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Post by estimatedprophet on Mar 28, 2010 13:54:32 GMT -5
Hey Now ... the UMC-1 offers the ability to accept an HDMI signal, then output the video signal via Component Video (max output resolution 1080i via component).
Why anyone would want to do this? Because the HDMI jacks on my television are damaged; I can't connect an HDMI cable to my TV. However, I could connect a Blu-ray player to the UMC-1 via HDMI, then run component video to the TV. This would allow me to hear uncompressed Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS MA-HD audio on Blu-ray soundtracks. I can live without the 1080p video output; I'm just curious how well the UMC handles the HDMI-to-component conversion.
Has anyone tried this? If so, how well did it work? Are you satisfied with the audio & video results?
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Post by jstoddard on Mar 28, 2010 20:18:53 GMT -5
it is not likely to work as the HDMI output on the blu-ray player is most certainly copy protected with HDCP. Any HDMI sources with HDCP will not be output on the UMC-1's component outputs. The UMC-1 will show a copy protected screen in this case.
You can run the component outputs from your blu-ray player directly to your TV and HDMI from the blu-ray player to the UMC-1 for HD audio as a workaround. Unfortunately you cannot run both component and HDMI from the blu-ray player to the UMC-1 as a solution because the UMC-1 will not allow you to have HDMI audio associated with non-HDMI video.
Jeff
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Post by bootman on Mar 29, 2010 9:40:03 GMT -5
Hey Now ... the UMC-1 offers the ability to accept an HDMI signal, then output the video signal via Component Video (max output resolution 1080i via component). Why anyone would want to do this? Because the HDMI jacks on my television are damaged; I can't connect an HDMI cable to my TV. However, I could connect a Blu-ray player to the UMC-1 via HDMI, then run component video to the TV. This would allow me to hear uncompressed Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS MA-HD audio on Blu-ray soundtracks. I can live without the 1080p video output; I'm just curious how well the UMC handles the HDMI-to-component conversion. Has anyone tried this? If so, how well did it work? Are you satisfied with the audio & video results? You may run into copy protection issues which would limit your output to 480p. It will depend on how copy protection is setup on your source material. |
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Post by bootman on Mar 29, 2010 9:42:54 GMT -5
You can run the component outputs from your blu-ray player directly to your TV and HDMI from the blu-ray player to the UMC-1 for HD audio as a workaround. Unfortunately you cannot run both component and HDMI from the blu-ray player to the UMC-1 as a solution because the UMC-1 will not allow you to have HDMI audio associated with non-HDMI video. Jeff This will work, but you may run into lip sync issues. |
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Post by roadrunner on Mar 29, 2010 14:35:01 GMT -5
Whether you can do this with a single HDMI cable to the UMC-1 without being subject to all the normal copy protection settings is a bit of an unknown at this point. When the UMC-1 was initially designed, it would output any legacy resolution over Component Video when input via HDMI; however, the new licensing specs prohibited this for all media with the copy protection switch enabled. This essentially made this feature useless, but the License Holders offered an "Optional License" that supposedly will allow viewing this material. Big Dan ponied up the money and purchased this license to allow the UMC-1 to function as initially intended.
I am not totally certain on this, but I think that part of the upcoming FW release will contain the coding to activate this optional license's capabilities. At this point in time, we can only guess how well this optional license will function in allowing us to view HDMI connected media via Component Video output between the UMC-1 and your monitor. Hopefully, this will enable you to use the UMC-1 the way you are hoping for. You might want to try contacting Lonnie or Big Dan to see if they are able to give you concrete information on the optional license's new features. ;D
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Post by xki on Mar 29, 2010 18:58:23 GMT -5
And if you do get any concrete information, please post it here for the rest of us with a component video display!
Thanks!
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Post by ncampbell on Apr 5, 2010 22:07:27 GMT -5
I tried this with a PS3 connected via component video to a television and the audio routed through the UMC-1 via HDMI. It worked fine without any lip sync issues. Component cable length was approx. 25'. I could generate HD audio from blu-ray but I could not find any easy way to make sure that the UMC-1 was not processing the audio to a lower rate. An equivalent to the PS3 "select" function would be useful.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Apr 6, 2010 15:55:43 GMT -5
Whether you can do this with a single HDMI cable to the UMC-1 without being subject to all the normal copy protection settings is a bit of an unknown at this point. When the UMC-1 was initially designed, it would output any legacy resolution over Component Video when input via HDMI; however, the new licensing specs prohibited this for all media with the copy protection switch enabled. This essentially made this feature useless, but the License Holders offered an "Optional License" that supposedly will allow viewing this material. Big Dan ponied up the money and purchased this license to allow the UMC-1 to function as initially intended. I am not totally certain on this, but I think that part of the upcoming FW release will contain the coding to activate this optional license's capabilities. At this point in time, we can only guess how well this optional license will function in allowing us to view HDMI connected media via Component Video output between the UMC-1 and your monitor. Hopefully, this will enable you to use the UMC-1 the way you are hoping for. You might want to try contacting Lonnie or Big Dan to see if they are able to give you concrete information on the optional license's new features. ;D I too have this issue. Here is Emo's tech support reply: I regret to say that if a copy protected material is sent into the processor via HDMI, it cannot be passed onto the monitor via component due to new restrictions in the DCP and this will be true for all HDMI devices. Just for reference, all Blu-ray players as of June of this year will not even have component video outputs and all older Blu-ray players will have the component video shut off in them with the encoding of the new Blu-ray movies. So I regret to say that what you are looking for can no longer be done due to new restrictions.  |
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Post by ratmice on Apr 6, 2010 16:34:48 GMT -5
So I regret to say that what you are looking for can no longer be done due to new restrictions. unless, of course, you visit curtpalme.com |
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Post by Walter Mitty on Apr 6, 2010 16:45:15 GMT -5
Just finished purchasing an HDMI to Component Video adapter from www.hdtvsupply.com. Hopefully it works. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Apr 6, 2010 17:55:54 GMT -5
Hi,
The new firmware upgrade will allow you to connect your UMC-1 to a display using component video.
You can format convert HDMI to component video up to 1080i/60.
Hope this helps.
Big Dan
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Post by ratmice on Apr 6, 2010 18:09:26 GMT -5
Hi, The new firmware upgrade will allow you to connect your UMC-1 to a display using component video. You can format convert HDMI to component video up to 1080i/60. Hope this helps. Big Dan Whoa. Nice! |
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Post by Walter Mitty on Apr 7, 2010 9:02:22 GMT -5
Hi, The new firmware upgrade will allow you to connect your UMC-1 to a display using component video. You can format convert HDMI to component video up to 1080i/60. Hope this helps. Big Dan ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Thank you! |
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Post by jeffinmonterey on Apr 7, 2010 17:09:52 GMT -5
Hi, The new firmware upgrade will allow you to connect your UMC-1 to a display using component video. You can format convert HDMI to component video up to 1080i/60. Hope this helps. Big Dan This is a big relief for me. Due to house framing and the path of the cable, I only have use of component to my display. The only options are to open up the ceiling and part of a wall....not good. When I was building my addition, there was no HDMI, only DVI, and there was not too much info on that. I ran several RG-6 lines so I could get component. |
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Post by Walter Mitty on Apr 13, 2010 23:22:14 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to confirm this works with the new firmware?
I get Audio thru the UMC, but no video.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Apr 14, 2010 9:21:38 GMT -5
Hi, The new firmware upgrade will allow you to connect your UMC-1 to a display using component video. You can format convert HDMI to component video up to 1080i/60. Hope this helps. Big Dan This is a big relief for me. Due to house framing and the path of the cable, I only have use of component to my display. The only options are to open up the ceiling and part of a wall....not good. When I was building my addition, there was no HDMI, only DVI, and there was not too much info on that. I ran several RG-6 lines so I could get component. After updating firmware, this still does not work. I just spoke with Vincent in Tech Support, and he stated that UMC cannot send HDMI source to Component Video out. Looks like I need the external HDMI to Component converter after all.  |
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Post by sbavnut on Apr 14, 2010 9:50:18 GMT -5
There is an obvious breakdown in communication here.
The big boss (Dan) says one thing - the reality is something else.
What gives?
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Post by Lonnie on Apr 14, 2010 10:03:16 GMT -5
Well in the beginning, it was possible to down convert to component but the rules changed and then another license was required. So we got that license and we thought we were in the clear on this. However, things have changed yet again. Now, if it is DCP encoded, you can not port it out over component at any resolution even with a Rovi license. So I am sorry to say that even though the hardware will down convert everything, according to the new restrictions, we can't pass it on out. If there is no DCP, then yes it will down convert and pass out of component at any resolution up to 1080i, but if it is DCP encoded, it's a no joy situation. Sorry guys, I wish it were different, but it's a brave new world here and the large corps are pushing for tighter and tigher restrictions and soon you will have no choice but to use HDMI for everything.
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Post by SticknStones on Apr 14, 2010 10:39:19 GMT -5
Well in the beginning, it was possible to down convert to component but the rules changed and then another license was required. So we got that license and we thought we were in the clear on this. However, things have changed yet again. Now, if it is DCP encoded, you can not port it out over component at any resolution even with a Rovi license. So I am sorry to say that even though the hardware will down convert everything, according to the new restrictions, we can't pass it on out. If there is no DCP, then yes it will down convert and pass out of component at any resolution up to 1080i, but if it is DCP encoded, it's a no joy situation. Sorry guys, I wish it were different, but it's a brave new world here and the large corps are pushing for tighter and tigher restrictions and soon you will have no choice but to use HDMI for everything. Well that provides a legitimate excuse to upgrade components and retire the old legacy gear!  |
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Post by sbavnut on Apr 14, 2010 10:52:12 GMT -5
I am guessing that Lonnie is referring to this: www.rovicorp.com/licensing_certification/licensing/1446.htmMy reading is that it can be done, but it will cost a LOT of money. So, definitely not worth it for the (relatively) few people who will need it. The UMC-1 product page states: "HDMI sources can be format converted to component video up to 1080i (subject to Macrovision™ guidelines)". This statement is true - but for practical purposes this feature is useless - cannot be done on copyright protected material. (now, if someone wants to, they can always get a BR disc, strip away the copy protection, save the file and play it thru a media streamer and let the UMC-1 convert from HDMI to component - no big deal - just adds a few hours to watching a simple BR movie ... :  |
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