EmoQ umc results

[ICBM99]

Yeah I was asking about the 11 band EQ.

I agree that setting the overall speaker level, distance and xovers manually is pretty much cake. ;D

[carlp336]

agreed, as mentioned in post 8 seems all of us are capable of manual tuning but the point of my thread really was the EMOq values for those generic points of level, distance, & xover. ultimately i feel im missing out by doing manual readings and leaving the EQ bands flat.


is it recommended to tune by EMOQ then adjust the xover and distances based on what they are/should actually be, and use the EMOQ bands ?

[Topend]

Is the EmoQ getting the EQ settings right? This the main reason I run any type of auto cal, whether it be EmoQ or YPAO etc.

After running this I then fine tune distance, cross overs & levels. I trust that it gets the EQ settings right.

[moodyman]

Apr 19, 2010 14:14:52 GMT -5 Topend said:

Is the EmoQ getting the EQ settings right? This the main reason I run any type of auto cal, whether it be EmoQ or YPAO etc.

After running this I then fine tune distance, cross overs & levels. I trust that it gets the EQ settings right.

Ah...you raise a very valid concern and has me wondering why it hasn't been mentioned sooner.

If EMO-Q doesn't give you accurate distances,xovers, etc...what makes you think it set the 11 band EQ for each speaker correctly??

As Ntrain mentioned..the only way to set these manually (or to check if EMO-Q set them right) is to use a pink noise generator and a RTA. ..whether it be SW based such as REW or actual hardware.

When I ran EMO-Q some of the freq sliders were set to +10dB by EMO-Q...this should not be. IMO the EQ settings by EMO-Q are suspect at best...

[carlp336]

well F* me running. that is also a valid point.. what upsets me is when doing the calibration manually im essentially leaving the EQ. as im not in the know of the EQ tuning. which IMO is like having fast car and never hitting top gear. maybe UMC will eventually get up to speed.

[ntrain42]

Little tip, whether it be EmoQ autotune or not. You should NEVER try and jack dips that are 3db or more. If your getting a point of cancellation, you need to try and solve it by speaker placement and/or room treatments. I pretty much use the EQ sliders to reduce peaks ONLY or raise small dips of 1-2db. Remember, when your trying to raise dips of 3db or more, your effectively doubling the amps output at that specific frequency point and can run into clipping the signal or output of the amp.

[jdskycaster]

Multi-band Auto EQ is just one of the reasons I upgraded my pre-pro in the first place. I am still running v5 firmware so I know that even though I received good results - regarding distance and Xover I know that these settings are not being applied.

I have always questioned if the EQ settings were correct (and being applied) as well but am hoping that it is fixed in a future release. If not I will not keep mine. I have no interest in pink noise generators and RTA software running on a PC. I just do not have the time and the technology exists in other products that do produce very useful results.

I also realize that getting your own Auto EQ system developed and working properly is very difficult. Not sure if anyone else reads HT Mag but the review of the Cary 11a pre-pro (MSRP $4000) describes how Cary recommended that he not use the auto calibration in the system. The reviewer still gave the unit a "Top Pick" rating and it only has 2 HDMI inputs as well. For another $4K you can get the outboard video processor and additional HDMI inputs. That is just nuts.

I hope the guys can get the EMO-Q working properly but I know it will not be easy.

JD

[macer18]

Apr 19, 2010 13:15:35 GMT -5 Mischief said:

Most of the software available is simplified for the user, some provide additional capabilities with the assistance of a professional who has specialized tools. EmoQ offers more capability out of the box, it should be capable of doing a better job in the hands of a knowledgeable user.

Note that I use "it should" it seems it doesn't in many instances and I can't be certain why some users are having problems.

This is my experience. I don't yet own, but have set up 4 UMC-1 systems for family and friends. In each instance I was told Emo was insane, the settings were much like I have seen described here.

All of these rooms have terrible sonic issues. In each case I was able to run EmoQ again, taking great care to follow Lonnie's instructions, and each time the results were nearly perfect. I did need to do some minor tweaking on distance and some major tweaks on crossovers. It was easy to see why the crossovers were off, the rooms all had terrible peaks and valleys, a simple Ratshack meter showed exactly why the crossover decisions were made by EmoQ.

Everything now sounds terrific. If these people knew their rooms the setup would have been easy. A sound meter and calibration disc will quickly identify problems. No software will magically make your room perfect, it often makes it worse. You still have to know your room and help it.

I am not in any way saying EmoQ doesn't have issues or that people with problems don't know what they are doing, it looks like there are problems. I can say that my experience has been with users who are less savvy than most people who post here, which was the cause of their problems.

Where is the link to Lonnie's instructions? Couldn't find them in search.

[Topend]

Maybe it would be better to get a professional to calibrate my system for me. I have no clue how to adjust EQ settings manually.

Having said that I don't know that EmoQ can or can't get the EQ settings right. If someone that knows about this tells me it does get EQ settings right, I will be content.

[moodyman]

Apr 19, 2010 14:53:40 GMT -5 ntrain42 said:

Little tip, whether it be EmoQ autotune or not. You should NEVER try and jack dips that are 3db or more. If your getting a point of cancellation, you need to try and solve it by speaker placement and/or room treatments. I pretty much use the EQ sliders to reduce peaks ONLY or raise small dips of 1-2db. Remember, when your trying to raise dips of 3db or more, your effectively doubling the amps output at that specific frequency point and can run into clipping the signal or output of the amp.

I agree with you..that's why I was troubled when I saw EMO-Q was boosting some freq's by +10dB.

[Mischief]

I have seen EmoQ deal with swings larger than 3db well but I agree that room treatment is the right way to go. This isn't always an option as some problems are too big. Adjust to your preference in these cases.

EmoQ, or any other EQ system cannot fix a problem room and I am amazed at how often knowledgeable people or even professional installers believe a room sounds great while it has terrible problems.