 that has many of the features I want. I just don't trust it with their heat issues, failing caps & HDMI boards or I would just add Dirac but GUI is weird. (D&M is much better). Sounds good with XPA-5, Anthem is over what I'm willing to spend for a pre/pro. (no upgrade ability) I do have the UMC-200 but too many weird quirks. I'm reading through Keith's firmware update this weekend for the .v52 update.
Convince me why go XMC-1, on the fence but pulling the trigger next week, one way or the other.
Patiently waiting replies, Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 18:54:54 GMT -5
btw- I'm a much bigger music listener , but we do enjoy HT movies. Would like to get KiethL, Boomzilla, Novisnick, Dyohn, knucklehead, & of course Hempster and a few others I respect opinion- ALL ARE INCUR AGED TO REPLY.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2018 19:07:09 GMT -5
Nad t758v3. You get dirac built in, most issues have been worked through..... From what I read anyway. And they are also upgradable. If you don't need 11 channels of processing, by all means get the Xmc. But I for one will not buy another of Emotiva's products based on "future promises" Life is far too short to wait around. I enjoyed my xmc, I also enjoyed my Marantz 7702mk2 with a pair of ddrc88a's... Couldn't stand the Marantz on it's own. I'm more than impressed with my current Anthem Avm60.
Onkyo and integra have also pretty much worked through the heat issues. Every company has issues, My umc-1 was a bugshow.. My pt7030 was Incredible aside from the SUPER low subwoofer ouput and the Promised yet never delivered firmware update. My xmc suffered from the clicks and pops when pausing or skipping tracks, couldn't get dirac sw to run more than once without a reinstall. My marantz was rock solid, My minidsp was kinda sketchy on some the earlier firmware. My anthem 1120 was rock solid.. The avm60 not quite so much, it twisted the soundstage the other day while watching a movie. Point is buy what suits your needs today or next week.. Not on the promise of what will be added next year or two years ago or whenever it was.. Or don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 20:50:55 GMT -5
I'm more than impressed with my current Anthem Avm60.
I forgot about that, was thinking it was $6k. The reviews are always good for Anthem. (no one's perfect)
btw, we are selling the lake property- too many issues getting a house built (with a HT) in Bubbaville. So that puts us another year behind my original plan. Not waiting any longer on a new Pr/Pro.
The XMC-2 has even less flexibility for more $- No thx.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 17, 2018 23:43:48 GMT -5
Well the XMC-1 is quite a bit better in sound than the UMC-200. I wasn't sold on DIRAC. I would suggest waiting for the XMC-2 if you are jumping in or waiting till all the upgrade cards come out for the XMC-1. I don't know how much more the original XMC-1 can be upgraded.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 18, 2018 1:13:59 GMT -5
So far I haven’t found a processor that sounds as good as an XMC-1 in my set up. I have already had the 4K upgrade and 1st quarter next year (according to Lonnie) I’ll do the DTS-X/Atmos upgrade. That makes it a 6 to 7 year processor for me.
A friend of mine had a Yamaha CX-A5100 and I’m quite surprised at how good it sounds. With a Sabre DAC too, I never ever thought that would happen. As a “ disposable” processor they represent excellent value for money (3 or 4 years) then buy the new model.
I was interested to read that you thought the UMC-200 was “quirky”, I never had an issue with mine (post the power supply upgrade) it worked perfectly and did everything as I expected it to from the day I got it.
Cheers Gary
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Post by creimes on Nov 18, 2018 2:44:09 GMT -5
Are you dead set on buying new, with the RMC-1 releasing soon to the first batch of buyers there may be some XMC-1's hitting the market, or other processors like the Anthem AVM-60, heck I have seen the XMC-1 1.4 HDMI versions sell from $1000 to $1400
Chad
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 18, 2018 10:34:32 GMT -5
First let me say, I heard the XMC-1 at Dallas roadshow and it was the best pre/pro I've ever heard. I'm considering the Marantz AV7704 plus MiniDPS+Dirac. I can get the combo (with much more flexibility) for the about the price as Emo. I do know XMC had "issues" but have been worked out from what I'm seeing on the forum, while other forums crucify Emo. & XMC-1. I really like "future proof" dedication by Emotiva. What I do like about going XMC is it is designed with my XPA-5 in mind. With Marantz's flexibility additional features I like are internet radio, HD radio, legacy connections, 11.2, Wireless Multi-Room Music Streaming, Multi-Source/Multi-room, android/iOS control. Those are big additions to XMC. I felt @ $1999 XMC was a fair deal, not @ $2500. (though I do have 25% off eligibility). Also I'm not an Integra/Onkyo fan, but I got a fabulous deal (75% off) on DTR50.4 that has many of the features I want. I just don't trust it with their heat issues, failing caps & HDMI boards or I would just add Dirac but GUI is weird. (D&M is much better). Sounds good with XPA-5, Anthem is over what I'm willing to spend for a pre/pro. (no upgrade ability) I do have the UMC-200 but too many weird quirks. I'm reading through Keith's firmware update this weekend for the .v52 update. Convince me why go XMC-1, on the fence but pulling the trigger next week, one way or the other. Patiently waiting replies, Jeff I’ve now owned the XMC for over 4 years. Nothing was as good for both Audio and video for the money 💰 and that is still true today IMHO. At the time I purchased I was comparing it to units some of which were in the 10,000 range (not that I would ever blow those kinds of funds on a processor.) Bill
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 15:18:43 GMT -5
Gary- "quirky" issues are a totally pink picture image, audio drops, freezes. I believe most are Directv issues via HDMI. I suspect many issues people have are due to DRM, HDCP via HDMI. We have gotten the pink picture on DVD, Bluray also. We never had picture issues via Denon AVR-5700 using (RGB) analogue- never This is why I like the option to switch to analogue input with DTV.- better than having to wiggling wires, pwr off/on, etc.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 18, 2018 15:27:02 GMT -5
Gary- "quirky" issues are a totally pink picture image, audio drops, freezes. I believe most are Directv issues via HDMI. I suspect many issues people have are due to DRM, HDCP via HDMI. We have gotten the pink picture on DVD, Bluray also. We never had picture issues via Denon AVR-5700 using (RGB) analogue- never This is why I like the option to switch to analogue input with DTV.- better than having to wiggling wires, pwr off/on, etc. Never had any of those, but of course no Direct TV in Oz. Which seems to be a common denominator problem, even today. In exchange we have problems with Foxtel IQ boxes, particularly #3 which many returned in frustration. Direct TV seem to play fast and loose with implementing standards. The UMC-1 was quirky for me, but the UMC-200 was straight plug and play in comparison. Cheers Gary
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Post by adaboy on Nov 18, 2018 20:54:23 GMT -5
The Marantz 8802a, can be had at your price point. In my opinion the XMC-1 < in every aspect. Dirac isn't that great compared to Audyssey's high end processing. XMC-1 is a niche market with "a" fan base but quality and features set isn't on par with the 8802a nor the 8805. Does that mean the XMC-1 doesn't sound good? No... It sounds excellent but lack of features (as you mentioned) and bugs(which aren't fully resolved and some will never be) aren't worth the hassle or cost. You will hear from people that have every work around possible with the XMC1 and how its held them for x number of years. As an AV pro, I can tell you that I've seen a lot of older and even legacy units preform wonders with the right work arounds. Just as long as you don't expect all of the bells and whistles.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 18, 2018 21:40:42 GMT -5
At this point I’d probably wait for the XMC-2, or if that’s out of your budget pick up one of the XMC-1’s that will be available used as they’re replaced by RMCs.
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 19, 2018 7:34:06 GMT -5
Gary- "quirky" issues are a totally pink picture image, audio drops, freezes. I believe most are Directv issues via HDMI. I suspect many issues people have are due to DRM, HDCP via HDMI. We have gotten the pink picture on DVD, Bluray also. We never had picture issues via Denon AVR-5700 using (RGB) analogue- never This is why I like the option to switch to analogue input with DTV.- better than having to wiggling wires, pwr off/on, etc. I have DIrecTV's 4k service, and I haven't had a problem with the XMC-1 since I installed the current firmware.
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Post by musicfan on Nov 19, 2018 8:29:07 GMT -5
First let me say, I heard the XMC-1 at Dallas roadshow and it was the best pre/pro I've ever heard. I'm considering the Marantz AV7704 plus MiniDPS+Dirac. I can get the combo (with much more flexibility) for the about the price as Emo. I do know XMC had "issues" but have been worked out from what I'm seeing on the forum, while other forums crucify Emo. & XMC-1. I really like "future proof" dedication by Emotiva. What I do like about going XMC is it is designed with my XPA-5 in mind. With Marantz's flexibility additional features I like are internet radio, HD radio, legacy connections, 11.2, Wireless Multi-Room Music Streaming, Multi-Source/Multi-room, android/iOS control. Those are big additions to XMC. I felt @ $1999 XMC was a fair deal, not @ $2500. (though I do have 25% off eligibility). Also I'm not an Integra/Onkyo fan, but I got a fabulous deal (75% off) on DTR50.4 that has many of the features I want. I just don't trust it with their heat issues, failing caps & HDMI boards or I would just add Dirac but GUI is weird. (D&M is much better). Sounds good with XPA-5, Anthem is over what I'm willing to spend for a pre/pro. (no upgrade ability) I do have the UMC-200 but too many weird quirks. I'm reading through Keith's firmware update this weekend for the .v52 update. Convince me why go XMC-1, on the fence but pulling the trigger next week, one way or the other. Patiently waiting replies, Jeff I’ve now owned the XMC for over 4 years. Nothing was as good for both Audio and video for the money 💰 and that is still true today IMHO. At the time I purchased I was comparing it to units some of which were in the 10,000 range (not that I would ever blow those kinds of funds on a processor.) Bill not sure how nothing was as good for video as you proclaim. since the XMC literally does nothing to the signal but pass it on. as does every other processor
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2018 9:05:11 GMT -5
I’ve now owned the XMC for over 4 years. Nothing was as good for both Audio and video for the money 💰 and that is still true today IMHO. At the time I purchased I was comparing it to units some of which were in the 10,000 range (not that I would ever blow those kinds of funds on a processor.) Bill not sure how nothing was as good for video as you proclaim. since the XMC literally does nothing to the signal but pass it on. as does every other processor I said “both audio and video” for the money. Who buys 2 processors for one system Bill
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 19, 2018 9:26:25 GMT -5
musicfan - "as does every other processor" - that's not quite true - I had a Denon AVR that processed the video signal. The picture I get out of the XMC-1 is definitely better than the Denon.
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Post by musicfan on Nov 19, 2018 9:41:06 GMT -5
musicfan - "as does every other processor" - that's not quite true - I had a Denon AVR that processed the video signal. The picture I get out of the XMC-1 is definitely better than the Denon. video processing is not default. I have a denon and had the xmc-1...zero difference.
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Post by musicfan on Nov 19, 2018 9:42:27 GMT -5
not sure how nothing was as good for video as you proclaim. since the XMC literally does nothing to the signal but pass it on. as does every other processor I said “both audio and video” for the money. Who buys 2 processors for one system Bill so you lump audio and video together as one feature...?? so the xmc-1 sounds great but cant pass 4k video (with stock board) so is that a great product?nope.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2018 11:07:20 GMT -5
I said “both audio and video” for the money. Who buys 2 processors for one system Bill so you lump audio and video together as one feature...?? so the xmc-1 sounds great but cant pass 4k video (with stock board) so is that a great product?nope. Thanks for the advice. I tossed my XMC an hour ago....caught the G MAN just in time! Attachments:
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2018 11:32:04 GMT -5
btw- I'm a much bigger music listener , but we do enjoy HT movies. Would like to get KiethL, Boomzilla, Novisnick, Dyohn, knucklehead, & of course Hempster and a few others I respect opinion- ALL ARE INCUR AGED TO REPLY. Hope you go XMC1....one SWEET piece of hardware! (Hope you enjoyed my previous post!) Bill
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