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Post by cwt on Jan 26, 2020 0:44:59 GMT -5
But Auro is your demand, not a demand or criteria of the market. The only reason why so many (specially in Europe) ask for or buy an Auro 3D AV is because of the Cross Upmixer.
Some owner of homecinemas I know, have all kicked Auro already out and went back to the standard Atmos/DTS.X Setup (and Speaker Layout). Auro is for sure not the holy grail.
Its a headscratcher wanting auro3d indeed ; its even acknowledged by van baelen that the 3 layer hemisphere is incompatible with atmos so its a compromise when your running ceiling speakers for atmos etc. That goes double for channel limited models like the 8805 . Ide rather something like logic16 for a dsp upmixer as unlikely as that proprietary mode will turn up . I wonder what made Emo go sour on the home grown dsp mode? Too much R&D with other things more urgent I guess ..
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Post by MonsieurAl on Jan 26, 2020 5:29:13 GMT -5
But Auro is your demand, not a demand or criteria of the market. The only reason why so many (specially in Europe) ask for or buy an Auro 3D AV is because of the Cross Upmixer.
Some owner of homecinemas I know, have all kicked Auro already out and went back to the standard Atmos/DTS.X Setup (and Speaker Layout). Auro is for sure not the holy grail.
Its a headscratcher wanting auro3d indeed ; its even acknowledged by van baelen that the 3 layer hemisphere is incompatible with atmos so its a compromise when your running ceiling speakers for atmos etc. That goes double for channel limited models like the 8805 . Ide rather something like logic16 for a dsp upmixer as unlikely as that proprietary mode will turn up . I wonder what made Emo go sour on the home grown dsp mode? Too much R&D with other things more urgent I guess .. I will not get into a debate ... "again" if EMOTIVA have respected these promises of departure for the RMC1 I would not be wondering if I keep or not this pre-pro. When I compare the qualities and functionality between the htp-1 and the rmc-1 there is nothing more to hope for from Emotiva! I love the RMC my I hate their designers because they do not respect their customers who paid dearly for their product which will never be successful. Finally my choice will be for the JBL sdp55 or Storm Audio. I give up my idea of buying av8805.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 5:34:21 GMT -5
I wait for the Stormaudio ISP 3D.16 ELITE MK2.
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Post by steelman1991 on Jan 26, 2020 6:25:22 GMT -5
Its a headscratcher wanting auro3d indeed ; its even acknowledged by van baelen that the 3 layer hemisphere is incompatible with atmos so its a compromise when your running ceiling speakers for atmos etc. That goes double for channel limited models like the 8805 . Ide rather something like logic16 for a dsp upmixer as unlikely as that proprietary mode will turn up . I wonder what made Emo go sour on the home grown dsp mode? Too much R&D with other things more urgent I guess .. I will not get into a debate ... "again" if EMOTIVA have respected these promises of departure for the RMC1 I would not be wondering if I keep or not this pre-pro. When I compare the qualities and functionality between the htp-1 and the rmc-1 there is nothing more to hope for from Emotiva! I love the RMC my I hate their designers because they do not respect their customers who paid dearly for their product which will never be successful. Finally my choice will be for the JBL sdp55 or Storm Audio. I give up my idea of buying av8805. You're clearly not a "novice" in this game - certainly judging by your kit list, therefore I'm sure you are also aware that you never buy equipment on the "promise of future development". Most experienced users will know to buy only products that fulfill their needs at the time of purchase, not promises of future feature sets. Yet you did, so there's no point whining about the lack of a development path for your "feature wish list". I think it's time for you to move on, rather than continually being critical of a product that doesn't a) do what you want, or b) is developed as quickly and as frequently as you demand.
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Post by aswiss on Jan 26, 2020 6:44:19 GMT -5
But Auro is your demand, not a demand or criteria of the market. The only reason why so many (specially in Europe) ask for or buy an Auro 3D AV is because of the Cross Upmixer.
Some owner of homecinemas I know, have all kicked Auro already out and went back to the standard Atmos/DTS.X Setup (and Speaker Layout). Auro is for sure not the holy grail.
Its a headscratcher wanting auro3d indeed ; its even acknowledged by van baelen that the 3 layer hemisphere is incompatible with atmos so its a compromise when your running ceiling speakers for atmos etc. That goes double for channel limited models like the 8805 . Ide rather something like logic16 for a dsp upmixer as unlikely as that proprietary mode will turn up . I wonder what made Emo go sour on the home grown dsp mode? Too much R&D with other things more urgent I guess .. We don't know for sure. And the Auro 3D Upmixer is not always the best choice. Too much from top, and things from top, which should never come from Top (like voices).
It is like it is - each one uf us do listen different, have different requirements, setups, rooms, so most of the devices cannot cover up everything, and then leading into a compromise. No one was forced to buy a RMC-1.
What I expect is that marketing promises are now leaded into a functional, stable RMC-1.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 26, 2020 10:44:58 GMT -5
Its a headscratcher wanting auro3d indeed ; its even acknowledged by van baelen that the 3 layer hemisphere is incompatible with atmos so its a compromise when your running ceiling speakers for atmos etc. That goes double for channel limited models like the 8805 . Ide rather something like logic16 for a dsp upmixer as unlikely as that proprietary mode will turn up . I wonder what made Emo go sour on the home grown dsp mode? Too much R&D with other things more urgent I guess .. We don't know for sure. And the Auro 3D Upmixer is not always the best choice. Too much from top, and things from top, which should never come from Top (like voices).
It is like it is - each one uf us do listen different, have different requirements, setups, rooms, so most of the devices cannot cover up everything, and then leading into a compromise. No one was forced to buy a RMC-1.
What I expect is that marketing promises are now leaded into a functional, stable RMC-1.
Althoughi don’t believe Emotiva will add ton of features and formats. I think they will need to just to keep up with ALL the rest which have several things missing from RMC. DSD support alone will not help. IMO Auro3D, IMAX enhanced, a real GUI, an app, internet firmware update should be added after stability and Dirac.. The app and GUI should have a professional look and not look and feel like something thrown together in an afternoon..
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Post by MonsieurAl on Jan 26, 2020 12:25:29 GMT -5
I will not get into a debate ... "again" if EMOTIVA have respected these promises of departure for the RMC1 I would not be wondering if I keep or not this pre-pro. When I compare the qualities and functionality between the htp-1 and the rmc-1 there is nothing more to hope for from Emotiva! I love the RMC my I hate their designers because they do not respect their customers who paid dearly for their product which will never be successful. Finally my choice will be for the JBL sdp55 or Storm Audio. I give up my idea of buying av8805. You're clearly not a "novice" in this game - certainly judging by your kit list, therefore I'm sure you are also aware that you never buy equipment on the "promise of future development". Most experienced users will know to buy only products that fulfill their needs at the time of purchase, not promises of future feature sets. Yet you did, so there's no point whining about the lack of a development path for your "feature wish list". I think it's time for you to move on, rather than continually being critical of a product that doesn't a) do what you want, or b) is developed as quickly and as frequently as you demand. I bought the rmc-1 out of passion for the Emotiva brand because I was a fan boy and I was very satisfied with the couple xmc-1 and av8805, but I made a mistake by buying with my eyes closed.
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Post by bblv on Jan 26, 2020 22:06:04 GMT -5
You're clearly not a "novice" in this game - certainly judging by your kit list, therefore I'm sure you are also aware that you never buy equipment on the "promise of future development". Most experienced users will know to buy only products that fulfill their needs at the time of purchase, not promises of future feature sets. Yet you did, so there's no point whining about the lack of a development path for your "feature wish list". I think it's time for you to move on, rather than continually being critical of a product that doesn't a) do what you want, or b) is developed as quickly and as frequently as you demand. I bought the rmc-1 out of passion for the Emotiva brand because I was a fan boy and I was very satisfied with the couple xmc-1 and av8805, but I made a mistake by buying with my eyes closed. Same here. Thankfully they offer an industry-best return policy. Sounds like you're about at that point to take advantage of the return policy and move on, for better or worse... In my situation, I'm still buttoning up my theater room construction, so I haven't even fired it up yet. I've been following along and hoping for the best and it looks like my timing might turn out to be pretty good for both a fairly stable firmware release and Dirac, both coming shortly.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 27, 2020 12:51:23 GMT -5
Emotiva answered on youtube 4 days ago that Dirac is being tested and info will be released soon..
Why no info on the forums when people have asked several times?
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Post by TDifEQ on Jan 27, 2020 14:42:24 GMT -5
Be nice if RMC-1'S Dirac announcement, even if delayed, includes testing with a speaker/channel expansion module.
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Post by andersmi on Jan 27, 2020 15:10:06 GMT -5
Emotiva answered on youtube 4 days ago that Dirac is being tested and info will be released soon.. Why no info on the forums when people have asked several times? Where did you see this? Can't seem to find it.
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 27, 2020 15:31:17 GMT -5
Check out the comments under the Big Dan promotion 3 prepro video.. Emotiva answers one of the questions about Dirac.
edit: Quote - Emotiva Audio: We are testing it internally and should have an announcement soon!
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Post by hsamwel on Jan 27, 2020 15:40:45 GMT -5
Be nice if RMC-1'S Dirac announcement, even if delayed, includes testing with a speaker/channel expansion module. I’m always nice Just wondering why they have avoided to answer this question here for several months. Just to answer a quicky on youtube.. Here you have all the customers that more than any deserve answers and information before any others IMO. Personally I don’t care if Dirac is delayed a couple of months as long as I know it will come. I would rather they release a perfect implementation than half baked one.. Better to work on the user friendliness of the user interface in the meantime. Don’t know how nice it will be to work with Dirac 2.0 with this text based DOS interface..
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Post by ttocs on Jan 27, 2020 16:02:42 GMT -5
Be nice if RMC-1'S Dirac announcement, even if delayed, includes testing with a speaker/channel expansion module. I’m always nice I think he meant "It would" be nice if . . . . . We all know you're nice. It's nice to be nice.
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Post by Thunderduck on Jan 27, 2020 17:47:34 GMT -5
In the Advanced selection under Setup, there is a menu choice named "Diagnostic Logs". It comes right after "Firmware Update". Does anyone know what this is used for? I cannot find it in the Owner's Manual, either paper or online. If it is what it sounds like, can this be used to troubleshoot issues with the RMC and if so, has anyone used it for that purpose? It appears that in order to use this function (?), a usb device needs to be inserted.
Thanks much,
Steve
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Post by deewan on Jan 27, 2020 18:32:49 GMT -5
In the Advanced selection under Setup, there is a menu choice named "Diagnostic Logs". It comes right after "Firmware Update". Does anyone know what this is used for? I cannot find it in the Owner's Manual, either paper or online. If it is what it sounds like, can this be used to troubleshoot issues with the RMC and if so, has anyone used it for that purpose? It appears that in order to use this function (?), a usb device needs to be inserted. Thanks much, Steve *I would recommend NOT doing this unless instructed by Emotiva*My little knowledge of that option is as follows: You must have a USB memory card plugged into the front of the RMC and then select (turn on) this option. At that point the RMC will begin writing logs to the USB that I believe can help aid in trouble shooting if the issue/error can be produced at the time the option is selected. My understanding is selecting this option really slows down the RMC.
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Post by Thunderduck on Jan 27, 2020 22:04:41 GMT -5
Thanks much, will follow your advice.
Steve
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Post by nospam on Jan 27, 2020 22:41:10 GMT -5
Personally I don’t care if Dirac is delayed a couple of months as long as I know it will come. I would rather they release a perfect implementation than half baked one.. What will users' reactions be if Dirac ends up runnong at 48kHz and not 96kHz? Dirac is not like Audyssey. You don't run it on the processor itself. You run it on a PC/Mac. live.dirac.com/content/uploads/2019/05/dirac-live-quick-start-print-version.pdf
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Post by jim80z on Jan 28, 2020 0:58:26 GMT -5
Personally I don’t care if Dirac is delayed a couple of months as long as I know it will come. I would rather they release a perfect implementation than half baked one.. What will users' reactions be if Dirac ends up runnong at 48kHz and not 96kHz? My instant reaction is 1. What a waste of such a capable unit by not going to 96kHz+ 2. I bought a step change unit and expect it to be that and more via the expansion modules......Im still pretty optimistic it will be that. I also purchased it knowing it would be a development/work in progress. 3. Always keep your promises: ".....Dirac Live automatic room correction, running on all 16 channels at a full 96 kHz sample rate, establishes the perfect synergy between the RMC-1, the listening room, and the rest of the system......" Having said that I have always been of the belief......get a stable system that just works well and is responsive, Dirac can come a little later.
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Post by aswiss on Jan 28, 2020 10:26:16 GMT -5
What will users' reactions be if Dirac ends up runnong at 48kHz and not 96kHz? My instant reaction is 1. What a waste of such a capable unit by not going to 96kHz+ 2. I bought a step change unit and expect it to be that and more via the expansion modules......Im still pretty optimistic it will be that. I also purchased it knowing it would be a development/work in progress. 3. Always keep your promises: ".....Dirac Live automatic room correction, running on all 16 channels at a full 96 kHz sample rate, establishes the perfect synergy between the RMC-1, the listening room, and the rest of the system......" Having said that I have always been of the belief......get a stable system that just works well and is responsive, Dirac can come a little later. Most of the Devices are set to 48 not 96. If you can hear this difference, I don't know. for me it sounds a bit like, they promised 96, so get me 96 or i return the device.
It's here the same as for the FW - let them get it out first - and we can complain later.
personally, I don't care about Dirac until this Box is stable.
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