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Post by rudiepoo1 on Mar 21, 2010 19:06:44 GMT -5
Maybe I'm the only one who feels a little differently here. I happen to love everything about my PS3 right now. All of my blu-ray's look fantastic on my 65" Mit's 1080p DLP and think the upscaling capability for DVD's suits me just fine as well. People I've had over have had nothing by compliments on the picture quality. Now, I have not compared anything else as far as a dedicated stand alone BD player but as it stands right now I don't see any reason to.
I'm also a gamer but I primarily bought the unit for multi-purpose, some games and then movies as I also have a 360 & a Wii. Right now I've been using my PS3 as my music server, ripping all of my CD collection using AAC format at 320k and then upconverting for playback. Again I'm really happy with the sound quality without having to have the need for a transport. I've also begun to associate the album cover art for all of my music, it's really nice to be able to just zip through all of my music for easy playback. I'm getting a lot of use from my PS3 at the moment:)
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Post by puppetz on Mar 24, 2010 23:25:48 GMT -5
I'm also solidly in the camp of using a PS3 in my home theater. I'm waiting on the XMC and admit I try to stay out of the UMC threads because I find them too aggravating. Are the problems folks are having with the UMC and PS3 limited to the pre-slim (AKA fat) versions of the PS3, or does it not matter which PS3 you have?
I have a 40GB fat PS3, but have no problem retiring it to the master bedroom and getting a slim for my theater if the flexibility of being able to bitstream the undecoded audio signal to the UMC addresses all issues.
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Post by sanjaygolf on Mar 24, 2010 23:42:10 GMT -5
The new UMC firmware should address issues with the PS3. I dont have a UMC myself and I tend to stay out of that the thread as well. I'm just waiting for the email but you have to figure they are trying to address issues with the PS3. The UMC's main target are BR players and the PS3 is by far the most abundant out there. No way they can afford not to address compatibility issues.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 26, 2010 19:28:27 GMT -5
I have taken a look at the PS3 for use in my HT system. Both of my sons own the Sony product and I have viewed them in my system. The biggest reason I don't own one is because they are "noisy". I can easily hear their noise from a distance of 10 to 15 feet and they prove to be too big a distraction for watching movies or listening to music. I would not own any separate that produced the extraneous noise that the PS3 does. If I ever buy a Sony PS3 it will be strictly for game playing. I will not accept such an audible noise in a component simply because it can serve as a multi-functional device -- even if it interfaced perfectly with the UMC-1. My PS3 "slim" is silent. In fact the fans in my TV and the transformer hum in my XPA-2 and XPA-3 are louder. Agreed, I have the PS3 slim as well and its very quiet, especially compared to the older PS3 models. I am very glad that I sold off my old PS3 to upgrade to the new slim. The ability to bitstream HD audio codecs makes it worth it alone.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 26, 2010 19:30:46 GMT -5
I'm also solidly in the camp of using a PS3 in my home theater. I'm waiting on the XMC and admit I try to stay out of the UMC threads because I find them too aggravating. Are the problems folks are having with the UMC and PS3 limited to the pre-slim (AKA fat) versions of the PS3, or does it not matter which PS3 you have? I have a 40GB fat PS3, but have no problem retiring it to the master bedroom and getting a slim for my theater if the flexibility of being able to bitstream the undecoded audio signal to the UMC addresses all issues. My PS3 slim and the UMC-1 work perfectly together. No issues at all with video(UMC-1 HDMI video set to pass thru)or bitstreaming the undecoded HD audio as well.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 26, 2010 19:52:11 GMT -5
.... The ability to bitstream HD audio codecs makes it worth it alone. Why?
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 26, 2010 19:57:31 GMT -5
.... The ability to bitstream HD audio codecs makes it worth it alone. Why? Because Id rather have a seperate processor decode and process the sound vs. having it first decoded and then sent downsampled via LPCM.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 26, 2010 20:21:29 GMT -5
Because Id rather have a seperate processor decode and process the sound vs. having it first decoded and then sent downsampled via LPCM. So the PS3 downsamples? Hadn't heard that before. What does it downsample to? Film is 48/24 anyway. I doubt it would sample down farther than that.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 26, 2010 20:26:12 GMT -5
Because Id rather have a seperate processor decode and process the sound vs. having it first decoded and then sent downsampled via LPCM. So the PS3 downsamples? Hadn't heard that before. What does it downsample to? Film is 48/24 anyway. I doubt it would sample down farther than that. Film is 48/24, when converting a decoded audio signal to LPCM via HDMI it now becomes 48/16. Its still lossless audio, but if I am correct the S/N ratio degrades a bit along with a few other anomolies..........regardless, I find the sound is a bit more dynamic with less background noise by using the processors onboard decoding and conversion vs. having my older PS3 do all the work.
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 26, 2010 20:30:36 GMT -5
So the PS3 downsamples? Hadn't heard that before. What does it downsample to? Film is 48/24 anyway. I doubt it would sample down farther than that. Film is 48/24, when converting a decoded audio signal to LPCM via HDMI it now becomes 48/16. Its still lossless audio, but if I am correct the S/N ratio degrades a bit along with a few other anomolies..........regardless, I find the sound is a bit more dynamic with less background noise by using the processors onboard decoding and conversion vs. having my older PS3 do all the work. Any reason that PS3 is designed that way? Every Blu-ray and HD-DVD player I've owned has always put out full resolution LPCM, even the 192/24 TrueHD on Akira.
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Post by ntrain42 on Mar 26, 2010 20:46:34 GMT -5
Film is 48/24, when converting a decoded audio signal to LPCM via HDMI it now becomes 48/16. Its still lossless audio, but if I am correct the S/N ratio degrades a bit along with a few other anomolies..........regardless, I find the sound is a bit more dynamic with less background noise by using the processors onboard decoding and conversion vs. having my older PS3 do all the work. Any reason that PS3 is designed that way? Every Blu-ray and HD-DVD player I've owned has always put out full resolution LPCM, even the 192/24 TrueHD on Akira. Honestly no clue. I am still learning about all the different abilities and compatibilities between all the different electronics when it comes to bitstreaming and LPCM. he one thing I noticed easily was when I went from LPCM to bitstream on the PS3 the background noise was reduced through the speakers and the sound seemed more dynamic. After doing a bunch of research there seems to be some concession that the PS3 is downsampling to 48/16 when going LPCM. Again, dont take this as a 100% garentee, but something is going on to the signal as some people say there should be no audible difference in theory between bitstream and LPCM........
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Post by littlesaint on Mar 26, 2010 20:57:04 GMT -5
That follows if the bit depth is being reduced. Interesting.
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Post by GreenKiwi on Mar 27, 2010 2:07:42 GMT -5
Well, I'd have to say, the PS3 is great for games, adequate for Bluray and really painful for a home theater device. My real problem is not playing games enough on it to make it worth the pain in the other two categories. I'm really looking forward to the Boxee box, I just wish that someone would come out with that as a PS3 "game".
Trying to browse through movies and music on their horrendous media bar interface that they created is just painful. Grab Boxee or XBMC on a PC or MAC and you will see a much much nicer interface that is actually a pleasure to use.
Does anyone know of alternative interfaces for the PS3?
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Post by moodyman on Mar 31, 2010 13:16:01 GMT -5
Well, I'd have to say, the PS3 is great for games, adequate for Bluray and really painful for a home theater device. My real problem is not playing games enough on it to make it worth the pain in the other two categories. I'm really looking forward to the Boxee box, I just wish that someone would come out with that as a PS3 "game". Trying to browse through movies and music on their horrendous media bar interface that they created is just painful. I honestly can't imagine what problem you may be having using the PS3 for HT duties. You can't find the bluray movie you just inserted in the Ps3 menu???
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Post by SDMonkey on Mar 31, 2010 17:00:21 GMT -5
All this talk has me laughing! The PS3 has been the standard for a good long time for Bluray use. It has been what many other companies have aspired to be. PCM and Bitstream make no difference, it's being decoded either way you do it. This thread is silly to say the least. For one to say the XMB is a pain to use, it's straight forward and simplistic for many 10 year olds to use. I love my PS3 for gaming and bluray. I have a Sony S360 in the bedroom and it gets the job done, just as nice as my PS3. It's just slow in comparison to my PS3. If I had paid more then I did, I would have taken it back and bought another PS3.
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Post by matt on Apr 5, 2010 23:44:52 GMT -5
You make a good point. The first dedicated Blu-ray players were slower to load than the PS3, and the firmware of the PS3 is much easier to upgrade.
Also, high definition enthusiasts owe Sony and Microsoft some thanks by ending the Blu-ray and HD DVD format war. When Sony risked being the high priced game console by integrating the Blu-ray drive into the PS3 from day one and Microsoft refusing to support HD DVD in its own game console, I knew that the format war was effectively over and started buying Blu-ray movies. People setting up home theaters could then safely adopt the Blu-ray format without worrying about the format war any longer.
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