Recommended in ceiling speaker?

[faralon]

Considering 7.1.4 - It appears Emotivas preferred method for Atmos sound is ceiling reflection with the A1. Is there a recommended in-ceiling speaker that is timbre matched to an Emotiva speaker system? A speaker that is purpose made for being mounted in the ceiling, as I would prefer to have a clean look and not have to figure out a way to mount 4 B1+’s in the ceiling. I’m gonna guess they’re not designed for wide dispersion either.

[kierre]

Emotiva does have in-ceiling speakers in the works. I believe they said they were currently in the development stage.

emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1015731/thread

If we could get them to comment on a possible release date, it may help to influence your decision. How hard can the ceiling speakers be right? I'm looking for 8" woofers in my configuration. Just grab one of their 8" woven fiber woofers and attach a directional tweeter (I think a directional Airmotiv folded ribbon tweeter would be sweet), price it with the usual Emotiva touch (remember, re-think High End) and zippity zap, done!

[novisnick]

I’ve purchased these and really like the price to performance ratio!
Call for better pricing.
rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/

[megash0n]

Feb 11, 2020 15:44:38 GMT -5 novisnick said:

I’ve purchased these and really like the price to performance ratio!
Call for better pricing.
rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/

Those are pretty

[novisnick]

Feb 11, 2020 15:49:28 GMT -5 megash0n said:

Feb 11, 2020 15:44:38 GMT -5 novisnick said:

I’ve purchased these and really like the price to performance ratio!
Call for better pricing.
rslspeakers.com/c34e-ceiling-speaker/

Those are pretty

They are, they sound very good too. I especially like the ability to aim them at the seating area.

[davidl81]

Feb 11, 2020 19:23:17 GMT -5 novisnick said:

Feb 11, 2020 15:49:28 GMT -5 megash0n said:

Those are pretty

They are, they sound very good too. I especially like the ability to aim them at the seating area.

So this brings up an interesting dilemma I am in for next week putting together a 5.1.4 system with a friend. Dolby recommendations the aiming speakers for the best sound at the main seating position. While I understand that, I do wonder how it effects the SQ for the other 5 seats in his setup (two rows of three chairs)? Do we lose quality in those seats while getting a better sound in the “sweet spot”, or should we do non amiable speakers so all seats have a similar Atmos experience?

[novisnick]

Feb 11, 2020 19:37:35 GMT -5 davidl81 said:

Feb 11, 2020 19:23:17 GMT -5 novisnick said:

They are, they sound very good too. I especially like the ability to aim them at the seating area.

So this brings up an interesting dilemma I am in for next week putting together a 5.1.4 system with a friend. Dolby recommendations the aiming speakers for the best sound at the main seating position. While I understand that, I do wonder how it effects the SQ for the other 5 seats in his setup (two rows of three chairs)? Do we lose quality in those seats while getting a better sound in the “sweet spot”, or should we do non amiable speakers so all seats have a similar Atmos experience?

No dilemma at all, you can “aim” speakers for a wide dispersal or for a pin-point.  Atmos data is rather different then center or left/right main speakers in such that it will come from a general direction vs a pin-point spot. The effect is rather nice. I would just experiment with the speakers as all you have to do is turn the speakers in the ceiling and take note of the sound and its effect. Setup if half the fun of HT. 

[novisnick]

I spent much of my time researching different “Atmos” speakers in many price brackets, what quality and amount of sound would be delivered from these speakers? Do they need to be of equal quality of my main speakers, I concluded no, they don’t have to articulate that precisely IMHO. Good should suffice, great would be overkill. In most cases there will be more then one speaker producing sound simultaneously. These are not the speakers you will be listening to as if it were two channel music.

That said, I think these speakers sound great and are a phenomenal value.

[faralon]

David81 - The Atmos documentation I downloaded straight from Dolby states: "If the chosen overhead speakers have a wide dispersion pattern (approximately 45 degrees from the acoustical reference axis over the audio band from 100Hz to 10kHZ or wider), then speakers may be mounted facing directly downward. For speakers with narrower dispersion patterns, those with aimable or angled elements should be angled toward the primary listening position." - So you don't "Have" to aim them if you find a wide dispersion speaker. They also state: "Overhead speakers with a wide dispersion pattern are desirable for use in a Dolby Atmos System". Sounds like they prefer that over aimable.

Novisnick - I agree that they don't have to be an amazing speaker. Dolby simply states that they recommend: "Choose overhead speakers that are timbre matched as closely as possible to the primary listener-level speakers."

[davidl81]

Feb 12, 2020 9:32:12 GMT -5 faralon said:

David81 - The Atmos documentation I downloaded straight from Dolby states: "If the chosen overhead speakers have a wide dispersion pattern (approximately 45 degrees from the acoustical reference axis over the audio band from 100Hz to 10kHZ or wider), then speakers may be mounted facing directly downward. For speakers with narrower dispersion patterns, those with aimable or angled elements should be angled toward the primary listening position." - So you don't "Have" to aim them if you find a wide dispersion speaker. They also state: "Overhead speakers with a wide dispersion pattern are desirable for use in a Dolby Atmos System". Sounds like they prefer that over aimable.

Novisnick - I agree that they don't have to be an amazing speaker. Dolby simply states that they recommends: "Choose overhead speakers that are timbre matched as closely as possible to the primary listener-level speakers."

Thanks Faralon!  We are going to use some fairly inexpensive Klipsch R-1650C in ceiling speakers.  They are actually the first ones I had in my Atmos setup but I replaced them with some larger Monoprice speakers.  He bought some Klipsch speakers on craigslist (R-820F Mains) which I know are the "bottom of the line" of the Klipsch.  But he bought the L/R speakers for $250 (retail for 1k) and the center for $100(R-34C, retails for $350) and at that price point it was pretty tough to tell him to buy something else.  So we will have all of these running through a Marantz SR7011 we got from Accessories 4 less.  While not a top of the line system, I think since he is 95% HT use its going to sound really good.  I have another thread I started about his setup that I will update.  We do the build next weekend.