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MC-1
Aug 29, 2023 19:44:51 GMT -5
Post by leewilli on Aug 29, 2023 19:44:51 GMT -5
Support was helpful to me when I asked before purchase if the MC1 supported 3D video. Even knowing it did not, I worked around it so I still get to watch my 3D movies via my projector while still sending all audio to the MC1. Bottom line, I suggest contacting Support to ask about the RS-232 capabilities. I can say after almost a month I have experienced no crashes. I'm only sending PCM to my unit via eARC, but the DTS Neural X and Dolby Upmix has been working great. Worst case, you can always return with their no haggle return policy. Just make sure you keep EVERYTHING (including the boxes) to make your return as seamless as possible. I'm confused as to why you say the MC1 does not support 3D video. I've used mine many times to watch 3D content. Would you please elaborate on your findings or what you were told that the MC1 could not do with 3D? I am very curious. Thanks! I was curious as well. Unlike Denon's website, I never located any text on the product page or the manual for the MC1 with the characters "3D", so I emailed Support inquiring if it supported it. The next day I received a direct and concise reply indicating it did not support 3D. I planned a contingency and purchased anyway knowing I had a backup plan (HDMI splitter from my 2 sources). I tested on initial hookup after setting up speaker config using HDMI OUT 2 and my projector received no 3D signal. I checked the EDID from the Zidoo and got the expected "3D: No Support". I moved the cable from the Zidoo directly to my HDMI extender and the EDID showed "3D: Supported". Same again when I moved the cable to the new HDMI splitter which was only connected to the same extender. While using HDMI OUT 2 would be far more convenient with less cables and devices, it just didn't work and I thought it was no biggie since this matched what Support told me. How is yours connected? Any setting I'm not aware of on the MC1 I need to change? I thought video was mainly just an HDMI switcher and passthru on this unit.
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Post by leewilli on Aug 30, 2023 9:30:18 GMT -5
Well ain't that a blip. I reconnected everything the way it was on MC1 Day 0 and now the 3D works just fine. Not complaining though. Thanks for broaching the query octavarium. Otherwise I would not have tried again. Still interesting that Support told me it was not supported.
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Post by doc1963 on Aug 30, 2023 10:03:34 GMT -5
...Still interesting that Support told me it was not supported. Eh... Sometimes support folks don't see something listed on a spec sheet and make assumptions. However, 3D support is ingrained into the HDMI spec and definitely should be supported by any modern device that adheres to HDMI specifications (which Emotiva does). None of the TVs manufactured over the last few years support it, but HDMI itself definitely does for those who still need it.
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MC-1
Aug 30, 2023 10:41:27 GMT -5
Post by octavarium on Aug 30, 2023 10:41:27 GMT -5
Well ain't that a blip. I reconnected everything the way it was on MC1 Day 0 and now the 3D works just fine. Not complaining though. Thanks for broaching the query octavarium. Otherwise I would not have tried again. Still interesting that Support told me it was not supported. That's great to hear! Yeah, there's nothing special with my connections. I have all my media on a NAS which is played through a Zidoo z9x which is connected to the MC1 and that is connected to my projector. All has worked well from the beginning.
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Post by leewilli on Aug 30, 2023 18:11:14 GMT -5
...Still interesting that Support told me it was not supported. Eh... Sometimes support folks don't see something listed on a spec sheet and make assumptions. However, 3D support is ingrained into the HDMI spec and definitely should be supported by any modern device that adheres to HDMI specifications (which Emotiva does). None of the TVs manufactured over the last few years support it, but HDMI itself definitely does for those who still need it. Before I picked up the MC1 I saw that HDMI 1.4 was the minimum for 3D support, which is why I tested it immediately. Not exactly sure why it failed then, but net result is functionality now so I'm good!
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Post by emotimmo on Aug 30, 2023 18:20:36 GMT -5
Eh... Sometimes support folks don't see something listed on a spec sheet and make assumptions. However, 3D support is ingrained into the HDMI spec and definitely should be supported by any modern device that adheres to HDMI specifications (which Emotiva does). None of the TVs manufactured over the last few years support it, but HDMI itself definitely does for those who still need it. Before I picked up the MC1 I saw that HDMI 1.4 was the minimum for 3D support, which is why I tested it immediately. Not exactly sure why it failed then, but net result is functionality now so I'm good! Maybe they thought you meant morally do they support it.
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Post by leewilli on Aug 30, 2023 18:58:08 GMT -5
Well ain't that a blip. I reconnected everything the way it was on MC1 Day 0 and now the 3D works just fine. Not complaining though. Thanks for broaching the query octavarium. Otherwise I would not have tried again. Still interesting that Support told me it was not supported. That's great to hear! Yeah, there's nothing special with my connections. I have all my media on a NAS which is played through a Zidoo z9x which is connected to the MC1 and that is connected to my projector. All has worked well from the beginning. Same here. Z9X with a NAS. Picked up the DuneHD as well, but the Zidoo is just special and far more customizable. Both play and work well even though they've largely disappeared from the market now. Not one issue with MC1 except that initial EDID 3D thing. Thinking back, I wonder if I had mistakenly selected the OUTPUT mode as both OUTPUT 1 and 2, therefore no 3D. Well, the eARC popping was annoying until I switched to PCM. Tis but a flesh wound. All good. Thanks all!
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Post by cwt on Aug 30, 2023 21:45:10 GMT -5
don't see something listed on a spec sheet and make assumptions. However, 3D support is ingrained into the HDMI spec and definitely should be supported by any modern device that adheres to HDMI specifications (which Emotiva does). None of the TVs manufactured over the last few years support it, but HDMI itself definitely does for those who still need it. To give a generous benefit of the doubt maybe support was referencing 4k 3d which sadly was not listed as a standard for hdmi 2.1 so we have to settle for frame packed 1080p 3d; SBS and the like :: If my projector wasnt 3d capable I would be xxed off about the latest tvs ; 3d is much better with a bit of width and depth of field thankfully
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MC-1
Sept 11, 2023 5:49:25 GMT -5
Post by leewilli on Sept 11, 2023 5:49:25 GMT -5
That's great to hear! Yeah, there's nothing special with my connections. I have all my media on a NAS which is played through a Zidoo z9x which is connected to the MC1 and that is connected to my projector. All has worked well from the beginning. Same here. Z9X with a NAS. Picked up the DuneHD as well, but the Zidoo is just special and far more customizable. Both play and work well even though they've largely disappeared from the market now. Not one issue with MC1 except that initial EDID 3D thing. Thinking back, I wonder if I had mistakenly selected the OUTPUT mode as both OUTPUT 1 and 2, therefore no 3D. Well, the eARC popping was annoying until I switched to PCM. Tis but a flesh wound. All good. Thanks all! Update - I was prompted to install a new firmware update on my Hisense U8G last week. After installation and TV restart, I ran through all of my testing again by only changing the TV audio back to eARC/AUTO, it's been nearly flawless. Will try eARC/Passthrough later this week and report back, but I get an errant very small pop that I'm guessing only I notice since I'm looking for it. Bottom line: Is most of the Internet scuttlebutt about this unit due to TVs and the still buggy eARC feature and NOT Emotiva? I'm as happy as a pig in mud on a hot day with this late breaking news.
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MC-1
Sept 20, 2023 6:57:32 GMT -5
Post by hesster on Sept 20, 2023 6:57:32 GMT -5
I just set up my Bas-X MC1, and ran through the EMO-Q. All went well until I got to the Center Channel, where I got a "Speaker out of range" error message after pointing the Mic at it, and it says to adjust manually. Only got a RED line on the graph. There is nothing I can find in the instructions or videos on how to address this issue?
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Post by ttocs on Sept 20, 2023 7:17:49 GMT -5
I just set up my Bas-X MC1, and ran through the EMO-Q. All went well until I got to the Center Channel, where I got a "Speaker out of range" error message after pointing the Mic at it, and it says to adjust manually. Only got a RED line on the graph. There is nothing I can find in the instructions or videos on how to address this issue? The mic should remain pointed up at the ceiling. From the EmoQ Guide: " The microphone should be placed at or near the main listening position at ear level for the initial level/distance sweeps performed by the Emo-Q program, pointing upwards towards the ceiling. We suggest you use a stable platform in clear view of all speakers from the main listening position." The above may not fix your issue if the Center Speaker is much louder than other channels, but the mic should point up regardless. So, if you are to "adjust manually", this may mean to adjust its level so it's in range of other channels.
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MC-1
Sept 20, 2023 8:56:06 GMT -5
Post by hesster on Sept 20, 2023 8:56:06 GMT -5
I just set up my Bas-X MC1, and ran through the EMO-Q. All went well until I got to the Center Channel, where I got a "Speaker out of range" error message after pointing the Mic at it, and it says to adjust manually. Only got a RED line on the graph. There is nothing I can find in the instructions or videos on how to address this issue? The mic should remain pointed up at the ceiling. From the EmoQ Guide: " The microphone should be placed at or near the main listening position at ear level for the initial level/distance sweeps performed by the Emo-Q program, pointing upwards towards the ceiling. We suggest you use a stable platform in clear view of all speakers from the main listening position." The above may not fix your issue if the Center Speaker is much louder than other channels, but the mic should point up regardless. So, if you are to "adjust manually", this may mean to adjust its level so it's in range of other channels. Not for the second set of measurements - it is supposed to be manually pointed at the speaker being tested. That is when it failed. I will look at how to reduce the level of the Center Channel Speaker, it is an Airmotiv C2.
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MC-1
Sept 20, 2023 9:55:50 GMT -5
Post by cawgijoe on Sept 20, 2023 9:55:50 GMT -5
The mic should remain pointed up at the ceiling. From the EmoQ Guide: " The microphone should be placed at or near the main listening position at ear level for the initial level/distance sweeps performed by the Emo-Q program, pointing upwards towards the ceiling. We suggest you use a stable platform in clear view of all speakers from the main listening position." The above may not fix your issue if the Center Speaker is much louder than other channels, but the mic should point up regardless. So, if you are to "adjust manually", this may mean to adjust its level so it's in range of other channels. Not for the second set of measurements - it is supposed to be manually pointed at the speaker being tested. That is when it failed. I will look at how to reduce the level of the Center Channel Speaker, it is an Airmotiv C2. Just reviewed the video and you are correct, for the "EQ" portion of the calibration, you are supposed to point the microphone at the speaker from the MLP. ttocs is likely correct that the output level of the center channel is being overloaded in the test. I'm used to Dirac measurements where the mic is pointed at the ceiling the entire time.
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Post by hesster on Sept 21, 2023 7:00:38 GMT -5
And, in the EMO-Q Menu, when I run the Individual Test: EQ Test, and then the "Auto Test" selection for the Center speaker, it seems to crash, and I get an "DSP Error" message. Trying to figure out what to adjust to allow the EMO-Q program to complete its measurements. I think I need to turn down the Volume Level of the speaker first as per the below guide instructions? Not happy, just spent ~$4k on all this new EMO Bs-X stuff and can't get past this issue.
Emotiva Emo-Q Automatic Room Correction Guide 1. Configuring your Speaker Layout before running Emo-Q To test that your speaker layout and connections are correct, select the Level Test/Adjust portion of the
Speaker Setup menu. Scroll through each of the listed speaker channels, and ensure that the test tone is
playing from the correct speaker in your room as you select each channel in the menu. There is no need to measure and equalize the levels in this portion of the menu unless you are performing a
manual calibration. Emo-Q will take care of leveling the channels for us.
OK - all the speaker levels start at "Zero", but maybe knock the Center down a few DB?
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MC-1
Sept 21, 2023 7:49:09 GMT -5
Post by cawgijoe on Sept 21, 2023 7:49:09 GMT -5
And, in the EMO-Q Menu, when I run the Individual Test: EQ Test, and then the "Auto Test" selection for the Center speaker, it seems to crash, and I get an "DSP Error" message. Trying to figure out what to adjust to allow the EMO-Q program to complete its measurements. I think I need to turn down the Volume Level of the speaker first as per the below guide instructions? Not happy, just spent ~$4k on all this new EMO Bs-X stuff and can't get past this issue. Emotiva Emo-Q Automatic Room Correction Guide1. Configuring your Speaker Layout before running Emo-Q To test that your speaker layout and connections are correct, select the Level Test/Adjust portion of the Speaker Setup menu. Scroll through each of the listed speaker channels, and ensure that the test tone is playing from the correct speaker in your room as you select each channel in the menu. There is no need to measure and equalize the levels in this portion of the menu unless you are performing a
manual calibration. Emo-Q will take care of leveling the channels for us. OK - all the speaker levels start at "Zero", but maybe knock the Center down a few DB?Worth a try. Have you tried calling Emotiva and asking for help/guidance?
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MC-1
Sept 21, 2023 19:50:13 GMT -5
Post by davidl on Sept 21, 2023 19:50:13 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what firmware and DSP versions are you running in your MC1? I don't think Emotiva has released any updates to the firmware but wondering if newer units have a newer version.
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MC-1
Sept 26, 2023 21:55:54 GMT -5
Post by frederick on Sept 26, 2023 21:55:54 GMT -5
Hi,
A couple of questions about the MC1 as of today.
1 - Does it do 7.2.6 2 - Does it have an OSD
Thanks.
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MC-1
Oct 9, 2023 11:53:28 GMT -5
Post by hesster on Oct 9, 2023 11:53:28 GMT -5
Hi, A couple of questions about the MC1 as of today. 1 - Does it do 7.2.6 2 - Does it have an OSD Thanks. I did a final installation of the MC-1, EMO Brand Fronts and Center, other brand Sides and Rears, and a 77" LG OLED TV. For now I have 7.1, but wired for 7.1.4, waitng for a 10% off before I buy the OH speakers and 4 CH Amp. So YES - it has capability for (6) Atmos or Height channels (2x of front/middle/rear height). I am going with 4 height speakers, to me 6 is overkill for my Pole Barn set-up. NOW - supposedly it has OSD, but damn if I CAN GET IT TO WORK. I can only get the MC1 setup menu to show on the TV when selecting it as a input on the TV, but it is supposed to show any actions momentarily when using the EMO cantroller, like adjusting the volume. That is not working, and can't find any clear direction in the manual other than selecting "Info" on the controller, which does not work.I am certain I have the HDMI cable connected to EARC on both MC1 and the LG TV.
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MC-1
Oct 9, 2023 12:09:56 GMT -5
Post by emotimmo on Oct 9, 2023 12:09:56 GMT -5
Hi, A couple of questions about the MC1 as of today. 1 - Does it do 7.2.6 2 - Does it have an OSD Thanks. I did a final installation of the MC-1, EMO Brand Fronts and Center, other brand Sides and Rears, and a 77" LG OLED TV. For now I have 7.1, but wired for 7.1.4, waitng for a 10% off before I buy the OH speakers and 4 CH Amp. So YES - it has capability for (6) Atmos or Height channels (2x of front/middle/rear height). I am going with 4 height speakers, to me 6 is overkill for my Pole Barn set-up. NOW - supposedly it has OSD, but damn if I CAN GET IT TO WORK. I can only get the MC1 setup menu to show on the TV when selecting it as a input on the TV, but it is supposed to show any actions momentarily when using the EMO cantroller, like adjusting the volume. That is not working, and can't find any clear direction in the manual other than selecting "Info" on the controller, which does not work.I am certain I have the HDMI cable connected to EARC on both MC1 and the LG TV. Are you using eARC? OSD will only work when the video you are watching is sourced from the MC-1. OSD settings are under Setup - Option > Information Display
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Post by buckaboo on Oct 10, 2023 11:27:33 GMT -5
Hello,
I just ordered an MC-1 on the spooky trade in event. (I haven't received it yet.) However I am hearing about random bugs such as pops, HDMI switching issues, latency etc. Does any of these affect the MC-1 directly? I don't game so I could care less about HDMI 2.1. Are any of these glitches attributed to CEC or eARC? I don't use either of these functionalities because I run everything through my AVR. I'm currently using a Denon AVR-X3300W which has been flawless. I'm using a TASCAM 4K blu-ray player, an Apple TV 4K 2nd gen, and a Sony 55 inch 90 series 4K 120hz tv. I would have loved to have DIRAC but the XMC series was out of my budget. I'm hoping these bugs are not big bugs as I'm hoping for that next level audio quality.
Thanks, David
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