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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 9, 2019 11:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by cwt on Oct 9, 2019 12:07:15 GMT -5
A good run through of the RMC1s capabilities but shouldn't be strictly comparing 2 other prepros sound qualities without the RMC1 having its PEQ adjusted with REW imo.. Or if time poor get a HAA member to do it instead The quote he makes ' "when we do get proper room correction" is rather telling where his attitude is
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Post by creimes on Oct 9, 2019 16:21:31 GMT -5
A good run through of the RMC1s capabilities but shouldn't be strictly comparing 2 other prepros sound qualities without the RMC1 having its PEQ adjusted with REW imo.. Or if time poor get a HAA member to do it instead The quote he makes ' "when we do get proper room correction" is rather telling where his attitude is Have you heard the term "Ones measure is of it's true self" or something like that hahaha
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Post by jagman on Oct 10, 2019 22:10:54 GMT -5
A good run through of the RMC1s capabilities but shouldn't be strictly comparing 2 other prepros sound qualities without the RMC1 having its PEQ adjusted with REW imo.. Or if time poor get a HAA member to do it instead The quote he makes ' "when we do get proper room correction" is rather telling where his attitude is I liked that the reviewer seemed authentic and that he didn't pull any punches. Most of his comments seem to be pretty consistent with what you read from existing owners. I think most owners would be quite happy if they could get DIRAC out along with DTS:X PRO and have it run for the most part trouble free. I just didn't see them adding Auro 3D and Auromatic Pro even though many of us would love it.
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Post by cwt on Oct 11, 2019 1:27:28 GMT -5
I liked that the reviewer seemed authentic and that he didn't pull any punches. Most of his comments seem to be pretty consistent with what you read from existing owners. I think most owners would be quite happy if they could get DIRAC out along with DTS:X PRO and have it run for the most part trouble free. I just didn't see them adding Auro 3D and Auromatic Pro even though many of us would love it. Yes ; more comprehensive than many you tube reviewers but as stated he will have to revisit his thoughts when Dirac comes If Auro3d was offered how many would say " wont pay a license fee for just an upmixer" . I cant blame Emo for that standpoint as much as another upmixer would be welcome More important things like sub bass management need to be worked out imho and that is intrinsic with dirac2.0 .. I wonder too how many studios have the requisite plug in for Auro pro in their DAW desks even now www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1094097-REG/minneto nka_audio_am3d_auro_matic_pro_3d.html
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Post by jagman on Oct 11, 2019 7:45:48 GMT -5
I liked that the reviewer seemed authentic and that he didn't pull any punches. Most of his comments seem to be pretty consistent with what you read from existing owners. I think most owners would be quite happy if they could get DIRAC out along with DTS:X PRO and have it run for the most part trouble free. I just didn't see them adding Auro 3D and Auromatic Pro even though many of us would love it. Yes ; more comprehensive than many you tube reviewers but as stated he will have to revisit his thoughts when Dirac comes If Auro3d was offered how many would say " wont pay a license fee for just an upmixer" . I cant blame Emo for that standpoint as much as another upmixer would be welcome More important things like sub bass management need to be worked out imho and that is intrinsic with dirac2.0 .. I wonder too how many studios have the requisite plug in for Auro pro in their DAW desks even now www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1094097-REG/minneto nka_audio_am3d_auro_matic_pro_3d.html Agreed 100%
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 11, 2019 8:30:36 GMT -5
(engages flame suit)
I will say this about Dirac: There is no special sauce about the audio calibration it provides that you can't already get with your existing RMC-1 tuned manually. It takes more time to get there but you absolutely can calibrate the RMC-1 to the same amazing quality sound as Dirac can provide.
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Post by Hair Nick on Oct 11, 2019 8:33:53 GMT -5
I liked that the reviewer seemed authentic and that he didn't pull any punches. Most of his comments seem to be pretty consistent with what you read from existing owners. I think most owners would be quite happy if they could get DIRAC out along with DTS:X PRO and have it run for the most part trouble free. I just didn't see them adding Auro 3D and Auromatic Pro even though many of us would love it. Yes ; more comprehensive than many you tube reviewers but as stated he will have to revisit his thoughts when Dirac comes If Auro3d was offered how many would say " wont pay a license fee for just an upmixer" . I cant blame Emo for that standpoint as much as another upmixer would be welcome More important things like sub bass management need to be worked out imho and that is intrinsic with dirac2.0 .. I wonder too how many studios have the requisite plug in for Auro pro in their DAW desks even now www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1094097-REG/minneto nka_audio_am3d_auro_matic_pro_3d.html It isn't so much a licensing cost factor, coding and time is a bigger factor. We have to prioritize what we want to add next to the processor and there are bigger pieces like Dirac, expansion modules, and DTSX Pro way ahead of Auro right now.
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Post by cwmcobra on Oct 11, 2019 10:37:48 GMT -5
Nick,
Thanks for giving us a bit of a preview regarding priorities for the processors. Much appreciated!
Chuck
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Post by cwt on Oct 11, 2019 11:12:44 GMT -5
It isn't so much a licensing cost factor, coding and time is a bigger factor. We have to prioritize what we want to add next to the processor and there are bigger pieces like Dirac, expansion modules, and DTSX Pro way ahead of Auro right now. Good to hear and some of those priorities are intertwined/enabling others like Diracs sub bass management module that Keith has mentioned and those expansion modules . Incorporating multiple subs without a minidsp has been a priority for many for a long time so certainly understandable its importance Its fair to say the PEQ in the RMC1 is comprehensively superior to the one in a Yammie CXA 5100 which only has 7 eq bands per channel
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 11, 2019 11:19:29 GMT -5
(engages flame suit) I will say this about Dirac: There is no special sauce about the audio calibration it provides that you can't already get with your existing RMC-1 tuned manually. It takes more time to get there but you absolutely can calibrate the RMC-1 to the same amazing quality sound as Dirac can provide. How many bands of peq are available per speaker on the RMC/xmc ? Can you use all on the sub or is it limited to 2or3 the way the pt7030 was ?
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 11, 2019 11:32:49 GMT -5
It isn't so much a licensing cost factor, coding and time is a bigger factor. We have to prioritize what we want to add next to the processor and there are bigger pieces like Dirac, expansion modules, and DTSX Pro way ahead of Auro right now. Good to hear and some of those priorities are intertwined/enabling others like Diracs sub bass management module that Keith has mentioned and those expansion modules . Incorporating multiple subs without a minidsp has been a priority for many for a long time so certainly understandable its importance Its fair to say the PEQ in the RMC1 is comprehensively superior to the one in a Yammie CXA 5100 which only has 7 eq bands per channel I’m curious what downsides choosing to go the minidsp route for BEQ has vs what the sub expansions will offer. Do you know why people are anxious to get away from minidsp?
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Post by cwt on Oct 11, 2019 11:51:18 GMT -5
I’m curious what downsides choosing to go the minidsp route for BEQ has vs what the sub expansions will offer. Do you know why people are anxious to get away from minidsp? Was referencing the mini dsps capabilities to combine a couple of subs and calibrate them to a room as one rather than individually . One less box needed with Diracs sub bass management top tier incorporated in the RMC1 doing the same thing in the preferred digital domain That leaves any BEQ performed by the mini dsp up in the air of course [ unless the RMC1 can use its own PEQ to emulate the response somehow] . The other factor is the extra a/d d/a conversions required by the minidsp [ if that's a concern ?]
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Post by lrobertson on Oct 11, 2019 12:16:27 GMT -5
Yeah I was aware of the extra conversion but hoping it wouldn’t be audible with the lower frequencies. I’ll look into it more. I am interested in what the top Dirac tier offers. Thanks!
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 11, 2019 17:29:44 GMT -5
(engages flame suit) I will say this about Dirac: There is no special sauce about the audio calibration it provides that you can't already get with your existing RMC-1 tuned manually. It takes more time to get there but you absolutely can calibrate the RMC-1 to the same amazing quality sound as Dirac can provide. I thought Dirac also modified the sound in the time domain somehow, I doubt manual peq can accomplish this if that is the case?
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Post by bolle on Oct 11, 2019 18:20:07 GMT -5
(engages flame suit) I will say this about Dirac: There is no special sauce about the audio calibration it provides that you can't already get with your existing RMC-1 tuned manually. It takes more time to get there but you absolutely can calibrate the RMC-1 to the same amazing quality sound as Dirac can provide. I thought Dirac also modified the sound in the time domain somehow, I doubt manual peq can accomplish this if that is the case? You are correct. DIRAC uses a mix of IIR and FIR filters where the PEQ only uses IIR filters. So Nick is not entirely correct here, DIRAC can do a bit more than the PEQ of the RMC / XMC can. Still he is correct that a skilled calibrator can also achieve very good or even better results with the PEQ than with DIRAC.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 12, 2019 21:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 12, 2019 21:33:21 GMT -5
(engages flame suit) I will say this about Dirac: There is no special sauce about the audio calibration it provides that you can't already get with your existing RMC-1 tuned manually. It takes more time to get there but you absolutely can calibrate the RMC-1 to the same amazing quality sound as Dirac can provide. How many bands of peq are available per speaker on the RMC/xmc ? Can you use all on the sub or is it limited to 2or3 the way the pt7030 was ? There are 11 filters per channel, and yes that means the subwoofer channels as well.
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Post by emofrmcgy on Oct 12, 2019 21:40:03 GMT -5
How many bands of peq are available per speaker on the RMC/xmc ? Can you use all on the sub or is it limited to 2or3 the way the pt7030 was ? There are 11 filters per channel, and yes that means the subwoofer channels as well. I did see in the specs that there was 11. Just wanted to clarify that you could actually use all 11 on the sub channel. So thank you. What Are the distances measurement increments ? And they can be set individually for each subwoofer ?
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 12, 2019 23:17:04 GMT -5
There are 11 filters per channel, and yes that means the subwoofer channels as well. I did see in the specs that there was 11. Just wanted to clarify that you could actually use all 11 on the sub channel. So thank you. What Are the distances measurement increments ? And they can be set individually for each subwoofer ? Feet & inches or meters for distances, (1in increments or 0.1 meter increments)each channel including the subwoofers are set individually.
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