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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 18:33:22 GMT -5
Latest info is a December 6 release. Will include 6 Dirac presets Will include Dirac 2.0 at launch No OSD, controllable via http and mobile app. Will have auromatic upmixing. Will support dts-x pro via a fw update. petew anything more to add ?
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Post by dlaunde on Nov 17, 2019 18:49:03 GMT -5
Latest info is a December 6 release. Will include 6 Dirac presets Will include Dirac 2.0 at launch Will support 3 discrete subwoofer outputs. Each being independently delayed via Dirac and EQ'd as a single unit, The same as xt32 does. petew anything more to add ? Not sure if it matters to most, but no OSD.
The ONLY thing, right now, that would have me look at the HTP-1 is if the New Year comes and goes without an imminent Dirac release for the XMC/RMC. Otherwise, I have all the kinks worked out on the XMC that, barring an issue popping up out of nowhere, I am happy. Especially given the price difference.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 18:52:56 GMT -5
Latest info is a December 6 release. Will include 6 Dirac presets Will include Dirac 2.0 at launch Will support 3 discrete subwoofer outputs. Each being independently delayed via Dirac and EQ'd as a single unit, The same as xt32 does. petew anything more to add ? Not sure if it matters to most, but no OSD.
The ONLY thing, right now, that would have me look at the HTP-1 is if the New Year comes and goes without an imminent Dirac release for the XMC/RMC. Otherwise, I have all the kinks worked out on the XMC that, barring an issue popping up out of nowhere, I am happy. Especially given the price difference.
I have ufl and a 40% card... I'm really pulling for emotiva. However if it ain't 99% for 100% of users I'll go elsewhere. I WILL NOT deal with workarounds and bugs, No matter the manufacturer.
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Post by dlaunde on Nov 17, 2019 18:59:04 GMT -5
Not sure if it matters to most, but no OSD.
The ONLY thing, right now, that would have me look at the HTP-1 is if the New Year comes and goes without an imminent Dirac release for the XMC/RMC. Otherwise, I have all the kinks worked out on the XMC that, barring an issue popping up out of nowhere, I am happy. Especially given the price difference.
I have ufl and a 40% card... I'm really pulling for emotiva. However if it ain't 99% for 100% of users I'll go elsewhere. I WILL NOT deal with workarounds and bugs, No matter the manufacturer. Oh I agree. I had to do a few workarounds for some known issues but since I use Video Standby mode, they are now non-issues....unless an extended period of non-use causes them to pop up again (will test a few more times over the next week to see). We'll see. I am busy with life until the middle of December and then out of town for most of the early new year, so I can wait to see how Dirac shakes out and updates go plus the HTP-1 launch unfolds.
At least in the meantime the XMC-2 on its own sounds awesome.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 17, 2019 19:47:04 GMT -5
So everyone always says I pick on Emotiva...
I will be very curious to see how this thing "WORKS," or perhaps how it doesn't.
But in typical Bonzo fashion, I have the same usual gripes, and in this case, the Monoprice offering is WORSE than the RMC-1.
- Less stereo analog inputs. 2? Only 2? Are you fracking kidding me? The ONLY way I could use this machine is with an external RCA switcher (and what will that do to sound quality) - No balanced stereo input (which makes me think this unit is also not fully balanced like the Emotiva offerings. - No 7.1 inputs (same as RMC-1) - Less HDMI inputs - Less toslink and RCA digital inputs - No toslink or RCA digital outputs
It does have a few more convenient features though. I'm not an Alexa user, so I don't care about that. But it is a Roon endpoint which may mean something to people who like that. It also includes Auro. It also does a few other things Emotiva will probably never do.
I think the biggest factor will be if it works without glitches. Marantz functionality with Emotiva level sound. If it does, than Emotiva needs to step up, Marantz needs to improve sound quality, and a company like Anthem needs to get in the game.
It's just a bummer not one company has it all. 😕
I wish Emotiva was that company. And that's why I'm still here.
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Post by brutiarti on Nov 17, 2019 20:17:26 GMT -5
They are behind 3 weeks for now. Looks like everybody misses deadlines
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 20:31:52 GMT -5
They are behind 3 weeks for now. Looks like everybody misses deadlines They're actually 3 months behind at this point... But the few beta testers at least have a complete product. Unlike some others.
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Post by creimes on Nov 17, 2019 20:49:40 GMT -5
So everyone always says I pick on Emotiva... I will be very curious to see how this thing "WORKS," or perhaps how it doesn't. But in typical Bonzo fashion, I have the same usual gripes, and in this case, the Monoprice offering is WORSE than the RMC-1. - Less stereo analog inputs. 2? Only 2? Are you fracking kidding me? The ONLY way I could use this machine is with an external RCA switcher (and what will that do to sound quality) - No balanced stereo input (which makes me think this unit is also not fully balanced like the Emotiva offerings. - No 7.1 inputs (same as RMC-1) - Less HDMI inputs - Less toslink and RCA digital inputs - No toslink or RCA digital outputs It does have a few more convenient features though. I'm not an Alexa user, so I don't care about that. But it is a Roon endpoint which may mean something to people who like that. It also includes Auro. It also does a few other things Emotiva will probably never do. I think the biggest factor will be if it works without glitches. Marantz functionality with Emotiva level sound. If it does, than Emotiva needs to step up, Marantz needs to improve sound quality, and a company like Anthem needs to get in the game. It's just a bummer not one company has it all. 😕 I wish Emotiva was that company. And that's why I'm still here. I feel like I'm caught in the middle at times, and not in the argumentative way but in the technology way, I am into HT but still 1080p and 5.2 setup and I'm not full blown orgasmic over analog 2ch but enjoy both analog and digital whether it be CD or streaming, but what that concludes IMO anyway is because I'm not worried about the vast array of options say the likes of a Marantz prepro offers or the latest greatest surround and picture format that they all do I think my issues are almost non existent because of this, doesn't mean I haven't had any but they have been minor to what I hear some have. Sound quality is key for me and maybe I put up with some minor things because of it but I'm not sure. I totally agree though on the Marantz thing you mentioned, I've outright said my Marantz prepro did not even closely meet my needs for SQ compared to even my old Sherbourn prepro and that is very disappointing considering the length of time Marantz has been a audio manufacture and the following they do because of it. And yes why can't one company make something that works and has incredible SQ to boot, I think that differs for all of us as my XMC-1(3 of them to date) have all been rock solid in my setup, but that isn't to say everyone else's have. Does it seem to be getting worse or better though with all these new sound and picture formats, I mean they are starting to release 8K stuff now when 4K isn't as stable as most would like it to be ?? Cheerio, Chad
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 21:11:12 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread on topic ? Marantz vs xmc vs sherbourn has nothing to do with the monoprice unit.. LCSeminole it's the same thing as the RMC thread dude. Hey Chad. Why not just put it in your sig, your marantz sucked... It would save you years off your life to not have to type it out every couple weeks. I'm surprised you haven't written out a bash script like telemarketers use. That way you can just copy and paste it.. lol
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Post by creimes on Nov 17, 2019 21:19:27 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread on topic ? Marantz vs xmc vs sherbourn has nothing to do with the monoprice unit.. LCSeminole it's the same thing as the RMC thread dude. Hey Chad. Why not just put it in your sig, your marantz sucked... It would save you years off your life to not have to type it out every couple weeks. I'm surprised you haven't written out a bash script like telemarketers use. That way you can just copy and paste it.. lol Whatever helps you sleep at night Oh and Bonzo started it BTW Marantz doesn't suck it just sounds mediocre
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Post by adaboy on Nov 17, 2019 21:23:57 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread on topic ? Marantz vs xmc vs sherbourn has nothing to do with the monoprice unit.. LCSeminole it's the same thing as the RMC thread dude. Hey Chad. Why not just put it in your sig, your marantz sucked... It would save you years off your life to not have to type it out every couple weeks. My Marantz 8805 is Awesome! 😂 It works as expected I tweaked the audio to taste, my small kids don't have any issues using it, and zero work arounds. With that said I'm not against upgrading my HT experience and since my HT gets demoed from time to time it must work every time. I would love to have a matching pre with EMO, but it isn't ready for prime time thus I wouldn't ever actively sell it or recommend it. This Monoprice unit has me intrigued and I would be interested in seeing first impressions about sound quality, and user experience. If all goes well, I'd like to demo it and possibly have both pre's for demonstration purposes.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 21:31:23 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread on topic ? Marantz vs xmc vs sherbourn has nothing to do with the monoprice unit.. LCSeminole it's the same thing as the RMC thread dude. Hey Chad. Why not just put it in your sig, your marantz sucked... It would save you years off your life to not have to type it out every couple weeks. My Marantz 8805 is Awesome! 😂 It works as expected I tweaked the audio to taste, my small kids don't have any issues using it, and zero work arounds. With that said I'm not against upgrading my HT experience and since my HT gets demoed from time to time it must work every time. I would love to have a matching pre with EMO, but it isn't ready for prime time thus I wouldn't ever actively sell it or recommend it. This Monoprice unit has me intrigued and I would be interested in seeing first impressions about sound quality, and user experience. If all goes well, I'd like to demo it and possibly have both pre's for demonstration purposes. But if you were actually serious about sound quality you'd teach your kids to use the big book of emotiva workarounds. But in all seriousness, if the htp-1 falls flat and the RMC doesn't get worked out in the next couple months I'll probably just land on an 8805 as well. I too still entertain a few av enthusiasts from time to time. Not as many as I used to but a good old fashioned AVS geek out is fun every now and then. But I have zero patience for gear that doesn't function the way it's supposed to.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 17, 2019 21:33:29 GMT -5
Can we keep this thread on topic ? Marantz vs xmc vs sherbourn has nothing to do with the monoprice unit.. LCSeminole it's the same thing as the RMC thread dude. Hey Chad. Why not just put it in your sig, your marantz sucked... It would save you years off your life to not have to type it out every couple weeks. I'm surprised you haven't written out a bash script like telemarketers use. That way you can just copy and paste it.. lol Whatever helps you sleep at night Oh and Bonzo started it BTW Marantz doesn't suck it just sounds mediocre Just trying to help you find more time to talk about other things Chad. It's all for you bud.
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Post by cwt on Nov 18, 2019 3:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by vcautokid on Nov 18, 2019 9:09:23 GMT -5
Ever wonder why these things take so long? The most complex piece audio has ever seen. Many channels, HDMI....there in itself is a Chinese Fire Drill. Compliance with that nonsense. All the surround mode B.S.. Advanced Room Correction. Still make it sound awesome. Won't even start about C.E.C.. The very word Processor should tell you something. I am blown away it works at all. It takes allot of money to get standards, and compliances right, most of the root of the evil here, and still play nice with everyone else that is "supposed" to be compliant too. I won't chase after this stuff because to me it is like infinity and beyond. I am just going to stop and enjoy what I have. Every new thing has its issues and pain points. I defy anyone to think otherwise. Compromise is going to happen. Nothing is perfect. It works great, wish it sounded better. Works like crap but sounds awesome. Your definition of the two are amongst somewhere in the sliding scale of things. We keep upping the game and creating more instability in something that is frankly a tall order to make work in the first place. The coding alone is a nightmare. Then the Processors and other stuff has to get along with it. Not easy stuff. And it is expensive because economies of scale say so. It is like getting a super computer in a lunch box. Your smartphone is almost better than allot of computers out there, and so on, but it takes time. Stability, reliability, and it has to sound good too with all the toys. I don't know about you, but I just modify my expectations and get what I want and call it a day. I am tired of chasing the next star in tech. Your mileage may vary of course.
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Post by mgbpuff on Nov 18, 2019 9:30:49 GMT -5
Most of the innovative work is in the packaged DSPs that manufacturers base their products around. The display interfaces, TCP/IP interfaces, power supplies, HDMI, USB, and internet interfaces are supplied by the device manufacturer. When done right all manufacturers using the same DSP packages wind up with products with the exact same features and abilities. Packaged HDMI chips and boards and maybe even power supplies are also used. So the effort to bring a product to market is essentially applied engineering vs true development. It astounds me that it takes so much time to get these packages functioning. Some companies perhaps have engineering staffs adequate to the challenge and others do not. Either way, I think the engineering prowess required to apply engineer these types of products does not rise to the level of MIT doctorates.
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Post by thxultra on Nov 20, 2019 12:05:51 GMT -5
Most of the innovative work is in the packaged DSPs that manufacturers base their products around. The display interfaces, TCP/IP interfaces, power supplies, HDMI, USB, and internet interfaces are supplied by the device manufacturer. When done right all manufacturers using the same DSP packages wind up with products with the exact same features and abilities. Packaged HDMI chips and boards and maybe even power supplies are also used. So the effort to bring a product to market is essentially applied engineering vs true development. It astounds me that it takes so much time to get these packages functioning. Some companies perhaps have engineering staffs adequate to the challenge and others do not. Either way, I think the engineering prowess required to apply engineer these types of products does not rise to the level of MIT doctorates. I think it is harder then we give them credit. A lot of the smaller companies don't build their own processors from the ground up. Look at McIntosh they use a Marantz. Monoprice is a Datasat. Emotiva actually builds the XMC-2, RMC-1 and RMC-1l themselves. Probably the only smaller company to do so. They don't have the design team even close to the size of Marantz so will take more time to workout issues. I'm pretty impressed with my XMC-2 for what I paid. Has some minor issues I hope they sort out but nothing major so far.
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Post by richb on Nov 20, 2019 13:00:16 GMT -5
Most of the innovative work is in the packaged DSPs that manufacturers base their products around. The display interfaces, TCP/IP interfaces, power supplies, HDMI, USB, and internet interfaces are supplied by the device manufacturer. When done right all manufacturers using the same DSP packages wind up with products with the exact same features and abilities. Packaged HDMI chips and boards and maybe even power supplies are also used. So the effort to bring a product to market is essentially applied engineering vs true development. It astounds me that it takes so much time to get these packages functioning. Some companies perhaps have engineering staffs adequate to the challenge and others do not. Either way, I think the engineering prowess required to apply engineer these types of products does not rise to the level of MIT doctorates. I think it is harder then we give them credit. A lot of the smaller companies don't build their own processors from the ground up. Look at McIntosh they use a Marantz. Monoprice is a Datasat. Emotiva actually builds the XMC-2, RMC-1 and RMC-1l themselves. Probably the only smaller company to do so. They don't have the design team even close to the size of Marantz so will take more time to workout issues. I'm pretty impressed with my XMC-2 for what I paid. Has some minor issues I hope they sort out but nothing major so far. The Monoprice HTP-1 uses DSP and control logic modules from Momentum Data Systems. www.mds.com/There are 4 or so new processors using this platform. - Rich
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Post by thxultra on Nov 20, 2019 13:11:33 GMT -5
I think it is harder then we give them credit. A lot of the smaller companies don't build their own processors from the ground up. Look at McIntosh they use a Marantz. Monoprice is a Datasat. Emotiva actually builds the XMC-2, RMC-1 and RMC-1l themselves. Probably the only smaller company to do so. They don't have the design team even close to the size of Marantz so will take more time to workout issues. I'm pretty impressed with my XMC-2 for what I paid. Has some minor issues I hope they sort out but nothing major so far. The Monoprice HTP-1 uses DSP and control logic modules from Momentum Data Systems. www.mds.com/There are 4 or so new processors using this platform. - Rich I probably should have been clearer the whole device (processor or preamp) is being built by Datasat. My point is not many smaller companies build their own.
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Post by richb on Nov 20, 2019 13:25:58 GMT -5
The Monoprice HTP-1 uses DSP and control logic modules from Momentum Data Systems. www.mds.com/There are 4 or so new processors using this platform. - Rich I probably should have been clearer the whole device (processor or preamp) is being built by Datasat. My point is not many smaller companies build their own. I don't mean to nitpick, but ATI owns Datasat and looks to be the manufacturing end for all products. The HTP-1 sheet metal matches the ATI built Monolith amplifier. Obviously, ATI/Datasat has the acumen to build such products and these new products appear to be a new design. - Rich
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