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Post by fschris on Apr 28, 2019 8:29:02 GMT -5
One annoying thing with the XMC-1 is that when I turn the XMC1 back on the PC will never display. For example I have the PC set up so it never goes to sleep and the set for the Display to never go to sleep. However once I turn XMC off I always have to reboot the pc to get it back on. Unless I of course turn the PC down and then turn on after the XMC1 boots up.
If I connect the PC straight to my display I can turn the tv on and off with no issues.
I really wish I could output 8 channels from my PC straight into the XMC1 and avoid the HDMI card using the USB driver or something.
The USB stream on the XMC1 I believe is only 2 channels.
I am using a EVGA GTX 1070
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Post by LuisV on Apr 28, 2019 8:35:02 GMT -5
Curious why using an HTPC at the TV and not a streamer like Ruku, Nvidia Shield, AppleTV, etc... Just curious.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 28, 2019 11:10:58 GMT -5
Curious why using an HTPC at the TV and not a streamer like Ruku, Nvidia Shield, AppleTV, etc... Just curious. Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. |
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Post by LuisV on Apr 28, 2019 11:27:13 GMT -5
Curious why using an HTPC at the TV and not a streamer like Ruku, Nvidia Shield, AppleTV, etc... Just curious. Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. For sure, was just curious as to the requirement. Although I prefer a tablet or laptop for couch surfing and will cast to the TV when the need arrises; I totally understand that others might prefer using a big screen as their "monitor". |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 28, 2019 11:39:32 GMT -5
Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. For sure, was just curious as to the requirement. Although I prefer a tablet or laptop for couch surfing and will cast to the TV when the need arrises; I totally understand that others might prefer using a big screen as their "monitor". Right, and to your point I use an AppleTV4K for most of my video streaming, and TOSLink or USB from the Mac for most audio. But the mini via HDMI is handy for random events, like when the band is in town, I can record with GarageBand and have an 85โ recording console. ๐ค |
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Post by millst on Apr 28, 2019 13:13:08 GMT -5
Are you using video on standby mode for the XMC-1? Which HDMI board? I don't have the same issue as you. However, I have a Dr. HDMI in the chain to avoid my monitor flickering when the XMC-1 changes inputs. That could be helping.
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Post by fschris on Apr 28, 2019 14:35:22 GMT -5
Curious why using an HTPC at the TV and not a streamer like Ruku, Nvidia Shield, AppleTV, etc... Just curious. Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. those steamers do not stream 12bpc content from my unraid server  |
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Post by fschris on Apr 28, 2019 14:40:39 GMT -5
Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. those steamers do not stream 12bpc content from my unraid server Thanks, I am going to try this Dr HDMI 4k. I had not seen this before. I get annoying flickering in JRvier as well. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 28, 2019 15:20:44 GMT -5
those steamers do not stream 12bpc content from my unraid server Thanks, I am going to try this Dr HDMI 4k. I had not seen this before. I get annoying flickering in JRvier as well. If you are getting flicker with jriver, are you running it in Red October mode? |
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Post by LuisV on Apr 28, 2019 15:21:22 GMT -5
Not speaking for the OP, but: music, games, videos, browsing for more of same on a really big screen while sitting on the couch ๐, etc. Certainly you can do those things with streamers, game consoles, and the like, but a PC (or in my case a Mac mini) adds a lot of flexibility. those steamers do not stream 12bpc content from my unraid server Did I just come across another unRAID user? Plex I assume? I thought the Shield can do 12bpc content. |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 28, 2019 16:07:26 GMT -5
One annoying thing with the XMC-1 is that when I turn the XMC1 back on the PC will never display. For example I have the PC set up so it never goes to sleep and the set for the Display to never go to sleep. However once I turn XMC off I always have to reboot the pc to get it back on. Unless I of course turn the PC down and then turn on after the XMC1 boots up. If I connect the PC straight to my display I can turn the tv on and off with no issues. I really wish I could output 8 channels from my PC straight into the XMC1 and avoid the HDMI card using the USB driver or something. The USB stream on the XMC1 I believe is only 2 channels. I am using a EVGA GTX 1070 I could be wrong, however - from what I understand, the issue is that once your PC and the XMC-1 stop communicating via HDMI the video is lost and you have to "kick start" the PC to get it to start communicating via HDMI again. The XMC will not acknowledge it until you do that. The kick start can be a reboot of the PC OR...it can be sending the PC into standby and back out of it. I have a PC that I used to use to send video to the XMC-1, and I had this issue (I think someone explained to me that the root of the issue was my graphics card + the fact the XMC-1 video is a switching system). Originally, I rebooted the PC if I wanted video from it. Then I learned that my Logitech wireless keyboard had a button that would toggle the PC in and out of sleep mode. So, I would push that button, and within seconds the PC lights went from blue to yellow/orange. Once they did, I pressed it again and it came back on. So did the video. The whole process took a lot less time than a reboot, so I did that. I hope that helps. Mark |
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Post by fschris on Apr 28, 2019 21:09:28 GMT -5
One annoying thing with the XMC-1 is that when I turn the XMC1 back on the PC will never display. For example I have the PC set up so it never goes to sleep and the set for the Display to never go to sleep. However once I turn XMC off I always have to reboot the pc to get it back on. Unless I of course turn the PC down and then turn on after the XMC1 boots up. If I connect the PC straight to my display I can turn the tv on and off with no issues. I really wish I could output 8 channels from my PC straight into the XMC1 and avoid the HDMI card using the USB driver or something. The USB stream on the XMC1 I believe is only 2 channels. I am using a EVGA GTX 1070 I could be wrong, however - from what I understand, the issue is that once your PC and the XMC-1 stop communicating via HDMI the video is lost and you have to "kick start" the PC to get it to start communicating via HDMI again. The XMC will not acknowledge it until you do that. The kick start can be a reboot of the PC OR...it can be sending the PC into standby and back out of it. I have a PC that I used to use to send video to the XMC-1, and I had this issue (I think someone explained to me that the root of the issue was my graphics card + the fact the XMC-1 video is a switching system). Originally, I rebooted the PC if I wanted video from it. Then I learned that my Logitech wireless keyboard had a button that would toggle the PC in and out of sleep mode. So, I would push that button, and within seconds the PC lights went from blue to yellow/orange. Once they did, I pressed it again and it came back on. So did the video. The whole process took a lot less time than a reboot, so I did that. I hope that helps. Mark Mark - thanks for this clue ! I will try it.... see what happens. I have a Logitech Keyboard as well. |
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Post by fschris on Apr 28, 2019 21:13:42 GMT -5
those steamers do not stream 12bpc content from my unraid server Did I just come across another unRAID user? Plex I assume? I thought the Shield can do 12bpc content. I do not use plex but I have tried it. It also from what I read does not handle 10bpc or 12bpc. Nvidia shield I can;t find the specs but I didnt look hard. its not clear on the spec page of the shield. maybe one has to research the chip set to see what it can process. I use jriver now since it seems to have the best true 4k play back to take advantage of 10 and 12bpc. Plus they use MADVR which is also prob one of the best codecs. Emby theater used Mdvr then they switched and their was an uproar so they went back to madvr. Plex has great UI. Wish the Jriver UI was as good as plex. Jriver is def. for enthusiast. 1000's of settings, you can import Dirace filters, does crossovers , its pretty powerful. |
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Post by bluescale on May 5, 2019 5:26:36 GMT -5
Another JRiver/Unraid user like me! It's good to know I'm not alone. Interestingly, I had all sorts of problems with losing HDMI connection between my HTPC rocking a EGVA GTX 1070 and the XMC-1. Like you, it would go dark after a period of inactivity, and the only way to get it back was to reboot the system. I upgraded to an Asus 1080ti, and the problems went away. Unfortunately, I upgraded the guts of my entire system (new MB and CPU, along with the GPU) at the same time, and also reformatted and reinstalled Windows, so I have no idea if the issue was with the EVGA, or something else.
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Post by foggy1956 on May 5, 2019 10:35:54 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't derail the thread but, I'm considering venturing into a new htpc which will do 4k as a diy project. Any suggestions appreciated?
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Post by bluescale on May 5, 2019 14:19:54 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't derail the thread but, I'm considering venturing into a new htpc which will do 4k as a diy project. Any suggestions appreciated? Depends in what you're trying to do. 1. Do you plan to watch 4k blu-ray off of disc using an internal drive? If so, you'll need to get a very specific set of hardware. 2. Are you planning to rip 4k discs and watch them using some sort of media center software? If so, the options open up, but are still somewhat specific. 3. Are you planning to use 1080p and lower content, upscaled to 4k? You have lots of options, but need to make sure you have enough power for the quality of scaling you want to do. 4. Any gaming? The sky's the limit.  I do everything but #1. I would start with something like this, and then move up or down in parts depending on your specific needs: pcpartpicker.com/guide/Dvttt6/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-buildAssuming you want an optical drive, you'll need a different case. If you plan to watch 4k discs I believe you'll need an Intel CPU (although I haven't looked lately to see of that requirement has softened), but if you plan to just rip 4k discs and watch them with something like Jriver or Kodi, Intel or AMD work just fine. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 5, 2019 15:11:33 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't derail the thread but, I'm considering venturing into a new htpc which will do 4k as a diy project. Any suggestions appreciated? Depends in what you're trying to do. 1. Do you plan to watch 4k blu-ray off of disc using an internal drive? If so, you'll need to get a very specific set of hardware. 2. Are you planning to rip 4k discs and watch them using some sort of media center software? If so, the options open up, but are still somewhat specific. 3. Are you planning to use 1080p and lower content, upscaled to 4k? You have lots of options, but need to make sure you have enough power for the quality of scaling you want to do. 4. Any gaming? The sky's the limit. I do everything but #1. I would start with something like this, and then move up or down in parts depending on your specific needs: pcpartpicker.com/guide/Dvttt6/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-buildAssuming you want an optical drive, you'll need a different case. If you plan to watch 4k discs I believe you'll need an Intel CPU (although I haven't looked lately to see of that requirement has softened), but if you plan to just rip 4k discs and watch them with something like Jriver or Kodi, Intel or AMD work just fine. Ripping 4k to a nas, was thinking the tv could do the upscaling, probably no gaming, currently using jriver, may try a linux with kodi? Thanks for the infoโบ |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 5, 2019 15:17:38 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't derail the thread but, I'm considering venturing into a new htpc which will do 4k as a diy project. Any suggestions appreciated? Depends in what you're trying to do. 1. Do you plan to watch 4k blu-ray off of disc using an internal drive? If so, you'll need to get a very specific set of hardware. 2. Are you planning to rip 4k discs and watch them using some sort of media center software? If so, the options open up, but are still somewhat specific. 3. Are you planning to use 1080p and lower content, upscaled to 4k? You have lots of options, but need to make sure you have enough power for the quality of scaling you want to do. 4. Any gaming? The sky's the limit. I do everything but #1. I would start with something like this, and then move up or down in parts depending on your specific needs: pcpartpicker.com/guide/Dvttt6/excellent-amd-gamingstreaming-buildAssuming you want an optical drive, you'll need a different case. If you plan to watch 4k discs I believe you'll need an Intel CPU (although I haven't looked lately to see of that requirement has softened), but if you plan to just rip 4k discs and watch them with something like Jriver or Kodi, Intel or AMD work just fine. Would this work? techbuyersguru.com/best-750-4k-home-theater-pc-build-ultra-slim-mini-itx-htpc-may-2019techbuyersguru.com/best-750-4k-home-theater-pc-build-ultra-slim-mini-itx-htpc-may-2019 |
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Post by bluescale on May 5, 2019 19:22:36 GMT -5
It would work, but it wouldn't be my first choice. My first HTPC was built in a tiny case, and it looked beautiful, but was way too limiting. I learned quickly that no TV's upscaling can compare to something like madVR, and to properly scale with madVR, you're going to want a dedicated GPU. Also, that case doesn't have room for an optical drive, so it means you'd need to either use a different PC to rip your discs, or need an external drive. But again, it's all about your priorities. I wanted the highest quality scaling I could possibly get (and eventually got into gaming as well, but remains a nice side benefit, and not a requirement), so I needed something fairly beefy. |
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Post by foggy1956 on May 6, 2019 13:33:08 GMT -5
It would work, but it wouldn't be my first choice. My first HTPC was built in a tiny case, and it looked beautiful, but was way too limiting. I learned quickly that no TV's upscaling can compare to something like madVR, and to properly scale with madVR, you're going to want a dedicated GPU. Also, that case doesn't have room for an optical drive, so it means you'd need to either use a different PC to rip your discs, or need an external drive. But again, it's all about your priorities. I wanted the highest quality scaling I could possibly get (and eventually got into gaming as well, but remains a nice side benefit, and not a requirement), so I needed something fairly beefy. The link is a guideline, wondering if the guts would work in an atx case which would allow for a gpu if it was necessary. Also looking at the possibility of going fanless. |
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