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Post by donh50 on May 6, 2019 16:02:33 GMT -5
Yep.....Flame Linear and BLAZE LINEAR! (I prefer the latter, probably because it rhymes better). Regarding the Sunfire amps., the idler power supplies were a VERY significant forward step towards longevity in the design, shielding the more sensitive electronic boards from powering on too quick. Mine is "off" 24/7 and warmed up all the time. When you plug the thing in, there is that surge of power to the supply that was always indicative of Carver designs, but it stops at the power supply until a signal triggers the rest of the system. Some guys don't like it and put the amp. on a switched circuit, which somewhat defeats the purpose. Bill Agreed. My old tube amp (ARC D-79) had a soft-start circuit with a thermistor and a relay to control in-rush current. Still dimmed the lights in my Grandparent's house (old tube and knob wiring, scary). I built a relay circuit to sequence the power to the preamp and amp. Virtually all TVs back then had thermistors in the AC line for the same reason (in-rush current; do not know if the newer flat panels still have them). I know a lot of modern amps include soft-start circuitry, probably most of them. Much more better! Several times I went out on TV repair calls to fix a TV that some kids (and in one case husband and wife) got into an argument and power-cycled it rapidly, bypassing the TDR. Usually just a blown fuse but small comfort to the customers that had to pay for a call.
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Post by gsand on May 6, 2019 19:36:59 GMT -5
I am quite sure you will hear a difference after all that research and money. I am equally sure you would not in a blind test... Well first that's not a lot of money. Secondly the "research" I did was described as it was reading and watching...So I never implied that I conducted nor would follow scientific process. But I do appreciate the negative connotation and overall sarcasm. This is simply an exercise that I feel I want to experience for myself so I can formulate, and come to, my own conclusions and in the process, share that info on a board where I believe that most of the members are close to my socio-economic status. I am generally curious as to the results and what better way then to have some pretty decent attainable equipment to use and cables that are well over $2,200 new that I bought for 75% off...And I do have a process that will provide me with a quasi blind listening test and that process as well as my ears and my honesty should provide some info that some peeps may find interesting. And by the way ALL my interconnects are currently EMO balanced cables. If you decide not to keep the speaker cables let me know. I would be interested in them.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 7, 2019 5:30:09 GMT -5
If you decide not to keep the speaker cables let me know. I would be interested in them. LOL - but you're not the FIRST in that particular line...
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Post by amped on May 7, 2019 7:33:43 GMT -5
What I find amazing is how many "closet cablers" there are. No one wants to say they are interested in higher end cables but I have numerous requests to buy this particular cable if I determine it to be snake oil! LOL
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Post by KeithL on May 7, 2019 11:26:14 GMT -5
People buy cables for many reasons...... However, it is interesting that people would be willing to buy them if you decide they don't make any difference.
- some may actually be sure they hear a difference
- some may wish to simply try them for themselves - some may wish to impress their friends - and some may be looking at resale value
Many years ago I purchased a pair of Vandersteen 4's - and they came with a pair of really ugly speaker cables included (made up of super-heavy coaxial cable). They were thrown in, unmentioned, by the original owner.
They nearly ended up in the trash several times - but ended up in a drawer instead. Then, years later, when I was selling off a bunch of gear in preparation of moving to Tennessee, someone who was buying a lot of other gear recognized them lying there - and offered me $50 for them. At which point I was sure glad I hadn't thrown them away.
(And, no, they didn't sound any different than the more attractive, and longer, but apparently much cheaper, cables I replaced them with.)
What I find amazing is how many "closet cablers" there are. No one wants to say they are interested in higher end cables but I have numerous requests to buy this particular cable if I determine it to be snake oil! LOL
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Post by amped on May 7, 2019 13:46:40 GMT -5
So the hoses Errr the cables just arrived at my work and I unboxed them and I am amazed at the girth (please no comments on girth. lol) they are huge and much, much more substantial then I imagined. I mean they are literally the size of a garden hose! (pics tonight) I will say at the very least I am very impressed with the build quality.
I will address some of KL's bullet points now in hopes to give everyone a sense of my motivation to try these cables...
From KiethL as to why:
- some may actually be sure they hear a difference- As for me I genuinely hope there is a difference in sound/presentation I am moving a kilowatt of power that actually would net more power because all my bass power is being supplied by independent built in subs. They are 2 feet shorter with much more actual cable material and spades not my current Bananas.
- some may wish to simply try them for themselves- Here we are.
- some may wish to impress their friends- I have no friends...Let me rephrase that...I mean I have no local Audiophile friends that would appreciate anything I do with my Audio it is my personal thing.
- and some may be looking at resale value- Yes I did steal them as I have most of my Audio purchases the seller knew he had a limited market not based so much based on cost but more the length of these cables which is only 6' with very little flexibility, not too many configurations of gear stacks would they would work in. For me I moved my amps next to there respective speaker on stands so they are perfect for me.
So I will update this thread tonight with some info on installation and pics.
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 14:02:01 GMT -5
"So the hoses Errr the cables just arrived at my work and I unboxed them and I am amazed at the girth (please no comments on girth. lol) they are huge and much, much more substantial then I imagined. I mean they are literally the size of a garden hose!" Now hold on here for just a moment!!!! You're not supposed to poke fun at those Cadillac cables...…..(That's OUR job) …….. Though you are right to do so . The only thing I can promise you, is that they will work, as well as the ones at Home Depot that can be had for around 15 bucks. Bill
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Post by amped on May 7, 2019 14:34:47 GMT -5
Oh Bill...Ye of little faith! You do know the world is round and not flat right? However, I am inclined to agree with you that these cables would not be of much benefit to your antique Philco era gear but the great news is Radio Shack and The Home Depot is sure to have all the fuses/parts/cables you may need to keep that Stereophonic gear kickin'
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 16:04:49 GMT -5
Oh Bill...Ye of little faith! You do know the world is round and not flat right? However, I am inclined to agree with you that these cables would not be of much benefit to your antique Philco era gear but the great news is Radio Shack and The Home Depot is sure to have all the fuses/parts/cables you may need to keep that Stereophonic gear kickin' I hate breaking the news to you, but the facts regarding proper loudspeaker wiring (from a professional electrical engineering standpoint) are older than any equipment I’ve ever had. Bill
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 7, 2019 19:57:25 GMT -5
Against my better judgment I decided to chime in. I’ve been silent on the forum for a long time bc it seems like many people on here have their minds made up about what does and doesn’t work in audio and are very quick to insist about what cannot work although they themselves have never tried such things (expensive cables, tweaks, resonators or anything that does not come off the shelf at a mainstream electronics store. It frustrated me for a while and then I realized I was growing and keeping an open mind to the advances in technology while others might not have been.
Rather than get baited into the argument of what does and does not work I will say that in the past year I’ve invested another $40k into upgrading my reference 2 channel system and almost half of that was spent slowly one cable at a time. One tweak at a time. If something did not improve the sound quality and enhance my listening experience then that piece was promptly returned. More things went back and failed my test than stayed in my system. But there are those special things that made me enjoy hearing music through my system even more. That was my primary objective.
In the past year I’ve been very active in an audio circle of people who know much more than I do. I’ve grown more from my interactions with them in 12 months in knowledge and experience than I did in the decade before. One of my close friends is now in charge of product development at Onkyo USA and the other works at Marantz/Denon. Others have been on the sales floors selling boutique audio gear since the 1980’s. While we all have different preferences I have the unusual ability to do shoot outs with gear and cables in controlled situations that the average person might not. Before buying a piece of gear or cable it gets put through the paces of my system which I’m into almost 6 figures on but then on systems that literally dwarf my gear. So while some might enjoy poking fun at the technology I will say that at least I’m not stuck buying blindly and anyone who prejudges a piece based upon price is a fool.
I’ve heard very expensive gear sound terrible and I’ve heard a $100 interconnect piss all over a $2500 pair or interconnects. My point is if you haven’t experienced the actual gear being asked about or discussed, blanket opinions about such topics are uneducated and ignorant. To say that “no cable blah blah blah” is just a statement of how limited your knowledge and experience is in audio.
I accept not everyone suffers from audiophilia the way I have for most of my life. But if I enjoy something and it sounds good to Me who the heck are you to tell me the measurements don’t support it. Measurements look good on paper. The way we perceive sound is not 100% consistent with measurements. Equally have you ever heard a ruler flat in room response? Humans tend to think the bass is lacking and the highs are a bit shrill. On paper it looks good but in reality you bought the subwoofer to increase you low end response to make it sound fuller. That might not be ruler flat but a slight boost in the low end makes us think it sounds better.
I agree not to judge other people based on their preferences but by the same token please don’t judge mine. Before the days of Internet forums audio used to be fun. Its time to lighten up and enjoy the music. Lamp cord or boutique cables who gives a crap?
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Post by rbk123 on May 7, 2019 21:03:43 GMT -5
So I will update this thread tonight with some info on installation and pics.
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Post by amped on May 7, 2019 21:19:11 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 21:20:12 GMT -5
“Rather than get baited into the argument of what does and does not work I will say that in the past year I’ve invested another $40k into upgrading my reference 2 channel system” Did you say, ANOTHER FORTY THOUSAND??? on 2 channels??? Where did the first FORTY GRAND go? Bill
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Post by amped on May 7, 2019 21:31:42 GMT -5
Bill You may be right! This guy also agrees with you and your assessment that zipcord will work just as good.
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 7, 2019 21:32:11 GMT -5
Without a full accounting statement, $20k in cables, power cords and accessories (Schuman Resonators, Quantum resonators, related accessories, etc).
$15k between turntable, tonearm, cartridge and phono preamp
$2-3k room treatments and related items.
To start I had:
$20k speakers $7k CD player $2k jitter filters / upsampler $7k amp / preamp Plus various accessories.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 22:10:01 GMT -5
“Rather than get baited into the argument of what does and does not work I will say that in the past year I’ve invested another $40k into upgrading my reference 2 channel system” Did you say, ANOTHER FORTY THOUSAND??? on 2 channels??? Where did the first FORTY GRAND go? Bill I spent about $2800 on my 2.1 reference system. It's perfect for my very picky ears. I spent $38,270 not on an audio system upgrade, but instead on an Italian upgrade to my Japanese four seat system. (In D - Dynamic transmission mode or 8 speed manual paddle shifters, it sounds awesome! - no break-in needed.)
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Post by lehighvalleyjeff on May 7, 2019 22:12:02 GMT -5
Did you say, ANOTHER FORTY THOUSAND??? on 2 channels??? Where did the first FORTY GRAND go? Bill I spent about $2800 on my 2.1 reference system. It's perfect for my very picky ears. I spent $38,270 not on an audio system upgrade, but instead on an Italian upgrade to my Japanese four seat system. View Attachment I get it! She’s a beauty! Gorgeous!
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 22:12:20 GMT -5
Without a full accounting statement, $20k in cables, power cords and accessories (Schuman Resonators, Quantum resonators, related accessories, etc). $15k between turntable, tonearm, cartridge and phono preamp $2-3k room treatments and related items. To start I had: $20k speakers $7k CD player $2k jitter filters / upsampler $7k amp / preamp Plus various accessories. To save a bit, I filter my own jitters.🧐
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 22:15:30 GMT -5
View AttachmentBill You may be right! This guy also agrees with you and your assessment that zipcord will work just as good. He’s got a lot of company
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Post by 405x5 on May 7, 2019 22:17:17 GMT -5
Did you say, ANOTHER FORTY THOUSAND??? on 2 channels??? Where did the first FORTY GRAND go? Bill I spent about $2800 on my 2.1 reference system. It's perfect for my very picky ears. I spent $38,270 not on an audio system upgrade, but instead on an Italian upgrade to my Japanese four seat system. View Attachment Whoa! (Nice)
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