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Post by bort22 on Apr 16, 2010 17:13:26 GMT -5
I just took a minute to revisit the pliix music/movie modes. Took three times to power up with the input set to directv and the mode was in direct. Haven't had that problem before. Rebooting dvr fixed it. Switching back from direct to plxii was done on the menu screen but did not change the mode in actuality. I changed input and returned to fix this. Now when the Dolby Digital 3/2 show went to a Digital 2/0 commercial the back surrounds came on with the front speaker information and quite a bit louder than the fronts. When the commercial ended it returned to the show and all channels are gone. No sound. I decided not to repeat in movie mode. Last time I started moving around the modes like this caused the big blast. Very frustrating.
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Post by moovtune on Apr 16, 2010 17:29:39 GMT -5
Was the mode "music" or "movie" for PLIIx? If "music", it may be that you have the "dimension" parameter boosted. If it was "movie" mode, then there's something else going on.
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Post by bort22 on Apr 16, 2010 17:43:30 GMT -5
This latest was music mode. Maybe the dimension parameter would explain the boosted volume and/or it playing the same information as the fronts. Dunno. Not sure it would have anything to do with causing the loss of all sound info upon return to 3/2. Will try again later with movie mode.
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Post by willin58 on Apr 16, 2010 21:43:09 GMT -5
I have reloaded V6 several times with both a Windows 7 64 bit laptop and a 32 bit XP laptop. Tried both in regular and safe modes. I had no problems loading the firmware any of the times. I got these firmware loading options earlier in the week from Vincent.
My problem with the current V6 DPLIIx setting is that not only are the surrounds and back surrounds (I'm running 7.1) way too loud (almost like an all-channel stereo mode), but that the L,C and R speakers all have just about the same volume with nearly no imaging, which is obviously not right. This is both for Movie and Music settings. The Dimension and Center Width (I think that's what it's called) settings make almost no difference. DD-EX also exhibits the same behavior.
I'm not sure what else to do, I would obviously prefer not to send it back, but...
Edit: BTW, I rarely have experienced audio signal loss and seemingly have no other issues that others have reported.
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Post by roadrunner on Apr 16, 2010 22:01:12 GMT -5
willin58
You need to e-mail or call Lonnie or Vince and provide them with complete information about your problem, including all the settings you have set in the UMC-1, both the normal and advanced setting. Emotiva will need this information to isolate what the root cause of your problem is. ;D
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Post by rang on Apr 16, 2010 22:03:26 GMT -5
same exact thing is happening here with a DTV DVR HR20
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Post by willin58 on Apr 16, 2010 22:43:20 GMT -5
willin58 You need to e-mail or call Lonnie or Vince and provide them with complete information about your problem, including all the settings you have set in the UMC-1, both the normal and advanced setting. Emotiva will need this information to isolate what the root cause of your problem is. ;D Thanks RR. I spoke to Vince both today and yesterday. I was hoping the safe-mode FW update would do the trick, but no dice. Time to send it off on Monday. I've looked through all the threads, but I don't think I've come across anyone's whose 7.1 DPLIIx overlay is working correctly. Regular DD sounds fine, it's just DPLIIx that sounds horrible; which essentially renders 7.1 useless. <sigh> |
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Post by macer18 on Apr 16, 2010 23:12:37 GMT -5
Looks like a quick fix is about to come through...Thanks for the update Lonnie!
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Post by marius on Apr 16, 2010 23:55:15 GMT -5
wilin52, It's discussed here (http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=preamps&action=display&thread=10898) and probably a few other threads. Sounds like Lonnie found the problem and is correcting it. I have reloaded V6 several times with both a Windows 7 64 bit laptop and a 32 bit XP laptop. Tried both in regular and safe modes. I had no problems loading the firmware any of the times. I got these firmware loading options earlier in the week from Vincent. My problem with the current V6 DPLIIx setting is that not only are the surrounds and back surrounds (I'm running 7.1) way too loud (almost like an all-channel stereo mode), but that the L,C and R speakers all have just about the same volume with nearly no imaging, which is obviously not right. This is both for Movie and Music settings. The Dimension and Center Width (I think that's what it's called) settings make almost no difference. DD-EX also exhibits the same behavior. I'm not sure what else to do, I would obviously prefer not to send it back, but... Edit: BTW, I rarely have experienced audio signal loss and seemingly have no other issues that others have reported. |
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Post by mdanderson on Apr 17, 2010 4:27:59 GMT -5
I have reloaded V6 several times with both a Windows 7 64 bit laptop and a 32 bit XP laptop. Tried both in regular and safe modes. I had no problems loading the firmware any of the times. I got these firmware loading options earlier in the week from Vincent. My problem with the current V6 DPLIIx setting is that not only are the surrounds and back surrounds (I'm running 7.1) way too loud (almost like an all-channel stereo mode), but that the L,C and R speakers all have just about the same volume with nearly no imaging, which is obviously not right. This is both for Movie and Music settings. The Dimension and Center Width (I think that's what it's called) settings make almost no difference. DD-EX also exhibits the same behavior. I'm not sure what else to do, I would obviously prefer not to send it back, but... Edit: BTW, I rarely have experienced audio signal loss and seemingly have no other issues that others have reported. I am having pretty much the same problem as you. On my directv dvr hr20 I am getting sound on some channels and no sound on others. It does not matter if I have it on DD or DPLxx. |
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Post by rang on Apr 17, 2010 7:08:37 GMT -5
is any one still having system lock up when powering off the UMC-1?
After the v6 install (i though was supposed to have fixed this) I have had the system lock up on me twice when powering down... just wanted to know if this is happening to anyone else?
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Post by iblaineman on Apr 17, 2010 9:23:43 GMT -5
OK I installed the new firmware. I followed the instructions. I am using windows XP. I watched as the DSP firmware loaded. I noted that it doesn't count up percent complete evenly. Maybe it sends different sized data packets. I installed second firmware and all went well. On the third part of the firmware install the UMC never powered off and back on like it said in the instructions. It said loading, loading, loading and then just turned on.
I only have two speakers so I can't really test much. I have FIOS DVR QIP7216. I am connected component and coax since HDMI doesn't work with the UMC it just says DU1 and has a hard time with handshaking. So far I just tried changing channels and would loose audio all the time. I tried changing Dolby digital to all allowable settings on the UMC-1 and still would loose audio. I don't really see any audio options on the FIOS DVR to change. Also I tried pausing and playing and that did not bring audio back. I either had to change channels a few times or change to stereo and back to Dolby digital.
Since my setup is very simple and I only have 3 devices to map I haven't minded doing the firmware upgrades but I can see how this would be a problem for people. The problem is now we told our families they will fix that in the next firmware. In my case V5 was working great for my simple setup. Now however is a big step backward so it's going to be a problem for people.
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Post by Chris on Apr 17, 2010 9:41:15 GMT -5
I don't really see any audio options on the FIOS DVR to change. On Motorola STBs there is a key push sequence to access the internal STB parameters. These allow you to set HDMI resolution and audio options Auto (which often defaults to PCM) and Pass-Through. Going from memory here. You have to do the following: 1. With TV on and Power on STB with signal showing you need to press the following buttons on the front of the STB in exactly this order and within a fairly short time period: Press Power, Press Select, Press Menu The TV display will go dark because you pressed Power and after a few seconds you should see a white screen with black letters and options you can select with the toggle buttons on the front of the STB. I believe the audio settings are on the second page. Once you make changes, selecting menu will exit this menu and you may need to hit power if it is off to get back to normal TV. If you don't get the menu describe you need to try again with different timing to your button push sequence. -CB |
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Post by steviet1000 on Apr 17, 2010 10:16:31 GMT -5
I also have a FIOS DVR connected. Pre v6 I had some intermittent DVI/DUI (can't determine what it says exactly on the Fios display) now with v6 I am getting it everytime. You can get around it by changing to a Hi-Def channel and then back or changing the video resolution; both are not very good. I'd really welcome Emotiva adding a Fios to their test lab for the next firmware. If you are in MA - Fios is everywhere and very popular. iblaineman - do you have any issues with component/coaxial connections from your fios dvr to the umc-1? If not I'm tempted to do this in the short term just to avoid hassle from the wife  |
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Post by ackbar on Apr 17, 2010 11:04:35 GMT -5
I've had this problem on both my DVR and my Xbox360. The DVR is the same as everybody else, switching from a DD 2/0 source to DD 5.1 source makes sound disappear. Pausing and resuming (often more than once) will resolve the issue.
The problem with the Xbox was significantly more annoying. When starting Rockband, the signal goes to PCM 2/0 for the intro video. Once the game starts, it switches to DD 3/2+LFE. All speakers but the Right channel (and perhaps the sub) were lost. I tried the previous method of switching inputs on the UMC, but it didn't fix anything, it actually lost all the channels except the sub. I tried it multiple times, and only the sub would work. Finally, I decided to enter the 'Mode' screen. I verified that DD was selected, and on a whim, I switched it to DD EX. Suddenly I had sound from all the speakers! But it didn't sound right. The music should only be coming from the fronts. It sounds exactly like the same PLII issue. I switched it back to the DD where it belonged, and *finally* everything sounded the way it should.
With the DVR, I could just "pause and play" to get the signal to stop so the UMC would reacquire it properly. There wasn't any way in the Xbox to stop the signal without completely rebooting and playing roulette again. It seems that forcing a mode change in the UMC "fixed" the problem.
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Post by ratmice on Apr 17, 2010 11:23:08 GMT -5
I don't really see any audio options on the FIOS DVR to change. On Motorola STBs there is a key push sequence to access the internal STB parameters. These allow you to set HDMI resolution and audio options Auto (which often defaults to PCM) and Pass-Through. Going from memory here. You have to do the following: 1. With TV on and Power on STB with signal showing you need to press the following buttons on the front of the STB in exactly this order and within a fairly short time period: Press Power, Press Select, Press Menu The TV display will go dark because you pressed Power and after a few seconds you should see a white screen with black letters and options you can select with the toggle buttons on the front of the STB. I believe the audio settings are on the second page. Once you make changes, selecting menu will exit this menu and you may need to hit power if it is off to get back to normal TV. If you don't get the menu describe you need to try again with different timing to your button push sequence. -CB Actually, these instructions will get you to a diagnostic menu, where parameters cannot be changed. If you hit power, then menu, you will get to the user options menu where settings can be changed. At lease on My Motorola DCT-3412 I |
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Post by iblaineman on Apr 17, 2010 12:09:21 GMT -5
steviet1000 using component video and coax audio I really don't have any video trouble and no handshaking delays but I do experience the same audio problems as everyone else. I have never been able to use HDMI with FIOS and the UMC-1. On the first firmware I could watch TV but when I powered down the UMC the DVR would continuously reboot. On V5 I got the DU1 message and unreliable HDMI handshaking just like V6.
Also I tried reloading the firmware. This time the DSP firmware loads just like the directions state. The other two firmware updates do not cause the UMC to reboot like the directions state.
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Post by jimsfield on Apr 17, 2010 12:32:30 GMT -5
Actually, these instructions will get you to a diagnostic menu, where parameters cannot be changed. If you hit power, then menu, you will get to the user options menu where settings can be changed. At lease on My Motorola DCT-3412 I What audio settings can be changed? |
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Post by rk1981 on Apr 17, 2010 18:18:37 GMT -5
On Motorola STBs there is a key push sequence to access the internal STB parameters. These allow you to set HDMI resolution and audio options Auto (which often defaults to PCM) and Pass-Through. Going from memory here. You have to do the following: 1. With TV on and Power on STB with signal showing you need to press the following buttons on the front of the STB in exactly this order and within a fairly short time period: Press Power, Press Select, Press Menu The TV display will go dark because you pressed Power and after a few seconds you should see a white screen with black letters and options you can select with the toggle buttons on the front of the STB. I believe the audio settings are on the second page. Once you make changes, selecting menu will exit this menu and you may need to hit power if it is off to get back to normal TV. If you don't get the menu describe you need to try again with different timing to your button push sequence. -CB Actually, these instructions will get you to a diagnostic menu, where parameters cannot be changed. If you hit power, then menu, you will get to the user options menu where settings can be changed. At lease on My Motorola DCT-3412 I I have the same Motorola unit and had the same issues you decribed until I switched to the optical input. Thanks for the tip. The firmware for DD 2.0, DPLIIx nd DSP certainly needs work but at least they aren't speaker leathal using this method. Also, I finally decided to set speaker distances manually and the rest just by ear. I'm very pleased with the results and have decided to keep my unit. |
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Post by rk1981 on Apr 18, 2010 9:13:47 GMT -5
I set up the same source (DVD player) and on both input source 3 and and input source 6 using exactly the same setting and playing a CD in stereo mode. I think I'm getting a difference in the sound on A/B comparison. Anyone else tried this? There does seem to be a difference between hdmi vs. optical vs. coax, with optical having the cleanest sound, using stereo on any input. That analog sounds even better than may be due to the player.
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