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Post by boomzilla on Nov 28, 2019 15:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by adaboy on Nov 28, 2019 15:59:06 GMT -5
Nice piece Boom! Now can you please update your avatar to the old one? The visually stimulating one?
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Post by boomzilla on Nov 28, 2019 16:07:22 GMT -5
Nice piece Boom! Now can you please update your avatar to the old one? The visually stimulating one? Thank you kindly - To which avatar do you refer?
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Post by adaboy on Nov 28, 2019 16:12:31 GMT -5
Nice piece Boom! Now can you please update your avatar to the old one? The visually stimulating one? Thank you kindly - To which avatar do you refer? The one with the face. It had mechanical parts in it? It's the one that I remember you by when I very first joined. I still see it when I see your username pop up. š
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Post by repeetavx on Nov 28, 2019 16:21:02 GMT -5
Glenn of course has it nailed. They sound different.
I grew up with analog and didn't own my first CD player until I was 32 years old.
For movies digital is perfect and makes the movie sound more "real". But for two channel, I find that the opposite is true. Then again it may be my "old man" bias.
Here's the real kicker though. Sit in a recording studio and record the same performance with both a digital system and an analog system simultaneously. Then have the performer re-perform and compare each recording to the live performance. You'll find that all three of them sound different.
The live performance and the analog playback will sound more "musical". But the digital recording will reproduce more clues that will make you think that you're more "there". That's why digital is perfect for movies. I believe that MQA restores some of the musicality, but I doubt that it will get any farther than SACD did.
So go for convenience or lushness. Or do what most of us do, have both. Digital for the majority of the time, and vinyl for the days you want to take the time and "bask" in the sound.
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Post by boomzilla on Nov 28, 2019 17:51:44 GMT -5
The one with the face. It had mechanical parts in it? It's the one that I remember you by when I very first joined. I still see it when I see your username pop up. š Done!
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Post by cgolf on Nov 28, 2019 18:53:46 GMT -5
I didn't vote because "better" is too broad a term for me to answer one or the other. I just bought another old receiver for the amp to listen to 2 channel music because I think music/CDs sounds better through the older amps. Better being flowing, musical, less harsh. However as the article said, digital will have more of the music and more detailed. Also better. So better is in the ear of the listener.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Nov 28, 2019 19:38:31 GMT -5
Yikes. A loaded question. I do not own any vinyl. I probably never will. Itās not because I believe digital is better itās because I own all digital files and will invest in making those sound even better. Going vinyl just doesnāt seem like my priority at this point.
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Post by adaboy on Nov 28, 2019 19:44:58 GMT -5
The one with the face. It had mechanical parts in it? It's the one that I remember you by when I very first joined. I still see it when I see your username pop up. š Done! Yes! Welcome back Boom!
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 28, 2019 20:15:09 GMT -5
Iāll never forget how profound the āsounds of silenceā were back in the eighties, when I first started NOT HEARING scratches, skips and pops and could focus on a musical performance instead. Which sounds better? The noise or the lack there of is really the question.
Bill
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 28, 2019 20:30:23 GMT -5
I didn't vote because "better" is too broad a term for me to answer one or the other. I just bought another old receiver for the amp to listen to 2 channel music because I think music/CDs sounds better through the older amps. Better being flowing, musical, less harsh. However as the article said, digital will have more of the music and more detailed. Also better. So better is in the ear of the listener. Agree, I would also add that some vinyl versions (mixes etc) are simply better than their digital counterparts. If everything else is equal then on average digital sounds better, but it's very rare that "everything is equal". There is a lot of great music on vinyl that will never be better on digital because the source material (tape) is either non existent or beyond recovery. I have both and I enjoy listening to both and that's all that matters to me. Cheers Gary
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 28, 2019 21:33:48 GMT -5
I voted digital, but the topic had me thinking more about all the years that have gone by since the CD šæ put records to bed for me. 1984 roughly since my brother brought his player over to my place, and we hooked it up....WOW! (Game over)
I have still, a boxed up collection of classic favorites which is where they will stay until quite soon, when they will go to 1800 got junk. What else can I do with them? 2014 was the last time I spun a handful of the best. Now Iām done.
Bill
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Post by creimes on Nov 28, 2019 21:44:54 GMT -5
I voted no difference, why you asked well simply put some of my vinyl to my ears does sound better than the digital copy I own and vice versa, I recently purchased Tool's Lateralus on vinyl, a limited edition and it had a continuous static sound almost like a crackling fire in the background but very noticeable on my setup, so I returned as it was obviously a bad pressing and picked up one of my all time favorite recordings and Albums, Alice In Chains - MTV Unplugged and owning both the DVD and CD versions I can admit I am in love with the vinyl the most. I love both Digital and Vinyl Chad
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 28, 2019 23:50:29 GMT -5
I voted no difference, why you asked well simply put some of my vinyl to my ears does sound better than the digital copy I own and vice versa, I recently purchased Tool's Lateralus on vinyl, a limited edition and it had a continuous static sound almost like a crackling fire in the background but very noticeable on my setup, so I returned as it was obviously a bad pressing and picked up one of my all time favorite recordings and Albums, Alice In Chains - MTV Unplugged and owning both the DVD and CD versions I can admit I am in love with the vinyl the most. I love both Digital and Vinyl Chad Interesting about Lateralus. Admittedly, Iāve only ever listened to Tool in the digital domain. Their digital recordings are notoriously GOOD for sure. Bill
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Post by audiobill on Nov 29, 2019 7:39:45 GMT -5
A quandry for jazz lovers - the best as well as obscure performances were recorded via analog recorders on vinyl, which are near impossible to find in pristine condition.
And if they were mastered or remastered on a digital recorder, I don't get the point of playing them back on a turntable.
But digital offerings are somewhat limited in scope.
I settle for streaming what's available, but keep my Thorens TT at the ready.
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Post by geeqner on Dec 10, 2019 11:33:39 GMT -5
FROM "THE REALISTS" POINT OF VIEW: It IS "easier" to achieve relatively high-quality playback using even middle-of-the-road Digital and D-->A equipment. (At the ROOT of this is that it is easier to design electronic equipment that gets simple Zeroes and Ones "right" than it is to discern/resolve a veritably infinite number of analog values at widely-variable rates.)
THERE'S ALWAYS A TRADE-OFF: In Vinyl Analog there's almost ALWAYS some clicks, pops, hiss or other artifacts. Digital may "miss" some of the fine resolution between the Analog Peaks and Valleys of the signal - but in nearly ALL CASES, the channel separation, low noise floor, and lack of distortion and other artifacts in Digital outweighs whatever is lost in the conversion process. The "Trade-Off" equation (nearly?) always favors Digital.
IF IT'S "DONE RIGHT": Vinyl can still sound AWFULLY DARNED GOOD! Specifications, facts, and figures are ONE thing. Listening to and enjoying music is another. (some of us learned, at an early age, how to care for our record collection - so "OUR stuff" probably has A LOT less compromises, clicks, and skips than what you think of when you think "vinyl".) On Paper - it IS NOT "as good" as Digital. But in many cases, your ears will not notice the difference.
HOWEVER - AS A CHILD OF THE 1960s-1980s: Vinyl holds a certain warm nostalgia in my heart. I sometimes ENYOY the ritual of opening-up a big ol' Album and enjoying the cover art / liner notes etc. and the ritual of handling it with care, running the dust brush over it and setting the stylus down on it. This "ritual" encourages me to listen to a whole side instead of just "cherry-picking" tracks (MUCH easier to do on Digital) In this, I have sort-of "forced" myself to listen to / become exposed to music that I might have otherwise skipped-over.
At other times - I also enjoy the simplicity and/or ease of finding a particular track or artist on-line. or setting-up a playlist or loading our CD-Changer up with 5 CDs and letting it ride.
My wife asked me why I INSIST on hanging-on to my Turntable and Records when "CD is BETTER" and "Playing Records is a PAIN". I told her that although what she said IS largely TRUE: -I have A LOT of really nice music on Vinyl -Most of MY Vinyl sounds NEARLY as good as CD -I occasionally ENJOY the ritual of spinning-up a record -Keeping it really does not cost me anything. Replacing it would
My Vote would be "Digital IS Better, but I STILL enjoy Analog"
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Post by mgbpuff on Dec 10, 2019 11:55:27 GMT -5
The original sources of sound are analog in nature. The mode of propagation to our ears is analog in nature. Our hearing is analog in nature. The sad truth is that we gave up on trying to find more accurate analog means of achieving precision sound and turned to digital. It has taken many years for digital to approach in giving us an analog result that our ears truly can not differentiate from never having been anything but analog. We are close today and the other benefits of digital (storage, noise free, non contact, non wear out, etc.) have won out. But who knows where we could have gone concentrating on pure analog?
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Post by DYohn on Dec 10, 2019 11:59:25 GMT -5
It just doesn't matter to me. Been there done that with vinyl, never going back.
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Post by brubacca on Dec 10, 2019 12:15:42 GMT -5
I said no difference, but what I mean is they are both very valid mediums. Some albums sound better on Vinyl and some on Digital.
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Post by repeetavx on Dec 10, 2019 18:18:56 GMT -5
I can't help but think that to some of us, the inherent distortions that are built into the analog mechanisms, is associated with what us old guys associate with musicality.
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