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Post by BillBauman on Apr 13, 2010 10:54:38 GMT -5
1. DSD over HDMI - no issue with the HW, but it won't happen as Lonnie mentioned that Cirrus has discontinued licensing that portion (very recently). Well, that answers that question. I had just figured out it looks like the DSD pins were not discrete but shared other data input so it might have been possible. But, if the chip isn't licensed, I doubt Cirrus would do it for just one customer. |
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Post by ratmice on Apr 13, 2010 12:08:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the info about DSD. That sucks! - I didn't remember that post by Lonnie.
As for the true video passthrough, 480p is OK (DVDO can remove the interlacing), but I seem to recall a problem with their being some kind of conversion/decoding, or whatever, on all video streams - has to do with the OSD, perhaps.
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Post by tknice on Apr 13, 2010 12:25:56 GMT -5
I know what's missing... We need a review of the new firmware!! Who has it loaded?  |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 13, 2010 12:32:55 GMT -5
I know what's missing... We need a review of the new firmware!! Who has it loaded? It's not available yet. Hopefully some time today we'll have it. |
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Post by ntrain42 on Apr 13, 2010 12:40:12 GMT -5
The only thing missing is the FW itself..........its TUESDAY................  |
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Post by jmilton on Apr 13, 2010 12:42:54 GMT -5
The only thing missing is the FW itself..........its TUESDAY................ ....LATE Tuesday on the east coast!  If they don't release it soon, I am just going to have to wait some more. |
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Post by mysterymachine on Apr 13, 2010 12:44:08 GMT -5
Whats our best option for SACD then? If you can't stream DSD then your player converts to M.Ch PCM right? And then there is no native mode for it  The lack of a good M.Ch.PCM mode is the biggest potential problem for me that I have seen so far (unless there are problems with multiroom, I don't think many are using that yet). I got the email today asking for CC info! |
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Post by jmilton on Apr 13, 2010 12:47:15 GMT -5
Whats our best option for SACD then? If you can't stream DSD then your player converts to M.Ch PCM right? And then there is no native mode for it That is my biggest complaint of all that I have seen so far. I got the email today asking for CC info! I can stream DSD from my Oppo to the UMC (though their are those that say the Oppo is not really sending DSD, it just says it is) or PCM to the UMC via HDMI. Either way works and the UMC pushes it out as multi PCM and applies post processing. I prefer PCM over HDMI vs analog outs from the Oppo because post processing sound mighty fine! |
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Post by mysterymachine on Apr 13, 2010 12:49:42 GMT -5
Whats our best option for SACD then? If you can't stream DSD then your player converts to M.Ch PCM right? And then there is no native mode for it That is my biggest complaint of all that I have seen so far. I got the email today asking for CC info! I can stream DSD from my Oppo to the UMC or PCM to the UMC via HDMI. Either way works and the UMC pushes it out as multi PCM and applies post processing. I prefer PCM over HDMI vs analog outs from the Oppo because post processing sound mighty fine! Thanks jmilton, So whats all the talk about no DSD over HDMI then? Am I missing something? |
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Post by jmilton on Apr 13, 2010 12:53:55 GMT -5
The UMC is not capable of taking a direct DSD signal and converting it. Most devices will allow you to have the player convert it to PCM and send it via HDMI. There is always the option of having the player convert DSD to analog and sending it out via 5.1 RCAs to the UMC, but you lose post processing/bass mgt. I tried both ways and will prefered PCM via HDMI. Oh, and the PCM comes over from SACD as 88.2kHz.  DVD-A on my UMC-1... |
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Post by SticknStones on Apr 13, 2010 13:03:38 GMT -5
The only thing missing is the FW itself..........its TUESDAY................ yup it's Tuesday all the way till 11:59pm |
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Post by RayoVac on Apr 13, 2010 13:19:47 GMT -5
Until you guys actually have it and test it, not sure how you can comment on what is there and what is not.
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Post by threxx on Apr 13, 2010 14:04:41 GMT -5
Until you guys actually have it and test it, not sure how you can comment on what is there and what is not. There are a couple official lists of changes. One might assume if it's not in that list, it wasn't changed. |
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Post by leffe67 on Apr 13, 2010 16:10:35 GMT -5
I don't see any mention of a 'native' mode for PCM, meaning if we stream already decoded content via HDMI, the UMC will not apply EQ and bass management to the audio unless we select some other post processing mode. I want to make sure I understand this correctly. If I'm sending multi channel PCM over HDMI from my PS3 (non-slim version) or my HTPC, there is no EQ or bass management applied? I only saw a few options for a PCM stream, including Stereo and Direct. I assume that this would be a pretty big deal considering how many of us probably use older PS3's which could only send TrueHD and DTS Master Audio as PCM streams over HDMI. Am I missing something? |
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Post by mick16 on Apr 13, 2010 18:04:46 GMT -5
According to Lonnie, there's bass management, but No EQs.
At this time you do have other options where the most likely scenario is to use PLIIx which is an overlay of the MC-PCM code and does apply the EQs. In direct mode now EQs, are disabled, but bass management and delays are still active. We are looking into applying the EQs to the MC-PCM code to see what would be involved in it.
I had a PS3 fat as well and this was a big issue for me. At this point, its wait and see if they fix it with a future firmware fix or get yourself a new blu-ray player that can bitstream.
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Post by threxx on Apr 13, 2010 18:52:05 GMT -5
According to Lonnie, there's bass management, but No EQs. At this time you do have other options where the most likely scenario is to use PLIIx which is an overlay of the MC-PCM code and does apply the EQs. In direct mode now EQs, are disabled, but bass management and delays are still active. We are looking into applying the EQs to the MC-PCM code to see what would be involved in it. I had a PS3 fat as well and this was a big issue for me. At this point, its wait and see if they fix it with a future firmware fix or get yourself a new blu-ray player that can bitstream. I have not been able to select PLIIX when playing games on my PS3 (fat). It only gives me the option of 'Stereo' and 'Direct'... even though direct is definitely native multichannel sound... so I don't understand why the only other mode/option would be stereo. With blu-ray movies PLIIX is an option, though. |
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Post by leffe67 on Apr 14, 2010 0:01:42 GMT -5
According to Lonnie, there's bass management, but No EQs. At this time you do have other options where the most likely scenario is to use PLIIx which is an overlay of the MC-PCM code and does apply the EQs. In direct mode now EQs, are disabled, but bass management and delays are still active. We are looking into applying the EQs to the MC-PCM code to see what would be involved in it. I had a PS3 fat as well and this was a big issue for me. At this point, its wait and see if they fix it with a future firmware fix or get yourself a new blu-ray player that can bitstream. Before I get too worked up about this, I guess I should ask: Is it possible for any pre/pro/receiver to have EQ for a PCM stream? Do any currently have this feature? What does the PS3 represent in terms of the total number of blu-ray players in the US, 60%, 70%, higher? It's difficult to imagine leaving a feature like this out for such a large percentage of the population. |
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The lack of a good M.Ch.PCM mode is the biggest potential problem for me that I have seen so far (unless there are problems with multiroom, I don't think many are using that yet). I got the email today asking for CC info!
