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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 10:04:02 GMT -5
I am looking at new receivers to replace my Denon 4520. I have narrowed it down to the Marantz AV7705 and the Denon 6500. They both look to have pretty much the same specs just minus the internal amps for the Martantz.
Looking for some advice on which would be a better receiver.
Thoughts?
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Post by creimes on Nov 27, 2018 10:18:00 GMT -5
I think the AV7705 is a processor not a receiver, have you looked at Anthem, I find the reproduction of music through my Anthem superior to that of the AV7702 Marantz I owned before it, I would suggest if you can listen to a Anthem MRX720 or 1120. My mom had a Denon receiver for a while but can't really compare it to what I know as it was in a pretty basic setup.
Chad
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 27, 2018 10:38:33 GMT -5
Demon & Marantz are the same company
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 27, 2018 11:27:09 GMT -5
Demon & Marantz are the same company Denon and Marantz (D&M Holdings) may be owned by the same company (Sound United), but there are theoretical differences (particularly regarding Marantz's proprietary analog output stages) that make them "different". Mountainbiking Fool ... as has already been pointed out, the AV7705 is a preamp/processor which would require also purchasing outboard amplification. The Marantz SR7013 or SR8012 would be the equivalent to the AV7705 in the form of an AVR. In the same price range as those, I also concur with taking a hard look at Anthem. If you don't currently have Atmos (and can get away with just 7 channels of "internal" amplification), at $1300, the NAD T758v3 is a serious contender. If you do have an Atmos setup, just add an inexpensive external 4 channel amp to drive your "height" speakers and you're all set. If you want more power all around, there are pre-outs for all 11.1 channels. As an added benefit, T758v3 also uses Dirac. The only potential downfall to the T758v3 is the fact that there are only 3 HDMI inputs (and one output). All are HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 compatible (and support Dolby Vision). Not all of the "bells & whistles" of the D&M offerings, but if you can get away with that, take a look. If you can wait awhile longer, the new Emotiva XMR-1 is supposedly right around the corner. But in "EmoSpeak", that could be some time off...
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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 14:30:18 GMT -5
Demon & Marantz are the same company Denon and Marantz (D&M Holdings) may be owned by the same company (Sound United), but there are theoretical differences (particularly regarding Marantz's proprietary analog output stages) that make them "different". Mountainbiking Fool ... as has already been pointed out, the AV7705 is a preamp/processor which would require also purchasing outboard amplification. The Marantz SR7013 or SR8012 would be the equivalent to the AV7705 in the form of an AVR. In the same price range as those, I also concur with taking a hard look at Anthem. If you don't currently have Atmos (and can get away with just 7 channels of "internal" amplification), at $1300, the NAD T758v3 is a serious contender. If you do have an Atmos setup, just add an inexpensive external 4 channel amp to drive your "height" speakers and you're all set. If you want more power all around, there are pre-outs for all 11.1 channels. As an added benefit, T758v3 also uses Dirac. The only potential downfall to the T758v3 is the fact that there are only 3 HDMI inputs (and one output). All are HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 compatible (and support Dolby Vision). Not all of the "bells & whistles" of the D&M offerings, but if you can get away with that, take a look. If you can wait awhile longer, the new Emotiva XMR-1 is supposedly right around the corner. But in "EmoSpeak", that could be some time off... My 4520 I only use as a pre amp, I use my 3 external Emotiva amps, I have two 5 channel and one 2 channel amp that I use to run my 11.1 system. I will probably go Atmos but I am still going back and fourth on this.
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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 14:33:18 GMT -5
I think the AV7705 is a processor not a receiver, have you looked at Anthem, I find the reproduction of music through my Anthem superior to that of the AV7702 Marantz I owned before it, I would suggest if you can listen to a Anthem MRX720 or 1120. My mom had a Denon receiver for a while but can't really compare it to what I know as it was in a pretty basic setup. Chad Yes it is a processor and that is how I would use the 6500 as well. That is how I run my Denon 4520 right now. I have never looked into Anthem but I will check them out. Thank you!
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 27, 2018 15:21:07 GMT -5
My 4520 I only use as a pre amp, I use my 3 external Emotiva amps, I have two 5 channel and one 2 channel amp that I use to run my 11.1 system. I will probably go Atmos but I am still going back and fourth on this. Awesome... Then for $300 over the cost of the 7705, have you considered the former "flagship" 8802A...? It may be on its way out (having been replaced by the 8805), but I'd be willing to bet that you'd be quite pleased with it. Same sweet AKM AK4490 "Velvet Sound" DACs as found in the new RMC-1. Although configured in a different way than Emotiva, Marantz did a good job with them. And since you're not opposed to using an AVR as a prepro, seriously consider the NAD T758v3. Dirac, alone, may be worth the cost of admission. That is if you have no need for more than 3 HDMI inputs...
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 27, 2018 15:26:55 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I moved from a Denon (and before that, a Marantz) to the Emotiva XMC-1. Best move in audio I ever made.
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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 15:40:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I moved from a Denon (and before that, a Marantz) to the Emotiva XMC-1. Best move in audio I ever made. I have looked at the XMC-1 but I am going to at least a 7.2.4 theater and the XMC does not support that.
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 27, 2018 15:46:57 GMT -5
My 4520 I only use as a pre amp, I use my 3 external Emotiva amps, I have two 5 channel and one 2 channel amp that I use to run my 11.1 system. I will probably go Atmos but I am still going back and fourth on this. Awesome... Then for $300 over the cost of the 7705, have you considered the former "flagship" 8802A...? It may be on its way out (having been replaced by the 8805), but I'd be willing to bet that you'd be quite pleased with it. Same sweet AKM AK4490 "Velvet Sound" DACs as found in the new RMC-1. Although configured in a different way than Emotiva, Marantz did a good job with them. And since you're not opposed to using an AVR as a prepro, seriously consider the NAD T758v3. Dirac, alone, may be worth the cost of admission. That is if you have no need for more than 3 HDMI inputs... I have the 8802a and you can find then used on ebay for close to $1600 and maybe some B stock for close to $2000. I love mine as it was a huge upgrade form the Marantz SR7009 I was using before (was running external amps on the SR7009).
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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 15:48:08 GMT -5
My 4520 I only use as a pre amp, I use my 3 external Emotiva amps, I have two 5 channel and one 2 channel amp that I use to run my 11.1 system. I will probably go Atmos but I am still going back and fourth on this. Awesome... Then for $300 over the cost of the 7705, have you considered the former "flagship" 8802A...? It may be on its way out (having been replaced by the 8805), but I'd be willing to bet that you'd be quite pleased with it. Same sweet AKM AK4490 "Velvet Sound" DACs as found in the new RMC-1. Although configured in a different way than Emotiva, Marantz did a good job with them. And since you're not opposed to using an AVR as a prepro, seriously consider the NAD T758v3. Dirac, alone, may be worth the cost of admission. That is if you have no need for more than 3 HDMI inputs... I was also looking at the 8802A and have found great prices on some websites. The question I have is, I have been reading up on a new eArc channel and not sure if they would update the 8802A. Curious to know, how far back do manufacturers go in their product line for the updates on software like that. In other words...would that type of update be only for the latest/newest model?
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 27, 2018 15:49:38 GMT -5
Awesome... Then for $300 over the cost of the 7705, have you considered the former "flagship" 8802A...? It may be on its way out (having been replaced by the 8805), but I'd be willing to bet that you'd be quite pleased with it. Same sweet AKM AK4490 "Velvet Sound" DACs as found in the new RMC-1. Although configured in a different way than Emotiva, Marantz did a good job with them. And since you're not opposed to using an AVR as a prepro, seriously consider the NAD T758v3. Dirac, alone, may be worth the cost of admission. That is if you have no need for more than 3 HDMI inputs... I was also looking at the 8802A and have found great prices on some websites. The question I have is, I have been reading up on a new eArc channel and not sure if they would update the 8802A. Curious to know, how far back do manufacturers go in their product line for the updates on software like that. In other words...would that type of update be only for the latest/newest model? I highly doubt the 8802A will get the eARC upgrade. I think that will be reserved for the 8805, but that's just a guess.
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Post by Mountainbiking Fool on Nov 27, 2018 16:19:09 GMT -5
I was also looking at the 8802A and have found great prices on some websites. The question I have is, I have been reading up on a new eArc channel and not sure if they would update the 8802A. Curious to know, how far back do manufacturers go in their product line for the updates on software like that. In other words...would that type of update be only for the latest/newest model? I highly doubt the 8802A will get the eARC upgrade. I think that will be reserved for the 8805, but that's just a guess. That's what I was figuring, it would not get it. Not sure how important it would be, I am still reading about it.
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 27, 2018 16:41:31 GMT -5
I was also looking at the 8802A and have found great prices on some websites. The question I have is, I have been reading up on a new eArc channel and not sure if they would update the 8802A. Curious to know, how far back do manufacturers go in their product line for the updates on software like that. In other words...would that type of update be only for the latest/newest model? As davidl81 mentioned, only the more recent D&M offerings (2017 series and newer) will get the eARC update and, of those, it will only be the “upper tier” AVRs and AVPs. It's not just software, but also a hardware limitation. As I understand it, eARC runs on an independent IC whereas traditional ARC runs on the same IC that controls all CEC functions. That specific IC must be already present in the hardware in order to receive the eARC update. As progressive and foresighted as D&M tries to be, the 8802A is just a bit too old to have this feature and, unfortunately, my 2016 series AV7703 is too. But here's the rub... in order for eARC to work, it must also be present in the TV. Currently, I don't believe there are any on the market and probably won't be until HDMI 2.1 becomes the norm. So, I guess it really boils down to two things... how soon will you purchase a TV that supports eARC, and is traditional ARC "good enough" (?). Another possible downfall of the 8802A that "may" be of importance to you is that it is not compatible with the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app. I've used the app with my 7703 and still prefer the sound of my room "without" correction, but the Editor app does add some much needed flexibility if you're an Audyssey fan and don't already own the Audyssey Pro kit. But if you can do without eARC and the MultEQ Editor app, and can get a great deal to boot, I'd still consider it to be a worthy contender...
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 27, 2018 17:19:18 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I moved from a Denon (and before that, a Marantz) to the Emotiva XMC-1. Best move in audio I ever made. I have looked at the XMC-1 but I am going to at least a 7.2.4 theater and the XMC does not support that. But it will.
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Post by ddog on Nov 27, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
I think the AV7705 is a processor not a receiver, have you looked at Anthem, I find the reproduction of music through my Anthem superior to that of the AV7702 Marantz I owned before it, I would suggest if you can listen to a Anthem MRX720 or 1120. My mom had a Denon receiver for a while but can't really compare it to what I know as it was in a pretty basic setup. Chad Yes it is a processor and that is how I would use the 6500 as well. That is how I run my Denon 4520 right now. I have never looked into Anthem but I will check them out. Thank you! In that case... I'd look at the Anthem 60. The sound is fantastic!
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Post by creimes on Nov 27, 2018 20:35:49 GMT -5
I highly doubt the 8802A will get the eARC upgrade. I think that will be reserved for the 8805, but that's just a guess. That's what I was figuring, it would not get it. Not sure how important it would be, I am still reading about it. 8805 for sale on the lounge emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/53892/marantz-8805-hours-sale-pricedBut as mentioned the Anthem AVM60 would be a good choice as well, I think simpleman68 may have a almost new AVM60 for sale soon as well. Cheers, Chad
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Post by gus4emo on Nov 27, 2018 20:44:55 GMT -5
Denon and Marantz (D&M Holdings) may be owned by the same company (Sound United), but there are theoretical differences (particularly regarding Marantz's proprietary analog output stages) that make them "different". Mountainbiking Fool ... as has already been pointed out, the AV7705 is a preamp/processor which would require also purchasing outboard amplification. The Marantz SR7013 or SR8012 would be the equivalent to the AV7705 in the form of an AVR. In the same price range as those, I also concur with taking a hard look at Anthem. If you don't currently have Atmos (and can get away with just 7 channels of "internal" amplification), at $1300, the NAD T758v3 is a serious contender. If you do have an Atmos setup, just add an inexpensive external 4 channel amp to drive your "height" speakers and you're all set. If you want more power all around, there are pre-outs for all 11.1 channels. As an added benefit, T758v3 also uses Dirac. The only potential downfall to the T758v3 is the fact that there are only 3 HDMI inputs (and one output). All are HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 compatible (and support Dolby Vision). Not all of the "bells & whistles" of the D&M offerings, but if you can get away with that, take a look. If you can wait awhile longer, the new Emotiva XMR-1 is supposedly right around the corner. But in "EmoSpeak", that could be some time off... My 4520 I only use as a pre amp, I use my 3 external Emotiva amps, I have two 5 channel and one 2 channel amp that I use to run my 11.1 system. I will probably go Atmos but I am still going back and fourth on this. Have the same 4520, love it, not jumping to atmos yet...
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Post by simpleman68 on Nov 27, 2018 21:05:08 GMT -5
I am putting it up for sale. Asking $1800 and it is less than 2 years old and mint condition with all original items in original boxes. Scott
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 27, 2018 21:07:18 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I moved from a Denon (and before that, a Marantz) to the Emotiva XMC-1. Best move in audio I ever made. Yes, but as said before, those were not the 8802a, which is on the same playing field as the XMC-1 and AVM-60. Its the best bang for the buck on the planet right now for 7.2.4. It lacks little, does a ton more bells and whistles, and supposedly sounds 99% as good.
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