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Post by jerrin on Apr 27, 2010 11:19:24 GMT -5
Anyone ever compared the sound of the USP-1 and the Proceed AVP2(+6)? I've got an option on one, but it is substantially more expensive than the USP.
Granted, the AVP will allow me to listen to my multichannel DVD-A and SACD. Anyone have any thoughts or been able to compare these two?
Oh, lest I forget, I will be using analog connections only on the Proceed.
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Post by jvenard on Apr 27, 2010 15:17:55 GMT -5
What are you smoking.
Comparing Emotive and Proceed is similar to comparing a Kia to a BMW. Totally different class.
I recently purchase an Oppo player for DVD-A and SACD over HDMI. The main reason I bought it? I am a Lexicon user and found that Lexicon re-labeled the Oppo 83 as it's high end BluRay player for $3500.
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Post by ratmice on Apr 27, 2010 15:24:55 GMT -5
What are you smoking. Comparing Emotive and Proceed is similar to comparing a Kia to a BMW. Totally different class. I recently purchase an Oppo player for DVD-A and SACD over HDMI. The main reason I bought it? I am a Lexicon user and found that Lexicon re-labeled the Oppo 83 as it's high end BluRay player for $3500. And your point is? Using your reasoning, without knowing the internals, comparing the Oppo (499) to the lexicon (3500) would also be like comparing a Kia to a Bimmer. However, now we know that they are identical, so the comparison is a valid one, no? So why not compare the Proceeed to the USP? Basically, the reason you bought the Oppo is because Lexicon said so? Not because of it's features, qulity, and reviews? What are you smoking? |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 27, 2010 15:32:13 GMT -5
Wow, I have to agree 100% with ratmice. By the logic above, all we've proven is that the brand means nothing and it's more than reasonable to compare Emotiva to Lexicon to Proceed to Shermotiva to B&K to Krell. Why the hell not? I've heard Krell gear I wouldn't take home for $100 and Meridian gear that I considered a 2nd mortgage for. I've really enjoyed all of the Emotiva products I've heard so far, so I think the OP has a point - has anyone compared the two directly, by any chance?
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Post by NorthStar on Apr 27, 2010 15:36:43 GMT -5
Nope!  |
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Post by coolhands on Apr 27, 2010 20:17:15 GMT -5
Don't want to at this point. I'm just kicking back and enjoying the sounds.
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Post by jvenard on Apr 27, 2010 21:58:14 GMT -5
What are you smoking. Comparing Emotive and Proceed is similar to comparing a Kia to a BMW. Totally different class. I recently purchase an Oppo player for DVD-A and SACD over HDMI. The main reason I bought it? I am a Lexicon user and found that Lexicon re-labeled the Oppo 83 as it's high end BluRay player for $3500. Wrong Do your research If you google oppo lexicon 3500 one of the audio sites, I think audioholics, did testing and found the identical specs except for one thing. Lexicon said it was thx certified. Doing further research they found that the lexicon piece did not meet thx specs. When they approached lex and thx, lexicon got very quiet. Check it out And your point is? Using your reasoning, without knowing the internals, comparing the Oppo (499) to the lexicon (3500) would also be like comparing a Kia to a Bimmer. However, now we know that they are identical, so the comparison is a valid one, no? So why not compare the Proceeed to the USP? Basically, the reason you bought the Oppo is because Lexicon said so? Not because of it's features, qulity, and reviews? What are you smoking? |
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Post by jerrin on Apr 27, 2010 22:56:37 GMT -5
I would agree that it is a little odd comparison, given their respective price points. However, I "hear" (more like read) many people saying the USP is amazing and really brings the sound to life.
I'm looking for something I can use to listen to music for awhile, certainly long enough to use till a possible swap out with the XMC. However, if the Proceed is as good or better as the USP in stereo, then that would seem to be the logical way to go for me, as I am interested in the most bang-for-the-buck audio I can get. This would also allow me to listen to my multichannel DVD-A and SACD.
Unfortunately, I have never heard the proceed and given that I heard the USP for only a few hours almost a year ago at Emofest, I feel I have no ability to compare the two. Hence my question.
I will be paring my custom crossover LS9's and two XPA-1s to whichever I decide to go with.
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 27, 2010 23:19:15 GMT -5
jerrin, I guess it depends on what you're considering or willing to spend and when you want it, and what you want it to do. If you'd like an excellent, killer sound quality 2-channel preamp that also has the ability to play DVD-A and SACD (via PCM or analog inputs), I would highly recommend the UMC-1, actually. It's in between the price point of the two you're considering, but I don't think you'd be regretting the SQ for 2-channel sound.
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Post by ratmice on Apr 28, 2010 7:02:35 GMT -5
Wrong Do your research If you google oppo lexicon 3500 one of the audio sites, I think audioholics, did testing and found the identical specs except for one thing. Lexicon said it was thx certified. Doing further research they found that the lexicon piece did not meet thx specs. When they approached lex and thx, lexicon got very quiet. Still no clue what point you're trying to make. You originally say that comparing the USP to a Proceed pre is ridiculous because the price point/quality puts them in different categories. Then you go on to say that you got an Oppo because Lexicon just rebranded it. I know perfectly well the Audioholics article on the Lexicon. And I even agree that they are the same unit. So what research do I need to do? What would I learn that I don't already. Moral: the faceplate means nothing. Your "arguments" support that conclusion. p.s. you still haven't said why comparing the USP t the Proceed is ridiculous. And that was the original question. If your point is that Proceed costs so much more that there's no way it can sound as good, then I've got a nice $26,000 power cord I can point you to. |
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Post by billmac on Apr 28, 2010 7:05:24 GMT -5
What are you smoking. Comparing Emotive and Proceed is similar to comparing a Kia to a BMW. Totally different class. Have you heard both the USP-1 and the Proceed? If not how can you say the Proceed is in a totally different class when considering 2 CH SQ? The first preamp I bought with HT Bypass was the Proceed Pre. I thought it was a great preamp but was not blown away by its SQ. Now the AVP2+6 might be a step up over the Pre for 2 CH SQ but that I'm not sure. Just because the USP-1 costs much less than the AVP2+6 does not mean it would not be a worthy comparison. I had the USP-1 in my system as well and found it had very good SQ as well. I certainly can not recall how the Pre and the USP-1 compared. But going off my flawed memory I would say the comparison might be quite closer than you might think . Bill |
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Post by bootman on Apr 28, 2010 7:31:11 GMT -5
Why are we feeding the trolls?  Pretty soon more of them show up and you have an infestation.  |
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Post by BillBauman on Apr 28, 2010 7:43:29 GMT -5
Why are we feeding the trolls? Pretty soon more of them show up and you have an infestation. <laugh> ;D You crack me up. |
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Post by billmac on Apr 28, 2010 7:53:43 GMT -5
Why are we feeding the trolls? Why not ? He might be trolling or just giving his opinion but I thought it would be good to respond that his post was way off the mark and he might be surprised by how close the comparison might be  . Bill |
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Post by jerrin on Apr 28, 2010 8:12:40 GMT -5
And that's they key. I'd really like some opinions, based on experience, as to how close these two are or are likely to be.
My understanding is that the Proceed was/is one of the best sounding pre-pros ever, under 20K. However, as one could imagine, the pool of those who have actually listened to, let alone owned one, is pretty small.
Anyone even ever heard one?
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Post by billmac on Apr 28, 2010 9:32:19 GMT -5
And that's they key. I'd really like some opinions, based on experience, as to how close these two are or are likely to be. My understanding is that the Proceed was/is one of the best sounding pre-pros ever, under 20K. However, as one could imagine, the pool of those who have actually listened to, let alone owned one, is pretty small. Anyone even ever heard one? You could ask the same question over at AVS. The thread linked below had quite a bit of discussion about the AVP2+6 but was closed due to a few problem members . It was also a very informative thread releated to prepros and those that were seeking the best SQ. You could also do a search on the AVP2+6 to see what other impressions people have. I doubt you will find many that have had the USP-1 and the AVP2+6 in the same system but you never know . www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=707173&highlight=proceedBill |
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Post by NorthStar on Apr 28, 2010 17:06:37 GMT -5
Why are we feeding the trolls? Pretty soon more of them show up and you have an infestation. Here at the Lounge we have the power to reincarnate them into useful citizens! ;D * We know how to make the world a better place. |
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Post by jvenard on Apr 28, 2010 21:08:04 GMT -5
Wrong Do your research If you google oppo lexicon 3500 one of the audio sites, I think audioholics, did testing and found the identical specs except for one thing. Lexicon said it was thx certified. Doing further research they found that the lexicon piece did not meet thx specs. When they approached lex and thx, lexicon got very quiet. Still no clue what point you're trying to make. You originally say that comparing the USP to a Proceed pre is ridiculous because the price point/quality puts them in different categories. Then you go on to say that you got an Oppo because Lexicon just rebranded it. I know perfectly well the Audioholics article on the Lexicon. And I even agree that they are the same unit. So what research do I need to do? What would I learn that I don't already. Moral: the faceplate means nothing. Your "arguments" support that conclusion. p.s. you still haven't said why comparing the USP t the Proceed is ridiculous. And that was the original question. If your point is that Proceed costs so much more that there's no way it can sound as good, then I've got a nice $26,000 power cord I can point you to. My point is, unless there are benchmarks that specs the Emotiva to be an identical to the Proceed, it is highly unlikely you are going to get the sound out of the emotiva that you will the Proceed. Also, SACD and DVD-A is very important to me. And I would guarantee that the Proceed will kick butt over most transports including Oppo/Lexicon or emotiva. I still use a California Audio Labs CD transport for my CD player, I have not found a cd transport that will give me as good of sound. I run it through my Lex Burr Brown dac and its beyond comparison. I used a Denon DVD/SACD/DVD-A but bought the oppo purely for convienence and from the good reviews, but I have not done a A/B with standard CD's I hope this will clear your confusion. PS Years ago Lexicon used a Pioneer transport for its first DVD player, but of course with a $100 billet front |
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Post by jdskycaster on Apr 28, 2010 22:00:52 GMT -5
jvenard,
I have no idea what you are trying to get at with any of your posts. Benchmarks that show one product to be identical to another? What does that mean?
You can surely benchmark one compute system against another but how do you benchmark an audio component? Sound quality is subjective. I have never heard of measuring the output of one component and comparing it to another purely to establish a quantitative value which then equates directly to it's sound quality. On the contrary some audiophiles will argue endlessly over how components that measure terribly sound the best to them. I think in another of your posts you say people hear what they want to hear from an audio product. Whose ears then are we using to establish the benchmark?
JD
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Post by jvenard on Apr 28, 2010 23:02:28 GMT -5
jvenard, I have no idea what you are trying to get at with any of your posts. Benchmarks that show one product to be identical to another? What does that mean? I am refering to the Oppo Player that is the same player as the Lexicon player one is 500 bucks and one is 3500 bucks, but they are the same player and have the same specs You can surely benchmark one compute system against another but how do you benchmark an audio component? Sound quality is subjective. I have never heard of measuring the output of one component and comparing it to another purely to establish a quantitative value which then equates directly to it's sound quality. On the contrary some audiophiles will argue endlessly over how components that measure terribly sound the best to them. I think in another of your posts you say people hear what they want to hear from an audio product. Whose ears then are we using to establish the benchmark? Components. DAC Brands, Mil Spec Parts etc. Proceed is a well known benchmark in the audio industry and the emotiva cd player is not going to sound like the proceed or linn players and it certainly doesnt support SACD or DVD-A. There is no comparison just from the format support alone. I hope this is simple enough to understand. JD |
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