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Post by creimes on Jul 29, 2020 18:02:05 GMT -5
I had ordered the XMC1 to XMC2 tradeup back in late may but it took me a minute to get the XMC1 box out of storage and pack it up and send it off. I finally got around to it a couple of weeks ago. I got notice this week that my XMC2 and the dirac live kit were shipping and I should have the unit on friday and the kit on saturday. Question is... do I update to 2.0 or not? I was thinking to set it all up as is and test everything. If all is solid, then perform the update. I had no issues with my XMC1 and I'm not about to update to 4k yet, but I had never updated the XMC1 hardware so when I decided to get the board, it was unavailable. The tradeup became available first so I just did that instead. Do you guys who went from XMC1 to G3P notice a difference in audio quality? The 2.0 update IS needed if you want to run Dirac, as far as sound quality the XMC-2 sounds amazing so far but then again so did the XMC-1 to my ears haha, you would almost need to have them side by side and switch back and forth, having something new most always a mental boost in terms of it sounding better lol
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 29, 2020 18:17:32 GMT -5
I had ordered the XMC1 to XMC2 tradeup back in late may but it took me a minute to get the XMC1 box out of storage and pack it up and send it off. I finally got around to it a couple of weeks ago. I got notice this week that my XMC2 and the dirac live kit were shipping and I should have the unit on friday and the kit on saturday. Question is... do I update to 2.0 or not? I was thinking to set it all up as is and test everything. If all is solid, then perform the update. I had no issues with my XMC1 and I'm not about to update to 4k yet, but I had never updated the XMC1 hardware so when I decided to get the board, it was unavailable. The tradeup became available first so I just did that instead. Do you guys who went from XMC1 to G3P notice a difference in audio quality? Since Dirac is now available and your unit just shipped (and for the most part, all are fresh builds), your unit may already have 2.0 pre-installed. Once you have it setup, just check the firmware version. If it’s not 2.0, then you know you’ll have to update before you can use Dirac. 😉
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Post by chuckintex on Jul 29, 2020 18:33:18 GMT -5
I had ordered the XMC1 to XMC2 tradeup back in late may but it took me a minute to get the XMC1 box out of storage and pack it up and send it off. I finally got around to it a couple of weeks ago. I got notice this week that my XMC2 and the dirac live kit were shipping and I should have the unit on friday and the kit on saturday. Question is... do I update to 2.0 or not? I was thinking to set it all up as is and test everything. If all is solid, then perform the update. I had no issues with my XMC1 and I'm not about to update to 4k yet, but I had never updated the XMC1 hardware so when I decided to get the board, it was unavailable. The tradeup became available first so I just did that instead. Do you guys who went from XMC1 to G3P notice a difference in audio quality? Since Dirac is now available and your unit just shipped (and for the most part, all are fresh builds), your unit may already have 2.0 pre-installed. Once you have it setup, just check the firmware version. If it’s not 2.0, then you know you’ll have to update before you can use Dirac. 😉 When I got notice of shipping I wrote them and asked about the firmware version and was informed that it would ship with 1.10 but that they would be more than happy to assist me with the update as necessary. It's possible that my unit was earmarked and assigned to when I bought it, rather than roughly 6 weeks later when I finally shipped my XMC1. I guess I was hoping it would already be 2.0. but *shrug*
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Post by creimes on Jul 29, 2020 20:19:31 GMT -5
Since Dirac is now available and your unit just shipped (and for the most part, all are fresh builds), your unit may already have 2.0 pre-installed. Once you have it setup, just check the firmware version. If it’s not 2.0, then you know you’ll have to update before you can use Dirac. 😉 When I got notice of shipping I wrote them and asked about the firmware version and was informed that it would ship with 1.10 but that they would be more than happy to assist me with the update as necessary. It's possible that my unit was earmarked and assigned to when I bought it, rather than roughly 6 weeks later when I finally shipped my XMC1. I guess I was hoping it would already be 2.0. but *shrug* Received my XMC-2 on Monday and it was shipped last week and was 1.10 so I did the update to 2.0 as I was having some odd behavior with 1.10 installed, so far it's been good though on 2.0 now. Chad
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Post by markc on Jul 30, 2020 3:55:49 GMT -5
Yes absolutely, the question is why the trigger board is disabled during Dirac setting up only on the XMC-2 and not the RMC, isn't supposed to be the same plateforme and software? Really don't care, just letting folks know they don't have to disconnect the triggered. I agree on that, it doesn't matter that I have to do this for Dirac, but this difference highlights that we have assumed that for these faults and errors we are seeing (not just with Dirac but all over) that all G3P behave the same, Now, perhaps it cannot be taken for granted that the XMC-2 = RMC-1 = RMC-1L with regards to functionality of processing and these spurious firmware issues may vary between them.. Even the RMC-1 cannot be taken to behave the same as an RMC-1L if only it has some circuitry that will (possibly, eventually, maybe, potentially as a might be) internally branch off and connect internal inputs and outputs to the expansion slots.
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Post by markc on Jul 30, 2020 4:06:29 GMT -5
I had ordered the XMC1 to XMC2 tradeup back in late may but it took me a minute to get the XMC1 box out of storage and pack it up and send it off. I finally got around to it a couple of weeks ago. I got notice this week that my XMC2 and the dirac live kit were shipping and I should have the unit on friday and the kit on saturday. Question is... do I update to 2.0 or not? I was thinking to set it all up as is and test everything. If all is solid, then perform the update. I had no issues with my XMC1 and I'm not about to update to 4k yet, but I had never updated the XMC1 hardware so when I decided to get the board, it was unavailable. The tradeup became available first so I just did that instead. Do you guys who went from XMC1 to G3P notice a difference in audio quality? Since Dirac is now available and your unit just shipped (and for the most part, all are fresh builds), your unit may already have 2.0 pre-installed. Once you have it setup, just check the firmware version. If it’s not 2.0, then you know you’ll have to update before you can use Dirac. 😉 If yours ships with 1.10, which is more likely (Mine came with 1.8 when 1.9 had been and gone and 2.0 was weeks old), you have the dilemma of: 1) Enjoying it with a (mostly) working firmware 1.10 and accept no Dirac, and wait for 2.1 (or 2.2, or 2.3 (!)) or 2) Take the small risk of a bricked unit from a firmware update that gives you access to Dirac but breaks a few things in the meantime and intermittently stops you enjoying even basic listening/watching. Option number 2 also introduces the need to do an extra firmware update when a more suitable one comes, and a second heart in mouth moment of "will it work or not?". There are lots of people with uneventful updates to 2.0 but the benefits of digital trickery room response compensation from Dirac (I loved it on my XMC-1) are outweighed by the losses imo Personally, I would uninstall 2.0 in a heartbeat and go back to 1.10 if only the firmware update were not a touch and go process
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Post by megash0n on Jul 30, 2020 6:16:01 GMT -5
Really don't care, just letting folks know they don't have to disconnect the triggered. I agree on that, it doesn't matter that I have to do this for Dirac, but this difference highlights that we have assumed that for these faults and errors we are seeing (not just with Dirac but all over) that all G3P behave the same, Now, perhaps it cannot be taken for granted that the XMC-2 = RMC-1 = RMC-1L with regards to functionality of processing and these spurious firmware issues may vary between them.. Even the RMC-1 cannot be taken to behave the same as an RMC-1L if only it has some circuitry that will (possibly, eventually, maybe, potentially as a might be) internally branch off and connect internal inputs and outputs to the expansion slots. But, we love to make assumptions around here.
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Post by chuckintex on Aug 1, 2020 6:26:38 GMT -5
I had ordered the XMC1 to XMC2 tradeup back in late may but it took me a minute to get the XMC1 box out of storage and pack it up and send it off. I finally got around to it a couple of weeks ago. I got notice this week that my XMC2 and the dirac live kit were shipping and I should have the unit on friday and the kit on saturday. Question is... do I update to 2.0 or not? I was thinking to set it all up as is and test everything. If all is solid, then perform the update. I had no issues with my XMC1 and I'm not about to update to 4k yet, but I had never updated the XMC1 hardware so when I decided to get the board, it was unavailable. The tradeup became available first so I just did that instead. Do you guys who went from XMC1 to G3P notice a difference in audio quality? I believe the audio has improved with my xmc-2 UPDATE: XMC2 arrived Thursday afternoon, (a day earlier than alleged by tracking!) It was, indeed, 1.10. I immediately dropped what I was doing and went to installing. I set the distances and did a quick level with the spl and test tones and went to listening. I do think it's better than the XMC1. The dirac kit has not arrived yet and it's bloody storming here so I think I won't risk the upgrade during this madness. So far so good. Probably 15 hours of duty so far and it has been flawless. Still working out bits of the fine tuning with control via CEC with the rest of my kit. The XMC1 had been in for so long that I just forgot how that bit was all setup so some trial and error there that I'm sure I'll have sorted soon. Sunday looks to be a nicer day so, assuming the kit arrives today per the tracking, I expect that tomorrow (along with the wife and kids all going for a visit to my inlaws) will provide a lovely window of time to perform the upgrades and calibrations via dirac.
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Post by markc on Aug 1, 2020 8:29:00 GMT -5
I believe the audio has improved with my xmc-2 UPDATE: XMC2 arrived Thursday afternoon, (a day earlier than alleged by tracking!) It was, indeed, 1.10. I immediately dropped what I was doing and went to installing. I set the distances and did a quick level with the spl and test tones and went to listening. I do think it's better than the XMC1. The dirac kit has not arrived yet and it's bloody storming here so I think I won't risk the upgrade during this madness. So far so good. Probably 15 hours of duty so far and it has been flawless. Still working out bits of the fine tuning with control via CEC with the rest of my kit. The XMC1 had been in for so long that I just forgot how that bit was all setup so some trial and error there that I'm sure I'll have sorted soon. Sunday looks to be a nicer day so, assuming the kit arrives today per the tracking, I expect that tomorrow (along with the wife and kids all going for a visit to my inlaws) will provide a lovely window of time to perform the upgrades and calibrations via dirac. Enjoy! Just know that your current enjoyment now of the XMC-2 comes at a price later! When your Dirac kit comes, if we are still on 2.0 firmware and you (imo make the mistake and) install it, you will realise what you have now and want it back! (without the risk of bricking your unit)
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Post by foggy1956 on Aug 1, 2020 10:10:19 GMT -5
UPDATE: XMC2 arrived Thursday afternoon, (a day earlier than alleged by tracking!) It was, indeed, 1.10. I immediately dropped what I was doing and went to installing. I set the distances and did a quick level with the spl and test tones and went to listening. I do think it's better than the XMC1. The dirac kit has not arrived yet and it's bloody storming here so I think I won't risk the upgrade during this madness. So far so good. Probably 15 hours of duty so far and it has been flawless. Still working out bits of the fine tuning with control via CEC with the rest of my kit. The XMC1 had been in for so long that I just forgot how that bit was all setup so some trial and error there that I'm sure I'll have sorted soon. Sunday looks to be a nicer day so, assuming the kit arrives today per the tracking, I expect that tomorrow (along with the wife and kids all going for a visit to my inlaws) will provide a lovely window of time to perform the upgrades and calibrations via dirac. Enjoy! Just know that your current enjoyment now of the XMC-2 comes at a price later! When your Dirac kit comes, if we are still on 2.0 firmware and you (imo make the mistake and) install it, you will realise what you have now and want it back! (without the risk of bricking your unit) Hasn't been my experience, 6db Harmon curve is awesome with Dirac.
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Post by markc on Aug 1, 2020 14:11:47 GMT -5
Enjoy! Just know that your current enjoyment now of the XMC-2 comes at a price later! When your Dirac kit comes, if we are still on 2.0 firmware and you (imo make the mistake and) install it, you will realise what you have now and want it back! (without the risk of bricking your unit) Hasn't been my experience, 6db Harmon curve is awesome with Dirac. And, truthfully, not one lockup or need to hard reset or failure to lock onto an audio stream since installing 2,0?
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Post by foggy1956 on Aug 1, 2020 14:53:23 GMT -5
Hasn't been my experience, 6db Harmon curve is awesome with Dirac. And, truthfully, not one lockup or need to hard reset or failure to lock onto an audio stream since installing 2,0? Nada
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 1, 2020 15:56:54 GMT -5
I had some issues initially, but none requiring a reset. I do get a static like click when re-starting a source, sometimes, but no more video or audio lockups, and have been playing with the thing quite a bit. Today for instance I have been tweaking the speaker settings. XMC-2, 2.0, 7.3.2, with todays sources being amongst other things, my new Tidal subscription
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Post by markc on Aug 1, 2020 18:25:51 GMT -5
I have just been watching. A lockup while the blu-ray was paused for a bathroom break
Hard reset number 23 (I'm not actually counting. It feels like I should be)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 20:21:48 GMT -5
When I started this thread I was more than a little upset, mad, frustrated & etc. I've been using my RMC-1 for many many months - good ones and bad. I've made a couple changes with equipment to try and make v.2.0 work and am closer to "tollerable stability" = not having to reboot the unit every time I turn it on. Dirac does appear to be working. There are still weird issues with garbled audio and occasional lockups. BUT... I took some time this afternoon to read a competitors' thread on AVS forum and ... it appears that we are not alone in our frustration. Aparently, even the "big boys" are enjoying a steep learning curve with Dirac and immersive audio/video processing.
I am going to try to keep rooting for the "little guys" ... The AVS thread kinda helped me gain some perspective.
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 1, 2020 21:03:17 GMT -5
So the grass is no greener in the more expensive pastures....
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Post by hogweed75 on Aug 1, 2020 21:15:21 GMT -5
Ever since I loaded v2 software I’ve been having the same issue with losing audio and sometimes freezing up. I had no problems at with my XMC-2 before loading v.2. As others have mentioned I have to completely turn it off and let it sit for several seconds before turning it back on. Frustrating when I was having some much luck in my system before v.2. Hope the bug can be fixed soon. I’m about ready to try and load an old version as I’m tired of this.
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Post by cawgijoe on Aug 1, 2020 21:58:43 GMT -5
Ever since I loaded v2 software I’ve been having the same issue with losing audio and sometimes freezing up. I had no problems at with my XMC-2 before loading v.2. As others have mentioned I have to completely turn it off and let it sit for several seconds before turning it back on. Frustrating when I was having some much luck in my system before v.2. Hope the bug can be fixed soon. I’m about ready to try and load an old version as I’m tired of this. They are working it....hoping soon.....it is very annoying.
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Post by markc on Aug 2, 2020 4:18:05 GMT -5
"Soon" is the problem. Firmware updates seem to be 2 months apart lately, with 7 firmware releases in 20 months. The big exception was the mini-furore after the AudioScience testing of the RMC finding some problems leading to a rapid turnaround and the 1.9 firmware issued to correct a specific bug. It is interesting to see number of page Views (Not number of downloads, of course, and I have physically downloaded the 2.0 four times and took a deep breath with each attempt to install but wanted to be sure that my ongoing problems were not due to the firmware continually failing to install without locking out and crashing during the update) 3643 page views for 1.10 2106 page views for 2.0
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Post by steelman1991 on Aug 2, 2020 6:14:41 GMT -5
And, truthfully, not one lockup or need to hard reset or failure to lock onto an audio stream since installing 2,0? Nada
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