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Post by klinemj on Sept 9, 2020 16:39:11 GMT -5
NOTE: THE ETHERNET PORT ON OUR PROCESSORS REALLY TAKES ABOUT THIRTY SECONDS (OR SLIGHTLY MORE) TO RESET. This means that, if you flip that Power switch to fully off, wait ten seconds, then turn it back on again, THE ETHERNET PORT PROBABLY WILL NOT WORK. (Because you didn't wait long enough.) And, if you don't wait long enough, the rest of the processor will reboot just fine... But the Ethernet port will not reinitialize and so will not work... And you'll go crazy wondering why it worked a minute ago and now it doesn't... THAT'S WHY WE SAID TO WAIT THIRTY SECONDS. How about a cron job to check the network stack and initiate a restart if needed? Ugly.. But it works. Just a suggestion. Why don't you just repeat the experiments that ttocs did and report your results? It seems very simple to do. Or, just do what Keith and ttocs recommend in waiting a minute. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me to try. And, if it works, super! Mark
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Post by megash0n on Sept 9, 2020 17:05:00 GMT -5
How about a cron job to check the network stack and initiate a restart if needed? Ugly.. But it works. Just a suggestion. Why don't you just repeat the experiments that ttocs did and report your results? It seems very simple to do. Or, just do what Keith and ttocs recommend in waiting a minute. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me to try. And, if it works, super! Mark Yes yes yes.. I forgot we are supposed to have a manual full of workarounds for the numerous weird behaviors this product lines presents us. Forgive me. But, for future reference, I do wait. Sometimes it works and sometimes I have to stand behind my processor for 15 mins trying to get what everyone else on the planet has no issues with to work (non Emotiva gear). Knowing how to jump through 17 hoops to make a high end product work shouldn't be our focus. We should expect things to just work. Or, did I mistakenly miss that we are part of an open-source community where very little ever works consistently? I really thought I paid a premium for high end gear. We are giving lectures and dissertations on how electronics had to be dealt with 70 years ago. We are debating a topic that has been admitted to be an issue for 3 years with what appears to be no effort into fixing. You do get why it is frustrating as hell to have to get out of bed at night to potentially spend 15 mins turning off a $5000 piece of AV gear just so you can control it again, right? Yes... It eventually works. It should NEVER be an issue. In 20+ years, I have NEVER turned on another piece of equipment and the network card failed to initialize for the reasons given. Unless there is something physically broken, or the OS doesn't have an appropriate driver, or somehow the driver or network stack becomes corrupted, it just WORKS. Immediately. What capacitors are we talking about that take 30 seconds to charge? Maybe some from 1947 made of wood. Anyways, let's not go in circles on this. Of all the things in this processor, we should NEVER be having a conversation about the NIC failing to initialize.
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Post by geebo on Sept 9, 2020 17:28:30 GMT -5
Why don't you just repeat the experiments that ttocs did and report your results? It seems very simple to do. Or, just do what Keith and ttocs recommend in waiting a minute. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me to try. And, if it works, super! Mark Yes yes yes.. I forgot we are supposed to have a manual full of workarounds for the numerous weird behaviors this product lines presents us. Forgive me. But, for future reference, I do wait. Sometimes it works and sometimes I have to stand behind my processor for 15 mins trying to get what everyone else on the planet has no issues with to work (non Emotiva gear). Knowing how to jump through 17 hoops to make a high end product work shouldn't be our focus. We should expect things to just work. Or, did I mistakenly miss that we are part of an open-source community where very little ever works consistently? I really thought I paid a premium for high end gear. We are giving lectures and dissertations on how electronics had to be dealt with 70 years ago. We are debating a topic that has been admitted to be an issue for 3 years with what appears to be no effort into fixing. You do get why it is frustrating as hell to have to get out of bed at night to potentially spend 15 mins turning off a $5000 piece of AV gear just so you can control it again, right? Yes... It eventually works. It should NEVER be an issue. In 20+ years, I have NEVER turned on another piece of equipment and the network card failed to initialize for the reasons given. Unless there is something physically broken, or the OS doesn't have an appropriate driver, or somehow the driver or network stack becomes corrupted, it just WORKS. Immediately. What capacitors are we talking about that take 30 seconds to charge? Maybe some from 1947 made of wood. Anyways, let's not go in circles on this. Of all the things in this processor, we should NEVER be having a conversation about the NIC failing to initialize. Maybe yours is defective. Have you thought about sending it in to be checked? Mine is like 100% reliable keeping my RMC in LPS.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 9, 2020 17:37:16 GMT -5
Yes yes yes.. I forgot we are supposed to have a manual full of workarounds for the numerous weird behaviors this product lines presents us. Forgive me. But, for future reference, I do wait. Sometimes it works and sometimes I have to stand behind my processor for 15 mins trying to get what everyone else on the planet has no issues with to work (non Emotiva gear). Knowing how to jump through 17 hoops to make a high end product work shouldn't be our focus. We should expect things to just work. Or, did I mistakenly miss that we are part of an open-source community where very little ever works consistently? I really thought I paid a premium for high end gear. We are giving lectures and dissertations on how electronics had to be dealt with 70 years ago. We are debating a topic that has been admitted to be an issue for 3 years with what appears to be no effort into fixing. You do get why it is frustrating as hell to have to get out of bed at night to potentially spend 15 mins turning off a $5000 piece of AV gear just so you can control it again, right? Yes... It eventually works. It should NEVER be an issue. In 20+ years, I have NEVER turned on another piece of equipment and the network card failed to initialize for the reasons given. Unless there is something physically broken, or the OS doesn't have an appropriate driver, or somehow the driver or network stack becomes corrupted, it just WORKS. Immediately. What capacitors are we talking about that take 30 seconds to charge? Maybe some from 1947 made of wood. Anyways, let's not go in circles on this. Of all the things in this processor, we should NEVER be having a conversation about the NIC failing to initialize. Maybe yours is defective. Have you thought about sending it in to be checked? Mine is like 100% reliable keeping my RMC in LPS. The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO)
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Post by Thunderduck on Sept 9, 2020 17:49:55 GMT -5
Maybe yours is defective. Have you thought about sending it in to be checked? Mine is like 100% reliable keeping my RMC in LPS. The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO) You have made some good points in the past and I thank you for those. I do have to wonder now if you are so displeased with the unit you have and the support Emotiva is or is not providing, why do you not return it and get something like the HTP-1? That is an excellent processor which I can attest to from actual experience. Seems like you would be much happier with something else. Take care.
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Post by Mikomill on Sept 9, 2020 17:55:51 GMT -5
The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO) You have made some good points in the past and I thank you for those. I do have to wonder now if you are so displease with the unit you have and the support Emotiva is or is not providing, why do you not return it and get something like the HTP-1? That is an excellent processor which I can attest to from actual experience. Seems like you would be much happier with something else. Take care. I agree! The constant bashing and whining is getting tiring. We just need that 1%.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 9, 2020 17:57:33 GMT -5
You have made some good points in the past and I thank you for those. I do have to wonder now if you are so displease with the unit you have and the support Emotiva is or is not providing, why do you not return it and get something like the HTP-1? That is an excellent processor which I can attest to from actual experience. Seems like you would be much happier with something else. Take care. I agree! The constant bashing and whining is getting tiring. We just need that 1%. You need way more than that. 😉
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Post by megash0n on Sept 9, 2020 18:02:11 GMT -5
The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO) You have made some good points in the past and I thank you for those. I do have to wonder now if you are so displeased with the unit you have and the support Emotiva is or is not providing, why do you not return it and get something like the HTP-1? That is an excellent processor which I can attest to from actual experience. Seems like you would be much happier with something else. Take care. It is quite possible. I do like the way the Emotiva sounds when it is doing something close to "right". I just want the dang thing to work and for about a half dozen people on here to stop excusing the countless issues. It really isn't much to ask for a product to work as sold. Or, is it? For the record, the bulk of what I complain about has been admitted by the Emotiva team as being a bug or an issue. They are actual problems whether all of us have them, or only %10 for various reasons.
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Post by Thunderduck on Sept 9, 2020 18:10:18 GMT -5
You have made some good points in the past and I thank you for those. I do have to wonder now if you are so displeased with the unit you have and the support Emotiva is or is not providing, why do you not return it and get something like the HTP-1? That is an excellent processor which I can attest to from actual experience. Seems like you would be much happier with something else. Take care. It is quite possible. I do like the way the Emotiva sounds when it is doing something close to "right". I just want the dang thing to work and for about a half dozen people on here to stop excusing the countless issues. It really isn't much to ask for a product to work as sold. Or, is it? For the record, the bulk of what I complain about has been admitted by the Emotiva team as being a bug or an issue. They are actual problems whether all of us have them, or only %10 for various reasons. The sound is why I came back to the RMC-1 and its expandability. It is very possible I will not need that capability, but I always like to have the option. Do not like thinking that *gee, I wish I had gotten that option" or "why didn't I get the tv with the larger screen?" That kind of stuff. So I do tend to go overboard on some of the electronics I get. I am very lucky in that since updating to 2.1, I have not had any issues. My unit has behaved flawlessly. My LBB is operating as it should, but have not had a formal Dirac session. Dirac sees my UMIK mic and my RMC when I run the program to make sure things are working. Now just have to find a quiet time to run (when everyone else is out of the house). Hope things work out for you.
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Post by ttocs on Sept 9, 2020 18:11:44 GMT -5
This thread is for NIC issues.
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Post by megash0n on Sept 9, 2020 18:17:00 GMT -5
It is quite possible. I do like the way the Emotiva sounds when it is doing something close to "right". I just want the dang thing to work and for about a half dozen people on here to stop excusing the countless issues. It really isn't much to ask for a product to work as sold. Or, is it? For the record, the bulk of what I complain about has been admitted by the Emotiva team as being a bug or an issue. They are actual problems whether all of us have them, or only %10 for various reasons. The sound is why I came back to the RMC-1 and its expandability. It is very possible I will not need that capability, but I always like to have the option. Do not like thinking that *gee, I wish I had gotten that option" or "why didn't I get the tv with the larger screen?" That kind of stuff. So I do tend to go overboard on some of the electronics I get. I am very lucky in that since updating to 2.1, I have not had any issues. My unit has behaved flawlessly. My LBB is operating as it should, but have not had a formal Dirac session. Dirac sees my UMIK mic and my RMC when I run the program to make sure things are working. Now just have to find a quiet time to run (when everyone else is out of the house). Hope things work out for you. thank you sir. I agree with your approach. I didn't want to have buyers remorse not being able to upgrade channels and such down the road. I have absolutely no need right now, but I have a nice theater room that I may put back together soon. So, I could easily use the 16 channels plus another 4 for subs. (Assuming we ever get Dirac Bass Control) If this were month 3 after release, I'd be far more patient. It's been 3 years though and we still have so many issues, little faith that features that work are actually working properly, and promises yet to be fulfilled. My first plan was to sell the RMC and buy the XMC-2 because I just don't see certain things happening within the next couple of years so the RMC isn't really worth it. What it boils down to is that I have little faith that the thing works correctly.
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Post by klinemj on Sept 9, 2020 18:25:32 GMT -5
Maybe yours is defective. Have you thought about sending it in to be checked? Mine is like 100% reliable keeping my RMC in LPS. The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO) So...re. the full manual and workarounds - you just had a guy from Emotiva tell you it takes at least 30 seconds, and you seem to be ignoring his advice. What's it hurt trying? You've complained enough about this that I have 100% confident that any time the topic comes up, you will be telling your story on the issue (again). And, ttocs testing seems to very well support Keith's comment on waiting 30 seconds. If that doesn't work - if I recall correctly, you live pretty close to Emotiva from what you've said. Why not call them, say "I think this thing is defective. I'd like to exchange it for a different unit. Can I drive over and trade it for a different unit?" They've done that sort of thing for a lot of people. It wouldn't surprise me if they would do that for you. Mark
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Post by Mikomill on Sept 9, 2020 18:28:27 GMT -5
The few times I've called or emailed, I've been told "we're working on it". Fast-forward 9 months and the kernel version is still 3 years old. So, yeah.. I'm certain it is defective. Like many things. I've never received a follow up from any of my "tickets" I've "created" on the matter. If there was a real ticketing system, I could actually call in on a specific ticket number and ask why it hasn't been addressed. Unfortunately, that is all vapor as well. This will just be another instance of "there's nothing wrong" that magically is fixed by another FW update at some point. Also, mine rarely works on the first attempt in LPS. It can be off for hours and won't work. On average, I have to go thru 3 full cycles of waiting before it works. Every once in a while, I'll get lucky and it works the first time. As I've said all along though, once it works, it stays perfect until the unit locks up or I lose power. It can work for weeks without issue. (VRO) So...re. the full manual and workarounds - you just had a guy from Emotiva tell you it takes at least 30 seconds, and you seem to be ignoring his advice. What's it hurt trying? You've complained enough about this that I have 100% confident that any time the topic comes up, you will be telling your story on the issue (again). And, ttocs testing seems to very well support Keith's comment on waiting 30 seconds. If that doesn't work - if I recall correctly, you live pretty close to Emotiva from what you've said. Why not call them, say "I think this thing is defective. I'd like to exchange it for a different unit. Can I drive over and trade it for a different unit?" They've done that sort of thing for a lot of people. It wouldn't surprise me if they would do that for you. Mark +1!
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Post by rxw on Sept 12, 2020 20:17:43 GMT -5
Nic works 100% of the time for me, never had any issues. Low power mode DHCP - XMX2
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