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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 19, 2018 11:55:38 GMT -5
I said “both audio and video” for the money. Who buys 2 processors for one system Bill so you lump audio and video together as one feature...?? so the xmc-1 sounds great but cant pass 4k video (with stock board) so is that a great product?nope. Great product if you don't do 4k like me
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Post by musicfan on Nov 19, 2018 12:10:31 GMT -5
so you lump audio and video together as one feature...?? so the xmc-1 sounds great but cant pass 4k video (with stock board) so is that a great product?nope. Great product if you don't do 4k like me i was just using the point for an argument
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 12:18:02 GMT -5
musicfan- HDMI has problems with "handshaking" with many products & brands, whether there is video processing or not. That is a FACT- search it. The all-in-one HDMI idea is good, but the implementation of it has been a disaster. I've been in electronics for 40 yrs and believe me, the best designs are not always implemented and some time the worst ideas become the industry standard. (VHS, MS Windows, etc) Some things get decided by politics, not facts.
Someone made the comment- spend the most money on speakers & amps, the rest is replaceable, totally agree. I own Monitor Audio speakers and they are sensitive to the front end components. When I auditioned amps/avr's, I found Musical Fidelity, Sony ES & Denon sounded best. Also found so far, that Burr-Brown DACS sound best with them.
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Post by musicfan on Nov 19, 2018 12:50:17 GMT -5
musicfan- HDMI has problems with "handshaking" with many products & brands, whether there is video processing or not. That is a FACT- search it. The all-in-one HDMI idea is good, but the implementation of it has been a disaster. I've been in electronics for 40 yrs and believe me, the best designs are not always implemented and some time the worst ideas become the industry standard. (VHS, MS Windows, etc) Some things get decided by politics, not facts. ummm. ok yes i know this and agree with it....whats your point???
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 19, 2018 13:03:19 GMT -5
musicfan- HDMI has problems with "handshaking" with many products & brands, whether there is video processing or not. That is a FACT- search it. The all-in-one HDMI idea is good, but the implementation of it has been a disaster. I've been in electronics for 40 yrs and believe me, the best designs are not always implemented and some time the worst ideas become the industry standard. (VHS, MS Windows, etc) Some things get decided by politics, not facts. Someone made the comment- spend the most money on speakers & amps, the rest is replaceable, totally agree. I own Monitor Audio speakers and they are sensitive to the front end components. When I auditioned amps/avr's, I found Musical Fidelity, Sony ES & Denon sounded best. Also found so far, that Burr-Brown DACS sound best with them. It sounds or looks as though you’ve made your decision already and was just looking for justification. I hope you enjoy your xmc, it is very nice when it works correctly and if you don’t need atmos, dts-x or 4K.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 14:02:30 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. We were in Franklin last summer & wanted to stop in to audition (play with) XMC but it was already 4:00. Some may have detected my frustration with this. I had everything planned for the new house build, all the equipment decisions made. I will probably not find what I want in another house, so my thoughts are now no HT, nothing more than 7.2 in the main living area. I will have a dedicated 2 channel room- my wife is demanding it. I've p'ed her off too many times with my late night music listening. (it worked, hahahaha)
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 19, 2018 14:51:31 GMT -5
For things like streaming, internet radio, airplay etc I have an Apple TV4K connected to my XMC-1, same as I had the 2 previous versions of ATV’s connected to my UMC-200. My view is that processors are by definition “separates” and hence apply the reasoning that I have separates so that I can upgrade each piece individually without, in the process, throwing away something that I don’t want or need to update. I also have separates to keep the noise, interference etc from one component contaminating another in the same box. To me my separates shouldn’t have things (features) that would be better off, sound wise, not being included.
With the above in mind, I first determine the features that I want in a processor, the ones I am going to actually use whilst ignoring those features that I am unlikely to use. In simple terms, I don’t buy a processor because it has some feature that I might use one day, maybe, once. Otherwise I might as well just buy an AVR with everything inside the one box and forget about separates alltogether.
Cheers Gary
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 19, 2018 15:29:18 GMT -5
I absolutely love my XMC-1. The sound quality continues to blow me away. Picture quality does absolutely everything I want.
Yeah, I was once irked that the V3 board took as long as it did, but that issue was resolved for me earlier this year.
I've been through the Denon/Marantz world (they're the same company), and I'd never go back. Yeah - my Denon AVR-4311 is in my home office, playing background music (via Emotiva monitors), but that's it.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2018 16:03:50 GMT -5
I absolutely love my XMC-1. The sound quality continues to blow me away. Picture quality does absolutely everything I want. Yeah, I was once irked that the V3 board took as long as it did, but that issue was resolved for me earlier this year. I've been through the Denon/Marantz world (they're the same company), and I'd never go back. Yeah - my Denon AVR-4311 is in my home office, playing background music (via Emotiva monitors), but that's it. I've had both Denon/Marantz products (in that order). I never say NEVER.....however after having trouble with both (the Denon was defective right out of the box and the Marantz went bad within a year and ended up being over 750.00 going to trash with no fix from the company offered. That's the only time in my life with gear I ever had to trash that kind of money...…..an experience you just never forget. The XMC and Emotiva delivering as promised and I still have a warrantied unit that is a force to be reckoned with after 4 years. Bill
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Post by KeithL on Nov 19, 2018 16:14:49 GMT -5
I've got to admit that I care much more about music than about home theater. I'm also not all that excited about surround sound. When I watch movies, I tend to be a more visual person. (I like it if the audio sounds really good... but I tend not to be especially bothered if it's just OK.)
I also think well recorded music sounds really good in stereo - and I don't ever turn on the upsampler.
I was raised on stereo - and I guess I just have no interest in hearing what the orchestra would sound like if I was sitting in the middle of it. Front row center works just fine for me. That said, the XMC-1 really excels at playing MUSIC. If you ignore all the processing, and the apps, and the extra features, a lot of processors out there just plain don't sound all that good. They sound "OK" - but not as good as a separate stereo preamp. That's why so many people buy expensive home theater systems - but still keep a stereo system around for listening to music.
I would go as far as to say that the XMC-1 is the first processor I've ever listened to that sounded good enough in stereo that I didn't feel a need to keep a stereo preamp around "for listening to music". (In fact, my DC-1 has spent a lot of time in the closet lately.)
And, to me, that is a major endorsement of the XMC-1.
Incidentally, I have XFinity cable... (not 4k). I have a 4k Samsung TV, and the original 4k Samsung disc player.... and both work just fine with the 4k card in my XMC-1.
(The TV has its own 4k apps for streaming stuff - so the XMC-1 isn't in the signal path for that.)
btw- I'm a much bigger music listener , but we do enjoy HT movies. Would like to get KiethL, Boomzilla, Novisnick, Dyohn, knucklehead, & of course Hempster and a few others I respect opinion- ALL ARE INCUR AGED TO REPLY.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 17:11:17 GMT -5
I've got to admit that I care much more about music than about home theater. I'm also not all that excited about surround sound. When I watch movies, I tend to be a more visual person. (I like it if the audio sounds really good... but I tend not to be especially bothered if it's just OK.)
I also think well recorded music sounds really good in stereo - and I don't ever turn on the upsampler.
I was raised on stereo - and I guess I just have no interest in hearing what the orchestra would sound like if I was sitting in the middle of it. Front row center works just fine for me. That said, the XMC-1 really excels at playing MUSIC. If you ignore all the processing, and the apps, and the extra features, a lot of processors out there just plain don't sound all that good. They sound "OK" - but not as good as a separate stereo preamp. That's why so many people buy expensive home theater systems - but still keep a stereo system around for listening to music.
I would go as far as to say that the XMC-1 is the first processor I've ever listened to that sounded good enough in stereo that I didn't feel a need to keep a stereo preamp around "for listening to music". (In fact, my DC-1 has spent a lot of time in the closet lately.)
And, to me, that is a major endorsement of the XMC-1. Incidentally, I have XFinity cable... (not 4k). I have a 4k Samsung TV, and the original 4k Samsung disc player.... and both work just fine with the 4k card in my XMC-1.
(The TV has its own 4k apps for streaming stuff - so the XMC-1 isn't in the signal path for that.)
btw- I'm a much bigger music listener , but we do enjoy HT movies. Kieth, you just described me- MUSIC FIRST Video is entertainment. Music is almost a religious experience. I only use 5 ch stereo with parties, the other music "enhancer" are never used in our house. I sometime use them with movies because of difficulties with movie dialogue. If 4k is working now GREAT. I may want it some day, so far I own no 4K material. If the XMC-1 can make a hotel room sound great, I think with some room treatments, I'll be happy. emofrmcgy read me, whether I knew my mind was made up. Thank you to all. Ya'll may regret me having an XMC because I'm not afraid to ask questions- even stupid ones. I
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 19, 2018 19:41:36 GMT -5
I was raised on stereo - and I guess I just have no interest in hearing what the orchestra would sound like if I was sitting in the middle of it. Front row center works just fine for me. I agree, I mostly listen to stereo music, but there are some albums where the music composition lends itself to multi channel listening. They tend to be what I call "experience" albums, like most Pink Floyd albums DSOM is good example, plus pretty much all of the Moody Blues albums. Hotel California also sounds better to me in multi channel than it does in stereo and the soaring guitar of Carlos Santana is quite a multi channel experience. I do have the Dire Straights Bros in Arms hybrid SACD and I prefer the stereo layer, it's more in your face music with the band on stage, right in front. Cheers Gary
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 21:03:57 GMT -5
Gary Cook thx for the reminder, I also have DTS CDs & DVD-As. They're awesome, especial Floyd & Al DiMeola Live (my favorite) on DVD-A. Eagle's Hell Freezes Over ain't bad either.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 19, 2018 21:22:28 GMT -5
Gary Cook thx for the reminder, I also have DTS CDs & DVD-As. They're awesome, especial Floyd & Al DiMeola Live (my favorite) on DVD-A. Eagle's Hell Freezes Over ain't bad either. Saw Al Di Melola about a year ago, still great.
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Post by jra on Nov 25, 2018 0:32:01 GMT -5
Just my 2cents. I like the XMC-1 so much I standardized on 3 of them for my home systems. Upgraded all three to the 4k board for future-proofing, although all my TV's are still 1080p (just looking in Costco tells me you won't be able to buy a sub-4k TV soon). I also standardized on Emotiva for the amplification.
I set them all up with Dirac, don't really care about Atmos (not drilling holes in my ceiling, plus there's currently no content for which it matters, 5.1 is good enough in my rooms).
The sound quality is.. astounding. That's what sold me on them. Yeah, movies and 5.1 mixes are nice, but the 2-channel (or 2.1) quality is stunning.
I bought them all before the price went up, not sure how I'd have felt about dropping 3x$2500 on them, but I'm intending to keep them for a long, long time. I don't think you can go wrong with them.
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