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Post by hsamwel on Oct 16, 2019 6:05:48 GMT -5
I have no problem with DTS, neither 5.1/7.1 MA or DTS:X material,, What’s the problem your having? Everything is pretty much solid when watching movies from bluray on my setup. I have a Oppo 103, Pioneer LX-800, AppleTV 4k, a TV box connected to RMC. I have a Sony 4k TV and a Panasonic 1080p projector. I used to have ALOT of hdmi resyncs.. These, I found out, were caused by the TV box which I then reconfigured and almost all my problems has gone away. You probably have one or two devices connected through hdmi that causes havoc with RMC.. Have you tried to remove all hdmi devices and reconnect them one by one to find out which is causing the problem? This problem arises mainly with streamed content from a server usually and not disc. For those that have a library, it is problematic as they don’t store multiple language formats on what they rip. Haven’t seen this problem with any of the other processors that we have installed. Ahh so it’s streamed movies from a local hard disc using Nvidia Shield then I guess? Then it must be something that those files have been made, or Nvidia Shield does, that is not standard.. But it should be easy for Emotiva to check what they do differently. It’s not like Nvidia Shield is an esoteric device..
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Post by cwt on Oct 16, 2019 6:28:04 GMT -5
I thought I had read posts which described Emotiva's RMC-1 volume control as a stepped resistor ladder network similar to Benchmark's. I believe this was given as a reason for the RMC-1 being limited to 0.5dB steps in channel and overall volume adjustments. I stumbled onto a slick I received at CES 2017 which reads: * Cirrus CS3318 lossless resistor ladder volume controls for main zone, 0.5dB resolution * Cirrus CS3310 lossless resistor ladder volume controls for secondary zones, 0.5dB resolution I see on the RMC-1 product page, "high-quality analog ladder network volume control". Is this still the Cirrus CS3318 and CS3310 (-96 dB to +22 dB in ¼ dB steps)? While I can see how one can refer to these volume controls as analog or resistor ladders, I do not believe they are comparable to the Benchmark design. www.cirrus.com/products/cs3308-18/Ime guessing Richb has had a look under the lid in regards ? Needless to say volume controls wear out quicker when they have finer gradations so its a trade off imho www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/3040246-monoprice-htp-1-announced-16ch-9-1-6-atmos-surround-sound-processor-33.html#post58685952The XMR1 is still coming afaik ; in the same vein as the Emersa EMP1 is still coming ..
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Post by goozoo on Oct 16, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5
This problem arises mainly with streamed content from a server usually and not disc. For those that have a library, it is problematic as they don’t store multiple language formats on what they rip. Haven’t seen this problem with any of the other processors that we have installed. Ahh so it’s streamed movies from a local hard disc using Nvidia Shield then I guess? Then it must be something that those files have been made, or Nvidia Shield does, that is not standard.. But it should be easy for Emotiva to check what they do differently. It’s not like Nvidia Shield is an esoteric device.. It’s not just Nvidia and it’s not that it is doing anything to the file other than passing the audio through. This is also problematic with other streamers. It is the way that the RMC1 tries to lock onto a DTS signal that is flawed and loses the lock. They have been aware of this for months and have no solution to date.
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Post by deewan on Oct 16, 2019 7:57:14 GMT -5
Ahh so it’s streamed movies from a local hard disc using Nvidia Shield then I guess? Then it must be something that those files have been made, or Nvidia Shield does, that is not standard.. But it should be easy for Emotiva to check what they do differently. It’s not like Nvidia Shield is an esoteric device.. As goozoo stated, it's not only Nvidia and it's not only streaming content.... but that is the majority of issues. I've sent video to Emotiva showing the RMC having difficulty locking onto DTS (mostly lossy) from a disc using my Oppo. I'd have to look for my posts, but it's been 6-8 weeks or more since I posted about it. I know Emotiva is working on it. When I first found the issue is when I discovered switching to any other audio track on the disc (or streamed content) and then back would resolve the issue.
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Post by deviate2112 on Oct 16, 2019 8:16:56 GMT -5
*Sigh* The big brown truck dropped off my new RMC-1L today. I was as giddy as a little school boy...opened the box and set the unit on top of my soon to be replaced Marantz AV8802a, unplugged and re-plugged into the RMC-1L...then I had to go pick up dinner...didn't even turn it on. Speed dated my dinner, powered up the RMC, ran into my theater...BAM...I got picture (HTPC)...sweet. Set out to start doing the set-up. Ran through distance, size..then got to Levels...clicked over to low...no sound...moved up to med...no sound...ok, made sure my amps were on..yup...all on...well let me shut it off and turn it back on..works for computers right? I used the remote, shut it down...waited...power button pushed...waited...waited...then err: Init AXMC1... Hard restart power off from the back switch...back on...waited...err: Init AXMC1... WTF!!!! Brand new...and of course it's too late to call tonight...am I doing something wrong? Not starting out good Emotiva...That Marantz 8805 sure is looking good...oh but the RMC sounds so much better....REALLY because I wouldn't know! Did you really try the RMC-1 set up for the first time with a HTPC, that's a very brave move. Personally I would have started with a nice clean 4K BD in a know player and then progressed up the difficulty scale in regards to sources. Starting with the worst possible candidate is quite some risk taking, hats off to you for being that confident. Cheers Gary Silly me thinking a brand new $4000 piece of gear would actually work. I do 99.999% of my viewing/listening with my HTPC, it that doesn't work then it's going back very soon.
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Post by deviate2112 on Oct 16, 2019 8:25:01 GMT -5
I have no problem with DTS, neither 5.1/7.1 MA or DTS:X material,, What’s the problem your having? Everything is pretty much solid when watching movies from bluray on my setup. I have a Oppo 103, Pioneer LX-800, AppleTV 4k, a TV box connected to RMC. I have a Sony 4k TV and a Panasonic 1080p projector. I used to have ALOT of hdmi resyncs.. These, I found out, were caused by the TV box which I then reconfigured and almost all my problems has gone away. You probably have one or two devices connected through hdmi that causes havoc with RMC.. Have you tried to remove all hdmi devices and reconnect them one by one to find out which is causing the problem? This problem arises mainly with streamed content from a server usually and not disc. For those that have a library, it is problematic as they don’t store multiple language formats on what they rip. Haven’t seen this problem with any of the other processors that we have installed. That didn't work either. Now on the phone to Emo. Does not bode well...I was really thinking maybe...just maybe they could produce a solid product.
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Post by rbk123 on Oct 16, 2019 8:32:18 GMT -5
I do 99.999% of my viewing/listening with my HTPC, it that doesn't work then it's going back very soon. Same here. No point in messing around with other devices as it would have to work with the HTPC or it would go back. Might as well get straight into the root-canal and figure out how to make it work.
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Post by deviate2112 on Oct 16, 2019 8:52:39 GMT -5
So a quick update.
From people's recommendations on here I unhooked everything, waited 10 minutes or so, plugged in the power only, rebooted only to get the err msg. again. I called customer service and within two minutes they are shipping out a new unit today and sending me a ups label. Excellent customer service! Thank you Emo, let's hope the next one is a keeper.
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Post by goozoo on Oct 16, 2019 14:48:00 GMT -5
So a quick update. From people's recommendations on here I unhooked everything, waited 10 minutes or so, plugged in the power only, rebooted only to get the err msg. again. I called customer service and within two minutes they are shipping out a new unit today and sending me a ups label. Excellent customer service! Thank you Emo, let's hope the next one is a keeper. Just so there is clarification, the unit was initially working but got no audio for the test signal then upon reset, firmware crashed and would not boot. It would be wise to note that swapping out to a new processor does not diagnose the root cause of the problem (which appears to be software based) and thus cannot guarantee that it would not happen again at a future date after the return window closes following DIRAC release. So the real question is whether or not this is the processor you want to stick with through thick or thin? Sorry to be blunt as we all love getting new toys, but just looking at the long term picture. Personally speaking, I think Emotiva should keep the return window open until ALL issues have been fixed and they stop shipping out defective/ unstable product.
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Post by deviate2112 on Oct 16, 2019 14:56:49 GMT -5
I agree that I think Emo should extend the return/warranty date. Like I stated in my last post. They are sending me out a new unit today. Hopefully it was just a weird/bad issue.
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 16, 2019 15:13:27 GMT -5
Did you really try the RMC-1 set up for the first time with a HTPC, that's a very brave move. Personally I would have started with a nice clean 4K BD in a know player and then progressed up the difficulty scale in regards to sources. Starting with the worst possible candidate is quite some risk taking, hats off to you for being that confident. Silly me thinking a brand new $4000 piece of gear would actually work. I do 99.999% of my viewing/listening with my HTPC, it that doesn't work then it's going back very soon. I think you missed the point, you started off with the well known most likely to cause issues source, which lead to lots of questions about which piece of hardware and/or software was the problem. Followed by lots of suggestions on things to try. Whereas starting off with a less suspect source would have lead to a more simpler answer, much faster. Of course you want it to work with your HTPC, but starting off with that is like Mt Everest being the first mountain you attempt to climb. Cheers Gary
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Post by deviate2112 on Oct 16, 2019 15:22:16 GMT -5
Silly me thinking a brand new $4000 piece of gear would actually work. I do 99.999% of my viewing/listening with my HTPC, it that doesn't work then it's going back very soon. I think you missed the point, you started off with the well known most likely to cause issues source, which lead to lots of questions about which piece of hardware and/or software was the problem. Followed by lots of suggestions on things to try. Whereas starting off with a less suspect source would have lead to a more simpler answer, much faster. Of course you want it to work with your HTPC, but starting off with that is like Mt Everest being the first mountain you attempt to climb. Cheers Gary Well when I receive the new unit I'll start off with my Blu-ray player and go from there...which the next thing and only other thing I used is my HTPC.
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 16, 2019 16:31:29 GMT -5
I agree that I think Emo should extend the return/warranty date. Like I stated in my last post. They are sending me out a new unit today. Hopefully it was just a weird/bad issue. Doesn't the return/warranty date begin when Dirac is delivered?
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Post by richb on Oct 16, 2019 19:08:54 GMT -5
My RMC-1 in now installed.
Overall, the sound quality is excellent. I notice that Dolby Digital from FIOS seems clearer, especially in the center channel than the XMC-1. The Dolby upmixer is a huge improvement for 2.0 content. The center is extended and the bass is not lost.
There is one new behavior that has me baffled. The system is configured with 5.1 speakers. The ATV4K DD+ from Netflix and Amazon Prime are much softer than the XMC-1. It is most noticeable when switching between direct and reference stereo.
For example, I'll watch FIOS TV from the Bolt+ DD 5.1 sources at -30 but have to switch to -22 for ATV4K DD+ 5.1/Atmos sources.
Should it work like this?
- Rich
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 16, 2019 22:58:29 GMT -5
So I’ve been going through the Harry Potter collection in 4K, which also includes a DTS:X soundtrack (my only DTS disks). While the RMC-1 reports DTS:X, what it sounds like I’m getting is very good DTS-HDMA, as far as I can tell (now through five disks) I’ve never had any program coming from my height speakers. I assume this is part of the DTS issue that’s been reported.
Unrelated to sound or picture, my wife is also noticing that the 4K release is abridged in some way, she remembers specific scenes that are missing.
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Post by cwt on Oct 17, 2019 5:02:19 GMT -5
There is one new behavior that has me baffled. The system is configured with 5.1 speakers. The ATV4K DD+ from Netflix and Amazon Prime are much softer than the XMC-1. It is most noticeable when switching between direct and reference stereo. For example, I'll watch FIOS TV from the Bolt+ DD 5.1 sources at -30 but have to switch to -22 for ATV4K DD+ 5.1/Atmos sources. Should it work like this? - Rich Congrats Only thing I can think of is the dolby dial norm metadata on one of the sources isn't consistent with the other . Or its the RMC1's reading of it ?
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Post by hsamwel on Oct 17, 2019 5:48:34 GMT -5
So I’ve been going through the Harry Potter collection in 4K, which also includes a DTS:X soundtrack (my only DTS disks). While the RMC-1 reports DTS:X, what it sounds like I’m getting is very good DTS-HDMA, as far as I can tell (now through five disks) I’ve never had any program coming from my height speakers. I assume this is part of the DTS issue that’s been reported. Unrelated to sound or picture, my wife is also noticing that the 4K release is abridged in some way, she remembers specific scenes that are missing. I did go through the same set of discs and I had quite alot top speaker sounds.. But as with many discs (both atmos and dts:x) how much height effects depend on each disc. Some discs I have had to stand up and put my ear to the speakers to find out if they’re on. Sitting in the sweetspot I have noticed that harder to hear single effects. It’s more like your sitting in a bubble of effects and sounds.. You simply get more involved into the movie.. I have a 7.2.4 setup with 4 top front and top rear. Not optimal for DTS:X..
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Post by richb on Oct 17, 2019 6:11:07 GMT -5
There is one new behavior that has me baffled. The system is configured with 5.1 speakers. The ATV4K DD+ from Netflix and Amazon Prime are much softer than the XMC-1. It is most noticeable when switching between direct and reference stereo. For example, I'll watch FIOS TV from the Bolt+ DD 5.1 sources at -30 but have to switch to -22 for ATV4K DD+ 5.1/Atmos sources. Should it work like this? - Rich Congrats Only thing I can think of is the dolby dial norm metadata on one of the sources isn't consistent with the other . Or its the XMC2's reading of it ? That is possible is there a way to display the dialog norm setting. The DTS upmixer is at an even lower level. - Rich
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Post by cwt on Oct 17, 2019 7:48:29 GMT -5
Congrats Only thing I can think of is the dolby dial norm metadata on one of the sources isn't consistent with the other . Or its the XMC2's reading of it ? That is possible is there a way to display the dialog norm setting. The DTS upmixer is at an even lower level. - Rich Theres a you tube video Nick posted about different options on the 2 oled gui's which are configurable . In other pre pros its something that usually flashes on screen for a few milliseconds and is gone . An owner can confirm hopefully . When you mention the db level of the dts neural I remember how dts was always a few db hotter than dd back in the day ; so if its not mastering levels it may be connected with the current dts issues some are experiencing ?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 17, 2019 7:49:53 GMT -5
So I’ve been going through the Harry Potter collection in 4K, which also includes a DTS:X soundtrack (my only DTS disks). While the RMC-1 reports DTS:X, what it sounds like I’m getting is very good DTS-HDMA, as far as I can tell (now through five disks) I’ve never had any program coming from my height speakers. I assume this is part of the DTS issue that’s been reported. Unrelated to sound or picture, my wife is also noticing that the 4K release is abridged in some way, she remembers specific scenes that are missing. I did go through the same set of discs and I had quite alot top speaker sounds.. But as with many discs (both atmos and dts:x) how much height effects depend on each disc. Some discs I have had to stand up and put my ear to the speakers to find out if they’re on. Sitting in the sweetspot I have noticed that harder to hear single effects. It’s more like your sitting in a bubble of effects and sounds.. You simply get more involved into the movie.. I have a 7.2.4 setup with 4 top front and top rear. Not optimal for DTS:X.. Thanks for that, there are times it sounds like the bubble you describe (a good term), but I have the ability to get right next to my height speakers, and never actually hear anything, it’s possible it’s just timing. If you know a specific disk and scene I can stand there while it’s playing. I only have 7.2.2, set to middle, maybe that’s the problem (does DTS have a middle?)
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