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Post by solidstate on Oct 28, 2009 13:35:46 GMT -5
woohoo!!! Looks like we are about a month out from getting the UMC-1 !!!
I also wish to replace my speakers when I get the new amp/pre. I am curious what anyone here thinks of the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE speakers. They sure are cheap but hey low price doesn't mean anything... look at Emo!
I'm thinking of replacing my flagship Axiom rig with the Ascend flagship. It's a lot cheaper but I've had enough of the VP150s absolutely horrible off axis and the combing/cancelling affect the M80s have with their twin tweeters. I love the QS8s and EP500 sub though and intend to keep those.
Do any of you own Ascend gear being powered by Emo? If so what is your opinion of the Ascend speakers?
Solid-State
PS I would consider the Emo/Vance speakers but I'm in Canada and the shipping would be a killer...
PSS OK the Emo speakers are on sale and the Canadian dollar is high right now... A FULL Emo rig would be da bomb!!! CHOICES CHOICES!
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 28, 2009 16:48:51 GMT -5
You know that you really want the Emotiva speakers. In my 45 years in this hobby, I have never heard other speakers that can compete with them on a price/performance basis. After listening to the ERT-8.3 and ERM-6.3 for fronts I would have to say that you would have to spend 5 times as much to acquire better sonic performance from another vendor.
The Emo speakers managed to "engage" me much quicker than any other speaker system I have ever listened to -- regardless of price. If you want your music to sound as close to "live" performance as possible, Emotiva is what you want. They have the most accurate "attack and decay" that I have heard from a speaker. The realism is downright spooky. While listening to high quality media through my ERC-1/USP-1/UPA-7 the Emotiva speakers were so good I felt like I could reach out and touch the musicians.
Everyone knows what a bargain the Emotiva Amps are, but I think there speakers are an even bigger bargain. Even the little ERM-1, recently discontinued, sounded so good that most users would be perfectly happy with them for their HT system.
When Emotiva finally releases their ERS-212 subs I would be very interested in what you think about them compared to the Rythmick subs you have been touting. Unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure of hearing the Rythmicks. That should be a comparison worth hearing. The flexibility and total control that Lonnie has built-in to the ERS-212 and the GUI control system looks totally revolutionary. I am drooling just thinking about it.
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Post by Pauly on Oct 28, 2009 18:58:38 GMT -5
I've had experience with Ascend 340se, and it was a wonderful experience. I was running three 340se's up front, and 4 170's for surrounds. It was an incredible system regardless of price. It sounded just as good as many systems I've heard costing 2 or 3 times more money. I still have that system, but moved it to the game room when I upgraded. They were all powered by my Emo DMR-1 receiver with ease. With that being said, I would take roadrunner's advice and experience seriously. I've never heard the Emo speakers, but they have never gotten a bad review from owners. They do look better than the 340's, and could sound better. But that's up to you to decide. Both companies offer in home trials, so if you can, I would buy both for comparison. I really think it would be a hard choice, because both are very good speakers. It would just come down to which suited your tastes better I think. Also, if you want Ascend's flagship, you'd have to spend considerably more money and get the Sierra-1's. I've heard those as well, and that is one of the better speakers I've ever heard in my life. It's a little hard to drive, but with an XPA series amp, they would sound amazing. It's a very good looking speaker as well, if that matters. I think a full Sierra setup would be a little closer in price to the Emo speakers. But from my experience with Ascend, and from what I've heard about Emo speakers, those two companies would be the only choices in my mind really.
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Post by solidstate on Oct 28, 2009 19:38:44 GMT -5
Exactly what I thought I'd hear from you guys. Brilliant advice and on the money with total honesty. Great stuff guys! YUP... I love Dave's speakers! he's a fantastic guy and an even better engineer but Vance's design with Emo OEM/ODM is a one two punch.... Emo it is!!! WOW what an Xmas I'm gunna have! And one of the first 100% emo rigs around I bet!!! OMG I'm so excited I look like I have to go to the bathroom! As for that Rythmik sub yeah it's a brilliant piece as well... I wonder what the Emo sub would be like if it used Brian's technology. The DSP abilities of that Emo piece combined with Brian's NON accelerometer (uses coil sensor near voice coil) "direct" servo tech would be an amazing combo though the amp would have to be reworked and I can't imagine if the 212 uses an external amp how you would run the coil sensor segment. Prob not doable in an external amp subwoofer design  Solid-State |
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Post by Pauly on Oct 28, 2009 19:48:47 GMT -5
Good to hear that you made a decision so soon. I would go out of my mind for months trying to decide. I think you made a good choice. I can't wait to hear your review of the Emo speakers. If my house wasn't already full of speakers, I'd probably buy an Emo setup as well. BTW, which ones are you getting? 8.3's with 6.3 center? Or do you want to go smaller with all 6's up front?
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Post by solidstate on Oct 28, 2009 20:02:01 GMT -5
Well I've heard the CBM-170se recently and the Sierra1 as I used them in a recent install with a Rythmik. Fantastic speakers! The 170se has gotta be the best speaker on a per dollar basis on earth! Bar none man and I wish every idiot HTIAB computer speaker/Bose owner knew of the CBM-170se and say the Onkyo TX-8555 Those two products if known by consumer would end crap HTIAB madness that's most mainstream AV shops today. And the Sierra is the nicest looking and one of the best I've heard in a bookshelf in the bass department... But Dave doesn't want to warehouse/sell a large floorstander and my room is large! I'm a rock fan and I like high SPLs at times LOL and a bookshelf simply can't do what I have in mind. Thanks guys for the enthusiastic responses!
Solid-State
PS I wonder what Vance's ERT-8.3 design would sound like if it used Dave's Sierra1 tweeter and those mineral-filled PP woofers and if an 8" of the same design could be sourced (Dave won't tell the OEM/ODM of the woofer so it's a mystery for everyone LOL). Also if the cabs were that glossy cherry bamboo! These would have to be priced in Salk Sound flagship price bracket though and cost $5K a pair! Dave's Sierra1 drivers are expensive. That tweet is like a flagship Morel dome. I'm sure they'd have buyers lined up if it was done right... specially if it had that glossy cherry bamboo finish... man it's NICE!
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Post by GreenKiwi on Oct 28, 2009 20:27:23 GMT -5
Just to throw a monkey wrench into the mix. Have you listened to any planar speakers? If you haven't and you are thinking about upgrading, they are well worth the trip to the dealer. You will probably either love the sound or not, but if you do... you'll never want to go back. And the systems don't have to be particularly expensive. Mangepan has some quite reasonably priced speakers as does Martin Logan.
-gk
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Post by GreenKiwi on Oct 28, 2009 20:27:54 GMT -5
And oh yeah... the XPA will happily drive them.
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Post by solidstate on Oct 28, 2009 20:36:55 GMT -5
Owhh yeah I'm VERY familiar with Maggies and Logans... I like conventional drivers made of anything other than metal less an LFE sub. I feel the same about those types of drivers as I do about digital amps... been there done that not for me... Planars are great if your in the sweet spot but I'm after a wide lifelike soundstage with "omph" and I've NEVER heard a planar that can do what I'm talking about. I do though have an active tri-amp/pro DSP xover XPA-1 differential line array dream using an RD75 as the basis LOL So I'm not totally old school thought when it comes to a driver!
Solid-State
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