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Post by jason on Apr 18, 2010 19:30:56 GMT -5
I think I would've chosen the same option were I in your shoes.
In my current system, my pb13 is the weak link, imo. If I had the spare funds, I'd likely replace it with a pair of the Rythmik 15's.
Should be a real sweet setup with the 1.7's....congrats!
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Post by ralmaneih on Apr 22, 2010 8:57:01 GMT -5
I would like to thank Ntrain42 for turning me on to Rythmik. I just ordered a F15 with the 600W amp, unfinished (It goes in my cabinet). A few comments from the things I have read:
1) I would take sealed over ported anything. Quality over quantity. If quantity is needed, buy more. Until you hear excellent bass, you never know what you are missing.
2) Rythmik is the first site that I have read where their technology makes sense as to why they are superior. You should check it out if you have not. Very interesting.
3) When you call Rythmik, you get Brian, the owner of Rythmik Audio. He is one of the most intelligent people I have read/talked to on home audio period. He is really helpful and knowledgeable. If you are interested in a sub, I would highly recommend calling him. He alone is worth the price of the sub.
4) I will be happy to post my findings once I have tuned my HT with the new sub. It should take about a month. (Wife, kids, yard priorities are all pressing)
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Post by ntrain42 on Apr 22, 2010 14:23:27 GMT -5
I would like to thank Ntrain42 for turning me on to Rythmik. I just ordered a F15 with the 600W amp, unfinished (It goes in my cabinet). A few comments from the things I have read: 1) I would take sealed over ported anything. Quality over quantity. If quantity is needed, buy more. Until you hear excellent bass, you never know what you are missing. 2) Rythmik is the first site that I have read where their technology makes sense as to why they are superior. You should check it out if you have not. Very interesting. 3) When you call Rythmik, you get Brian, the owner of Rythmik Audio. He is one of the most intelligent people I have read/talked to on home audio period. He is really helpful and knowledgeable. If you are interested in a sub, I would highly recommend calling him. He alone is worth the price of the sub. 4) I will be happy to post my findings once I have tuned my HT with the new sub. It should take about a month. (Wife, kids, yard priorities are all pressing) Hey no problem bro, just got a chance to play with the new D1510 sub/600 class H combo in an F15 enclosure for a local friend. The extra power and extra excursion really help to improve total output. For those looking for a single sub solution, the new high power combo is really nice. I'd have to say the new F15 is very close in total output to one of my old PB13's, and its still just as musical and accurate.
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Post by sweeperkcj on May 5, 2010 7:41:07 GMT -5
ntrain, im considering going the rythmik route...
what do you know about the dual 1500s paired with the 600 watt amp in a single enclosure setup (I haven’t seen any reviews by owners)? I wonder how it compares to a submersive… Also wonder how it compares to 2 D15SE subs. I think you’ve said you were planning on 6 Servo DS1500 DIY Rythmik kits for your main HT system. Ever consider 3-4 of the dual kits?
Thanks for any input!
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Post by ntrain42 on May 5, 2010 8:57:10 GMT -5
ntrain, im considering going the rythmik route... what do you know about the dual 1500s paired with the 600 watt amp in a single enclosure setup (I haven’t seen any reviews by owners)? I wonder how it compares to a submersive… Also wonder how it compares to 2 D15SE subs. I think you’ve said you were planning on 6 Servo DS1500 DIY Rythmik kits for your main HT system. Ever consider 3-4 of the dual kits? Thanks for any input! The Submersive is just like the Epik Empire, uses a dual opposed 15" driver setup in a smaller than typical enclosure. Good output for HT. I've never heard one myself, but knowing the spec's of the drivers and enclosure size, its going to perform like an Empire. For the price Mark Seaton is asking I don't think its honestly worth it. In fact Id actually recommend an Empire for almost a third of the price. That being said yeah I'd take a pair of Rythmik 15's over it in a heartbeat. The servo drive amps, larger enclosure and more efficient 15" drivers are going to give just as much output as the Empire or Submersive and are going to play lower in the process with less distortion due to the larger enclosure size and direct servo feedback. The DS1510 kit with the 600watt servo amp will more than compete with the Submersive for raw output and its going to be alot more accurate and musical as well. My 2 D15se's in my br system give me useable response UNDER 10hz. Thats no joke. You can actually see and feel my bed shaking during some scenes from Star Trek and a few other movies with subsonic information on the LFE channel. The DS1510 kit will be right on par with a pair of 15se's if you build it right. There is probably about a 1db difference between a pair of 370xlr plate amps and one 600PEQ2 plate amp favoring 370's(About 150 watts more). So in reality its negligible.
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Post by jethro on May 5, 2010 22:33:48 GMT -5
The submersive can hold it's own, but I don't think it can do so in the value department any longer. Too many companies are raising the bar. For shear output, I'd look toward none other than elemental designs. For the best all around sub that can do it all, the rhthmik seems to be on top right now. If your not listening to alot of music, I'd go eD...
So in your case, the rhythmik seems to be the most logical choice.
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Post by Raven on May 10, 2010 23:31:17 GMT -5
... I've never heard one myself, but knowing the spec's of the drivers and enclosure size, its going to perform like an Empire. For the price Mark Seaton is asking I don't think its honestly worth it. In fact Id actually recommend an Empire for almost a third of the price. That being said yeah I'd take a pair of Rythmik 15's over it in a heartbeat. The servo drive amps, larger enclosure and more efficient 15" drivers are going to give just as much output as the Empire or Submersive and are going to play lower in the process with less distortion due to the larger enclosure size and direct servo feedback. The DS1510 kit with the 600watt servo amp will more than compete with the Submersive for raw output and its going to be alot more accurate and musical as well. My 2 D15se's in my br system give me useable response UNDER 10hz. Thats no joke. You can actually see and feel my bed shaking during some scenes from Star Trek and a few other movies with subsonic information on the LFE channel. The DS1510 kit will be right on par with a pair of 15se's if you build it right. There is probably about a 1db difference between a pair of 370xlr plate amps and one 600PEQ2 plate amp favoring 370's(About 150 watts more). So in reality its negligible. I have a great respect for your judgment about pair of 15se (and other gears you've auditioned). But your conclusions about how SubMersive sounds kinda pointless for obvious reason - you've never heard it...
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Post by cipher on May 14, 2010 15:22:56 GMT -5
Well, I recently picked up my UMC-1 and XMC-5 as well as 2 Rythmik's DS15E's and they are now "setup" in my home office. There is a waiting list on the Magnepan's 1.7's so in the meantime I'm using some small bookshelf speakers in my 2.1 channel setup. Finally, I'm feeding the UMC-1 via a Squeezebox Duet so I can easily listen to all my lossless music files from my home server.
My main concern right now is what is the best approach to configuring the UMC-1 and Rythmik's so that the subwoofers are performing at their best? I have a feeling that my current arrangement isn't close to optimal as I'm not that familiar with the following...
1) What is the best approach to setting up my system (UMC-1, sub amp) for listening with just Left/Right speakers and a sub? I've been reading about the UMC-1 settings, subwoofer crawl, REW with an equalizer, room treatments etc. and I'm looking for some ideas on where one starts with all this and the proper steps to take.
2) There is a LEVEL knob on the sub and when it's set to it's lowest setting I can't hear any low level output even when I set the UMC-1 subwoofer level to +10. Is this normal or should I be expecting to have this LEVEL setting close to Max? Also, if I have a choice between increasing the subwoofer level at the processor or on the sub amp which is preferable?
3) What is the best approach to setting up the UMC-1 for 2.1 channel listening? I don't think I've had enough time to work with all it's settings and gain a strong understanding of how to configure my UMC-1 for 2.1.
4) Would there be a benefit to currently using both subs in a 2.2 setup or is the second sub best saved for when I move the system into a 5.2 setup when I'll also be watching movies with my projector?
Thanks
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Post by ntrain42 on May 15, 2010 11:19:04 GMT -5
A. Did you get the XLR or PEQ version? If you got the XLR version set to master/slave config and use XLR's.
B. Even with the UMC-1 set to "0" on the sub control. Your level adjustment on the sub should be between a 1/4-1/2 up at most, even in a large room. If not, Im wondering how your UMC-1 is set.
C. Have your input set on the UMC-1 for "Stereo" on 2.1.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2010 11:56:57 GMT -5
Have any of you guys though of going the DIY route? You could completly destroy every sub in the lists for a fraction of the cost. Even with getting a cab maker to build the cabs, it would still be cheaper. There is a reason that when someone builds a DIY sub they never go back to company designs.
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Post by cipher on May 15, 2010 17:00:10 GMT -5
A. Did you get the XLR or PEQ version? If you got the XLR version set to master/slave config and use XLR's. B. Even with the UMC-1 set to "0" on the sub control. Your level adjustment on the sub should be between a 1/4-1/2 up at most, even in a large room. If not, Im wondering how your UMC-1 is set. C. Have your input set on the UMC-1 for "Stereo" on 2.1. Hi Ntrain, 1) I ordered the XLR versions, but I've only connected one of the subs using Master mode. I'll add the second as a Slave if I hear there is a benefit for my current music only listening mode or when I eventually add these to my home theatre. 2) That's interesting as I have to at least put the level to 1/2 to hear any bass and sometimes higher. I've setup my UMC-1 as follows: -Connected the Logitech Duet to the Optical Input 1 on the UMC-1 -Set up AUX-8 (the Optical 1 input) to use Stereo mode -Set the sub crossover to 100 and the front left/right speaker crossover to 100 on the UMC-1 (the sub amp crossover is at 120) Maybe I'm missing something else in my UMC-1 setup? 3) My UMC-1 (Aux-8 input) is currently using Stereo mode Maybe my room or sub placement is far from ideal and I need to spend more time finding a better place for the sub before fine tuning with the UMC-1? I'm not really sure which is the best order to take when first configuring a sub so that's why I just placed it near one of the walls and started setting it up with the UMC-1.
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Post by ntrain42 on May 15, 2010 18:56:33 GMT -5
If your only running one of them, then the gain probably will be 1/2-3/4 of the way up.
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Post by ntrain42 on May 15, 2010 20:51:27 GMT -5
Have any of you guys though of going the DIY route? You could completly destroy every sub in the lists for a fraction of the cost. Even with getting a cab maker to build the cabs, it would still be cheaper. There is a reason that when someone builds a DIY sub they never go back to company designs. I actually do both. I agree with some situations where your better going the DIY route, but then there are other times where it just isn't worth the hassle. Like my bedroom system. Sure I could have saved $7-800 and done it myself, but it just wasnt worth the hassle to get the same results, especially the pianno black gloss finish. Even with having my own painting booth and a small curing oven, working with paint fumes SUCKS. Now on the other hand with my main HT system where Im doing 8 driver kits, going the DIY route will save me $4k roughly, that to me is now worth it.
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Post by ntrain42 on May 15, 2010 20:57:31 GMT -5
... I've never heard one myself, but knowing the spec's of the drivers and enclosure size, its going to perform like an Empire. For the price Mark Seaton is asking I don't think its honestly worth it. In fact Id actually recommend an Empire for almost a third of the price. That being said yeah I'd take a pair of Rythmik 15's over it in a heartbeat. The servo drive amps, larger enclosure and more efficient 15" drivers are going to give just as much output as the Empire or Submersive and are going to play lower in the process with less distortion due to the larger enclosure size and direct servo feedback. The DS1510 kit with the 600watt servo amp will more than compete with the Submersive for raw output and its going to be alot more accurate and musical as well. My 2 D15se's in my br system give me useable response UNDER 10hz. Thats no joke. You can actually see and feel my bed shaking during some scenes from Star Trek and a few other movies with subsonic information on the LFE channel. The DS1510 kit will be right on par with a pair of 15se's if you build it right. There is probably about a 1db difference between a pair of 370xlr plate amps and one 600PEQ2 plate amp favoring 370's(About 150 watts more). So in reality its negligible. I have a great respect for your judgment about pair of 15se (and other gears you've auditioned). But your conclusions about how SubMersive sounds kinda pointless for obvious reason - you've never heard it... Your right, I havent heard it, but its obvious physical characteristics allows me to speculate with knowledge of how it will respond and perform compared to the Empire. I'd need to know the exact volume of the enclosure and the T/S of both the Empire and Submersive to really ballpark their curves and output. Regardless the enclosures are similiar and so is the linear cone displacement.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 11:29:22 GMT -5
Have any of you guys though of going the DIY route? You could completly destroy every sub in the lists for a fraction of the cost. Even with getting a cab maker to build the cabs, it would still be cheaper. There is a reason that when someone builds a DIY sub they never go back to company designs. I actually do both. I agree with some situations where your better going the DIY route, but then there are other times where it just isn't worth the hassle. Like my bedroom system. Sure I could have saved $7-800 and done it myself, but it just wasnt worth the hassle to get the same results, especially the pianno black gloss finish. Even with having my own painting booth and a small curing oven, working with paint fumes SUCKS. Now on the other hand with my main HT system where Im doing 8 driver kits, going the DIY route will save me $4k roughly, that to me is now worth it. I agree that a few $100 would not make me want to do a DIY project. But once you get into the 2k range, it's an great option to get some amazing performance for you $. I thanks god at my shop i have free reign of my paint booth and I can do anything in there and they don't care. For me personally, having all the tools and a place to build makes all the difference in the world. Long board sanders are a gift from god himeself lol
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