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Post by deewan on Jul 22, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -5
I have run the atmos track of Mad Max Fury Road and had no crackles. Although only the BD version. I will do full tests when I receive my 4k player tomorrow. A question, have you thought about this being some electrical fault? Do you have som filter connected or shooting straight from the wall socket? Do you have any other devices or whatever connected to the same phase that can cause disturbances? What about XLR cables? RMC is connected differently (hot/cold) than Marantz.. Do you use same cables for both? I know this is a longshot as Marantz is working fine. All my equipment is connection to UPS and surge protector/power filters. I do not believe the issue is electrical since I can reproduce the issue at the exact same time stamps and faithfully reproduce the crackle/static moving from the left middle height overhead speaker to the right (at the same time stamp of the movie) and then back to the left. If the issue was in channels that were not being upmixed, I'd blame the original soundtrack. I've also conducted tests to ensure the issue is not cable, speaker, speaker wire or amp channel related. I can reproduce the issue to any speaker in my room as long as I connect that speaker to the XLR middle overhead outputs on the RMC. I've also connected my middle overhead speakers to the front overhead output channel and played the same opening scene and I had no issue.
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Post by cwt on Jul 22, 2019 13:30:25 GMT -5
I have a Lumagen Pro (4446) in my chain. I run all sources to my Lumagen then audio only to the RMC-1 and with this setup I get all the audio types. I have tried it the other way where audio and video pass through the RMC-1 and while I am able to get audio and video its not 100% stable, it was the same way with my Anthem AVM60, I would lose HDMI every once in a while so for a couple years now I just use the Lumagen for all switching as its been rock solid that way. Twism ; as a 1 time dvdo duo owner I had troubles getting edids to be read in some configs . Came across this post that seems relevant to the latest lpcm issues and format selection ..Lumagen certainly have very comprehensive menu's as a rule www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/2172017-new-lumagen-radiance-pro-series-116.html#post56848654
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 22, 2019 13:53:06 GMT -5
I have run the atmos track of Mad Max Fury Road and had no crackles. Although only the BD version. I will do full tests when I receive my 4k player tomorrow. A question, have you thought about this being some electrical fault? Do you have som filter connected or shooting straight from the wall socket? Do you have any other devices or whatever connected to the same phase that can cause disturbances? What about XLR cables? RMC is connected differently (hot/cold) than Marantz.. Do you use same cables for both? I know this is a longshot as Marantz is working fine. All my equipment is connection to UPS and surge protector/power filters. I do not believe the issue is electrical since I can reproduce the issue at the exact same time stamps and faithfully reproduce the crackle/static moving from the left middle height overhead speaker to the right (at the same time stamp of the movie) and then back to the left. If the issue was in channels that were not being upmixed, I'd blame the original soundtrack. I've also conducted tests to ensure the issue is not cable, speaker, speaker wire or amp channel related. I can reproduce the issue to any speaker in my room as long as I connect that speaker to the XLR middle overhead outputs on the RMC. I've also connected my middle overhead speakers to the front overhead output channel and played the same opening scene and I had no issue. OK. Sorry for asking. I haven’t been here and read about all your testing history and equipment you have. So the problem seems to be top middle? Then of course I haven’t experienced it as I only have a 7.2.4 setup. Is it true that no other using OPPO 203/205 using bitstream with x.x.6 setup can reproduce this? Should be simple if it’s RMCs fault I would think. Especially if you can reproduce it at exact time stamps even. I saw that Emotiva have put in a feature I asked why it was missing before, Diagnostic Logs in Advanced Menu. I hope this logs everything live to USB if used.. Should then be simpler for Emotiva to just ask for a log file when an error has occured. But maybe it’s something simpler?
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Post by goubda on Jul 22, 2019 15:22:30 GMT -5
Hi
Little help needed selecting the correct config for my Atmos speakers. I currently have a 5.1.2 setup with the ceiling-mounted Atmos speakers middle (slightly more to the rear) of the room in front of the listening area.
1. Should I be using the Front or Rear height speakers output? 2. what speaker size should I use, top front or top middle?
Cheers
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 22, 2019 15:45:33 GMT -5
Hi Little help needed selecting the correct config for my Atmos speakers. I currently have a 5.1.2 setup with the ceiling-mounted Atmos speakers middle (slightly more to the rear) of the room in front of the listening area. 1. Should I be using the Front or Rear height speakers output? 2. what speaker size should I use, top front or top middle? Cheers I think Dolby recommends putting the speakers a little infront of you when using 2 height top speakers. Then set them to top front in the processor. In your case you’ll probably have to connect to subwoofer left/right and choose top middle. Size? Small of course.. Edit: link to Dolby www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/5.1.2-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.htmlI was wrong, little infront and choose top middle is what Dolby recommends.
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Post by doozer on Jul 22, 2019 17:43:59 GMT -5
I have a Lumagen Pro (4446) in my chain. I run all sources to my Lumagen then audio only to the RMC-1 and with this setup I get all the audio types. I have tried it the other way where audio and video pass through the RMC-1 and while I am able to get audio and video its not 100% stable, it was the same way with my Anthem AVM60, I would lose HDMI every once in a while so for a couple years now I just use the Lumagen for all switching as its been rock solid that way. Twism ; as a 1 time dvdo duo owner I had troubles getting edids to be read in some configs . Came across this post that seems relevant to the latest lpcm issues and format selection ..Lumagen certainly have very comprehensive menu's as a rule www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/2172017-new-lumagen-radiance-pro-series-116.html#post56848654
Thanks everyone, I'll try these suggestions. I was really hoping to be able to see the RMC-1 overlay on the video output, but I guess I can live without it.
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Post by goozoo on Jul 22, 2019 20:07:34 GMT -5
Finally had a chance to try the remote control apps with the new firmware. The network connection is unreliable (very unreliable compared to 1.3). Have tried with and without DHCP enabled without success. The only change on my end is the firmware. With 1.3 the iOS and PC control apps connected consistently and reliably. The apps show the "RMC-1" as a device option to be selected soo I have to believe that there's some communication. The unit also doesn't seem to like an active HDMI source to be switched off while the unit is on - caused my unit to freeze (here we go again ). I was never able to get mine to work even with version 1.3. You need a universal remote until/if Emo decides to come out with a real web interface to control the thing. I did the Harmony route (although we have access to other systems) just to keep things simple. Works reliably and can be had for as little as $50.
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Post by deewan on Jul 22, 2019 20:20:43 GMT -5
I saw that Emotiva have put in a feature I asked why it was missing before, Diagnostic Logs in Advanced Menu. I hope this logs everything live to USB if used.. Should then be simpler for Emotiva to just ask for a log file when an error has occured. But maybe it’s something simpler? I've asked Emotiva about this. Lonnie is unsure of its operation. When I spoke to Damon today on the phone he said he didn't know anything about it other than it exists. From two weekends ago I was able to determine you need to have a USB plugged into the front of the RMC, then enable that feature... I'm assuming at that point the RMC begins to write to the USB stick. But that is a guess and it might be all the information available at this point until someone tries it.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 22, 2019 22:57:30 GMT -5
The last couple weeks have brought new subwoofers and a new amp into my system, my R/C/L moved slightly too, so I really needed to redo my distance and level settings. For the sake of this thread I decided to adjust my speakers to the test tone reference to give RMC-1 owners with 1.4 a comparison to one specific XMC-1. You can see the gear on the HT line in my signature, the amp is 29 dB gain, and the speakers 88 dB w/ 2.83V @ 1M. My center speaker is about 11’ from my MLP. Normally I set the center to 0 and adjust the other speakers to the same SPL. This time I used the 85 dB test level and set all of the speakers to 85 dBC SPL. My subs were set at -10 dB below their maximum gain. I used a UMIK-1 directly into an iPad Pro 11 (USB-C), and the SPL Pro function of the AudioTools App. I confirmed the UMIK calibration with an iTest Mic into an iPhone X with AudioTools, and a Radio Shack SPL meter. I don’t know if it will help with the 1.3 / 1.4 level discussion, but here it is (a photo seemed easiest to me). Edit: I forgot, I’m kind of baffled that the levels came out so evenly, I checked them a couple times and will probably do it again tomorrow, they’ve never been so consistent.
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 23, 2019 1:35:36 GMT -5
Finally had a chance to try the remote control apps with the new firmware. The network connection is unreliable (very unreliable compared to 1.3). Have tried with and without DHCP enabled without success. The only change on my end is the firmware. With 1.3 the iOS and PC control apps connected consistently and reliably. The apps show the "RMC-1" as a device option to be selected soo I have to believe that there's some communication. The unit also doesn't seem to like an active HDMI source to be switched off while the unit is on - caused my unit to freeze (here we go again ). I was never able to get mine to work even with version 1.3. You need a universal remote until/if Emo decides to come out with a real web interface to control the thing. I did the Harmony route (although we have access to other systems) just to keep things simple. Works reliably and can be had for as little as $50. Yes, Harmony works fine. You even get some features not available with the original remote. Like direct button to Reference Stereo, to all inputs and all modes. You also see some remaining old code. Pressing Mode DTS for example shows DTS Neo 6: Cinema on the display. Mode Dolby does the same with Dolby ProLogic. Seems like old code from XMC is still left.
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Post by goubda on Jul 23, 2019 3:24:04 GMT -5
Hi Little help needed selecting the correct config for my Atmos speakers. I currently have a 5.1.2 setup with the ceiling-mounted Atmos speakers middle (slightly more to the rear) of the room in front of the listening area. 1. Should I be using the Front or Rear height speakers output? 2. what speaker size should I use, top front or top middle? Cheers I think Dolby recommends putting the speakers a little infront of you when using 2 height top speakers. Then set them to top front in the processor. In your case you’ll probably have to connect to subwoofer left/right and choose top middle. Size? Small of course.. Edit: link to Dolby www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/5.1.2-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.htmlI was wrong, little infront and choose top middle is what Dolby recommends. Cheers, this is how I had it set, Top Middle, but I started to question it asfter listening to the Dolby DTS:X 7.1.4 Callout Audio file. Everything sounds fine except when it does top front and its about a third of the volume. set the speakers to top front and it all sounds ok. Admitidly this is DTS:X and not Atmos.
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Post by tom9933 on Jul 23, 2019 6:10:15 GMT -5
Which harmony model are you using? IR only or the one that talks to the hub and then talks to the devices through the network?
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 23, 2019 7:33:57 GMT -5
I think Dolby recommends putting the speakers a little infront of you when using 2 height top speakers. Then set them to top front in the processor. In your case you’ll probably have to connect to subwoofer left/right and choose top middle. Size? Small of course.. Edit: link to Dolby www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/5.1.2-overhead-speaker-setup-guide.htmlI was wrong, little infront and choose top middle is what Dolby recommends. Cheers, this is how I had it set, Top Middle, but I started to question it asfter listening to the Dolby DTS:X 7.1.4 Callout Audio file. Everything sounds fine except when it does top front and its about a third of the volume. set the speakers to top front and it all sounds ok. Admitidly this is DTS:X and not Atmos. Actually top middle doesn’t exist for DTS:X.. If I’m not mistaken. But maybe Neural:X upmixes to it?!
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 23, 2019 7:36:12 GMT -5
Which harmony model are you using? IR only or the one that talks to the hub and then talks to the devices through the network? I have Harmony Ultimate with the hub. it does IR, RF, Network and even bluetooth if I remember correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 9:17:02 GMT -5
With regard to ir control, I have an automation controller that uses an emitter directly connected to the front and it works 85-90% of the time (probably as good as it will get for a while). I like the apps because they make it easy/convenient to listen to music using Roon on either my PC or IPad. There is some leftover code for the XMC-1, but the app is still effective for basic functionality on the RMC-1.
AudioHTIT - you should power cycle your unit and re-check the levels (I would do it twice). At least check your setup using the 75 & 65db test tones as well.
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Post by deewan on Jul 23, 2019 9:39:08 GMT -5
A quick update regarding the crackle/static I continue to hear in the middle overhead speakers while using 6 overhead speakers. I sent my user configuration file to Damon last night so they could duplicate my setup as close as possible. Today I was told Emotiva was able to reproduce the crackle and static sound from the middle overhead speakers in a movie other than Justice League. I had been using the Justice League opening scene as my testing reference. There was a fix for the static created in the code, however is appears with FW 1.4 that fix was commented out (made inactive) by accident while attempting to make the RMC run more efficient.
For anyone who has six overhead speakers, I would wager you likely will experience the same static/crackle fro the overhead middle speakers while listening to an Atmos soundtrack until the next FW is released and that code fix is active.
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Post by SOWK on Jul 23, 2019 9:55:36 GMT -5
Little disheartening they need to add code to remove static but at least they know about it.
***Although I am not a software engineer, so I have no idea if this is normal or not.***
Makes me wonder if there is something inherently wrong with the RMC-1 to be honest. If all the fixes need "work arounds"
Not sure we would get a completely honest answer though.
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Post by deewan on Jul 23, 2019 11:38:57 GMT -5
Little disheartening they need to add code to remove static but at least they know about it. ***Although I am not a software engineer, so I have no idea if this is normal or not.***
Makes me wonder if there is something inherently wrong with the RMC-1 to be honest. If all the fixes need "work arounds"
Not sure we would get a completely honest answer though.
My opinion... the static is a product of how the upmixed channels are being created by the chip. Not that there is static originally there and it needs to be removed. My biggest concern was that an issue I reported, and continued to report seemed to be met with "it must be your setup/equipment and we've spent a lot of time trying to fix your issues" instead of "let us regression test and make sure we actually fixed the issue and ensure the item is resolved". If the fix was there, but then commented out (deactivated) there was not the proper amount of regression testing before the FW was released.
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Post by Bonzo on Jul 23, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -5
Little disheartening they need to add code to remove static but at least they know about it. ***Although I am not a software engineer, so I have no idea if this is normal or not.***
Makes me wonder if there is something inherently wrong with the RMC-1 to be honest. If all the fixes need "work arounds"
Not sure we would get a completely honest answer though.
My opinion... the static is a product of how the upmixed channels are being created by the chip. Not that there is static originally there and it needs to be removed. My biggest concern was that an issue I reported, and continued to report seemed to be met with "it must be your setup/equipment and we've spent a lot of time trying to fix your issues" instead of "let us regression test and make sure we actually fixed the issue and ensure the item is resolved". If the fix was there, but then commented out (deactivated) there was not the proper amount of regression testing before the FW was released. deewan = Job Your patience are remarkable.
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Post by twism on Jul 23, 2019 12:02:08 GMT -5
My opinion... the static is a product of how the upmixed channels are being created by the chip. Not that there is static originally there and it needs to be removed. My biggest concern was that an issue I reported, and continued to report seemed to be met with "it must be your setup/equipment and we've spent a lot of time trying to fix your issues" instead of "let us regression test and make sure we actually fixed the issue and ensure the item is resolved". If the fix was there, but then commented out (deactivated) there was not the proper amount of regression testing before the FW was released. deewan = Job Your patience are remarkable. Agree, He should get his RMC-1 for free. I have not see anyone as dedicated as him to helping a company out when he hasn't really needed to, I feel like he is one of the main reasons why the RMC-1 getting better as he is continually pushing to make it better.
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