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Post by adaboy on Dec 5, 2018 10:29:38 GMT -5
There's guys that spend big bucks to get that smooth mellow sound of the Marantz that you didn't like. I had one too, it wasn't bad. It wasn't in your face like some of the stuff I've had. It didn't have the same dynamics that my Anthem has. But while I had it, I was happy because it was far more reliable and just plain worked with no funny noises or lock ups or drop outs like the Xmc it replaced. I've been trying to wait for the xmc-2, but with the bug show that came from the v3 board and rmc-1 along with the fact Emo is raising prices....AGAIN.. I'll probably just wait on the next gen Anthem and be done. One man's trash is another's treasure. TO EACH HIS OWN. Buy what gets ya off. I love this Greatness
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Post by adaboy on Dec 5, 2018 10:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 5, 2018 11:48:14 GMT -5
Possibly I didn't explain "muddy the waters" enough. An example, if someone bought an XMC-1 when they were $1,999 and used their 40% discount card then they paid $1,200 net. If they then pay $300 (4K) + $700 (DTS-X) for the upgrades then it cost them $1,900 all up, and that's way cheaper than buying an XMC-2 (ie; they don't have the 40% discount card anymore, they used it). But they could sell the XMC-1 and maybe get what they paid for it (ie; it cost them nothing) and then buy an XMC-2, net cost $1,300. Which is still more than upgrading the XMC-1. But what if they have a 25% UFL that they obtained when they bought the UMC-200 before they bought the XMC-1 which they can still use on the XMC-2? It can get quite complex hence why each individual person needs to make they own decision, which was my point. Or they bought a 40% discount card? Sure, I have no problems with your numbers so let's use them. Your net increase out of pocket is $300 vs. going a brand new XMC-2. Now for $300 you get: - a brand new machine with no miles on it - a full warranty - superior sound (new DACs/processing/platform) Who wouldn't pay $300 for a full warranty alone? Or $300 for an improvement in audio? Heck, people pay more than $300 for a new power cord to get improved audio. Now let's consider the person has a 40% off - the $300 delta goes away. Now let's consider the person goes with an Anthem or another processor - far more likely it'll cost less than the XMC-2. Some will say the others won't sound as good. Some will say the others will sound better. And I consider your numbers at the low end of the range, so if someone sells higher or buys lower, that just shrinks the $300 more and more. Actually I'm saying the opposite - that the mantra around here, especially when trying to put down other processors, is "they make you buy a whole new processor" and that will automatically be much more expensive. I would suggest it's pretty much a wash on $, and potentially more attractive to get something newer and better for the same $ as upgrading. I'm not discouraging people from upgrading, I'm just pushing back on the taken-as-a-given around here that the other processor manufacturers who make you buy a whole new processor is so much more expensive than buying from a manufacturer who's processor can be upgraded. Happy trails.
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 5, 2018 15:11:42 GMT -5
Possibly I didn't explain "muddy the waters" enough. An example, if someone bought an XMC-1 when they were $1,999 and used their 40% discount card then they paid $1,200 net. If they then pay $300 (4K) + $700 (DTS-X) for the upgrades then it cost them $1,900 all up, and that's way cheaper than buying an XMC-2 (ie; they don't have the 40% discount card anymore, they used it). But they could sell the XMC-1 and maybe get what they paid for it (ie; it cost them nothing) and then buy an XMC-2, net cost $1,300. Which is still more than upgrading the XMC-1. But what if they have a 25% UFL that they obtained when they bought the UMC-200 before they bought the XMC-1 which they can still use on the XMC-2? It can get quite complex hence why each individual person needs to make they own decision, which was my point. Or they bought a 40% discount card? Sure, I have no problems with your numbers so let's use them. Your net increase out of pocket is $300 vs. going a brand new XMC-2. Now for $300 you get: - a brand new machine with no miles on it - a full warranty - superior sound (new DACs/processing/platform) Who wouldn't pay $300 for a full warranty alone? Or $300 for an improvement in audio? Heck, people pay more than $300 for a new power cord to get improved audio. Now let's consider the person has a 40% off - the $300 delta goes away. Now let's consider the person goes with an Anthem or another processor - far more likely it'll cost less than the XMC-2. Some will say the others won't sound as good. Some will say the others will sound better. And I consider your numbers at the low end of the range, so if someone sells higher or buys lower, that just shrinks the $300 more and more. Actually I'm saying the opposite - that the mantra around here, especially when trying to put down other processors, is "they make you buy a whole new processor" and that will automatically be much more expensive. I would suggest it's pretty much a wash on $, and potentially more attractive to get something newer and better for the same $ as upgrading. I'm not discouraging people from upgrading, I'm just pushing back on the taken-as-a-given around here that the other processor manufacturers who make you buy a whole new processor is so much more expensive than buying from a manufacturer who's processor can be upgraded. Happy trails. We could play cost examples forever, the fact is plenty of XMC-1 owners have done the 4K upgrade and how many will or will not do the DTS-X upgrade we will find out when that time comes. Like everyone else I have no idea whether the XMC-2 will sound “superior” to the XMC-1, it’s not a given that the “newest” is the always best. All I know is how the XMC-1 sounds and if I want to retain that sound quality then there is a way I can do that, upgrade the board. How does the saying go, better the devil you know. As for paying $300 for warranty, it depends on how much extra warranty it buys you, if you have 4 years remaining then $300 for 1 year Is probably not worth it. Especially if you have owned it from new and know that’s it’s been looked after. If there’s one day left in warranty then it may well be worth $300, each case is different. For me warranty is next to useless, it would cost me $500 in freight to use the $300 worth of warranty. Listening tastes vary, they vary a lot, all we as individuals can do is talk about what we prefer and hopefully give examples as to why. I’ve tried a couple of Anthems and they are not to my tastes, doesn’t mean that others won’t. In the end it’s a personal choice and that’s a good thing, otherwise it would be boring around here. Cheers Gary
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 5, 2018 17:00:46 GMT -5
We could play cost examples forever, the fact is plenty of XMC-1 owners have done the 4K upgrade and how many will or will not do the DTS-X upgrade we will find out when that time comes. Like everyone else I have no idea whether the XMC-2 will sound “superior” to the XMC-1, it’s not a given that the “newest” is the always best. All I know is how the XMC-1 sounds and if I want to retain that sound quality then there is a way I can do that, upgrade the board. How does the saying go, better the devil you know. As for paying $300 for warranty, it depends on how much extra warranty it buys you, if you have 4 years remaining then $300 for 1 year Is probably not worth it. Especially if you have owned it from new and know that’s it’s been looked after. If there’s one day left in warranty then it may well be worth $300, each case is different. For me warranty is next to useless, it would cost me $500 in freight to use the $300 worth of warranty. Listening tastes vary, they vary a lot, all we as individuals can do is talk about what we prefer and hopefully give examples as to why. I’ve tried a couple of Anthems and they are not to my tastes, doesn’t mean that others won’t. In the end it’s a personal choice and that’s a good thing, otherwise it would be boring around here. Cheers Gary Yep, we could play cost examples forever and the far majority would come out in favor of, or pretty much a wash, for buying new instead of upgrading. I don't think anyone really expected upgrading the XMC to Atmos would cost $1000 and that doesn't even include the cost to ship it there/back, and the downtime. You certainly are free to keep "the devil you know" (even though you don't actually know how it will sound with the new board, but I digress) but I and most others would prefer the newer device. I'm glad warranty for you is useless but for the thousands of Emo owners out there it's not. Listening tastes definitely vary, it's definitely a personal choice, and it definitely is a good thing. Happy trails.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Dec 17, 2018 21:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by ottaone on Jan 3, 2019 17:12:28 GMT -5
Just closing off on this thread that I started. Enjoying the 4K XBR900F with ATV 4K, Sony 4k player, and 4k cable/PVR directly connected to the TV. Other non-4K sources are connected to the UMC-1.
With this current set up working well, I'll wait for a good deal on the Marantz 8xxx or AVM 60. I have time as long as UMC-1 keeps humming along.
Thanks to all the responses and happy new year to all!
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