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Post by NorthStar on Oct 15, 2010 11:24:02 GMT -5
You're doin' great Deane!  * Sorry, can't help you out with the IR thing. Bob |
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Post by budgetaudiophile on Dec 12, 2010 19:20:32 GMT -5
I don't think there's a reciever made that can replace the UMC-1 + XPA-5 amp. I suppose if you spend $5-7K you could get close and have more features, but the reality is it's hard to beat separates - particularly on the amplifier side, and for the cost combination of the UMC-1/XPA-5.
I understand not wanting to deal with firmware issues, but I think they have most of the quirks worked out at this point.
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Post by NorthStar on Dec 13, 2010 6:41:39 GMT -5
I don't think there's a reciever made that can replace the UMC-1 + XPA-5 amp. I suppose if you spend $5-7K you could get close and have more features, but the reality is it's hard to beat separates - particularly on the amplifier side, and for the cost combination of the UMC-1/XPA-5. I understand not wanting to deal with firmware issues, but I think they have most of the quirks worked out at this point. I know exactly what you're saying, but when you can get a receiver like the Onkyo TX-NR3007 for only $749.99 ... The UMC-1 cost what? $699 I believe. And does it have ... The XPA-5 on sale cost what? ... $709 * The new Onkyo TX-NR3008 with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Audyssey Sub EQ HT, Audyssey DSX, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume, 9 internal power amps, bla bla bla..., cost brand new, right now, $1,100 and it keeps getting lower! Do you know all the suff that is inside that receiver and all the most advanced technologies? Do you know that it can drive 9 satellite speakers all at once with no problem and EQ two separate subs among all those other speakers? 1. How many satelite speakers (regular size) can you drive all together with the XPA-5? 2. What kind of Auto Room Calibration and EQ system do you have in the UMC-1? I got about 50 more questions, would you like to hear them? I'm just sayin' for different folks with another clear vision!  ...And by all means, if you have 5 full tower and that you like to play them all five as Full Range, then simply add that XPA-5 to your setup! And use your subwoofer(s) only for the LFE channel. See what I mean; it's all related to your a) Speaker loads, b) Room's size, c) the Maximum Level you like to play your Sound, d) and the Level of your Indulgence; meaning how far are you going over your true limits simply for your personal mind satisfaction? TIP: Add a second Subwoofer to your system. |
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 13, 2010 7:13:44 GMT -5
I don't think there's a reciever made that can replace the UMC-1 + XPA-5 amp. I suppose if you spend $5-7K you could get close and have more features, but the reality is it's hard to beat separates - particularly on the amplifier side, and for the cost combination of the UMC-1/XPA-5. I understand not wanting to deal with firmware issues, but I think they have most of the quirks worked out at this point. I know exactly what you're saying, but when you can get a receiver like the Onkyo TX-NR3007 for only $749.99 ... The UMC-1 cost what? $799 I believe. And does it have ... The XPA-5 on sale cost what? ... * The new Onkyo TX-NR3008 with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Audyssey Sub EQ HT, Audyssey DSX, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume, 9 internal power amps, bla bla bla cost brand new, right now, $1,100 and it keeps getting lower! I'm just sayin' for different folks with another clear vision! Bob, I am surprised that you, of all people, would be so far off on the price of the UMC-1. It's normal price has always been $699, plus you get $100 in Emobucks to use for any other purchase... a net price of $599. Yes, the Onkyo 3008 has more bells and whistles than the UMC-1, but when it comes to flexibility and sound quality it can't touch the UMC-1. One of the Lounge members recently thought the Onkyo 3008 might be the better solution... until he compared them, head-to-head. He stated that the UMC-1 "stomped" the 3008 so he removed the Onkyo and returned it. He kept the UMC-1 because, even with the lack of all the bells and whistles, it outperformed the 3008.  Yep, there a lots of options out there, but not many that can perform at the UMC-1's level. The one feature that Emotiva has that is often overlooked is their Tech Support and Customer Service. This is truly what makes purchasing Emotiva a wise choice. |
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Post by NorthStar on Dec 13, 2010 7:26:07 GMT -5
Ronnie, I corrected the price, while I was still working on my post. You're just too fast man!  If you now reread my full terminated post you will see what I'm sayin'. I put myself in the shoes of different type of customers and their goals in this hobby of ours. That guy that returned his 3008, where is he now? I would like to have a word or two with him! ...Got any link? Anyway, I am a very balanced man in my unbalanced life... You're right Ronnie, very good support from Emotiva and that is very important. People go for their budget first though. Support comes after. Right? |
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 13, 2010 10:38:49 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're saying, but when you can get a receiver like the Onkyo TX-NR3007 for only $749.99 ... The UMC-1 cost what? $799 I believe. And does it have ... The XPA-5 on sale cost what? ... * The new Onkyo TX-NR3008 with Audyssey MultEQ XT32, Audyssey Sub EQ HT, Audyssey DSX, Audyssey Dynamic EQ & Volume, 9 internal power amps, bla bla bla cost brand new, right now, $1,100 and it keeps getting lower! I'm just sayin' for different folks with another clear vision! Bob, I am surprised that you, of all people, would be so far off on the price of the UMC-1. It's normal price has always been $699, plus you get $100 in Emobucks to use for any other purchase... a net price of $599. Yes, the Onkyo 3008 has more bells and whistles than the UMC-1, but when it comes to flexibility and sound quality it can't touch the UMC-1. One of the Lounge members recently thought the Onkyo 3008 might be the better solution... until he compared them, head-to-head. He stated that the UMC-1 "stomped" the 3008 so he removed the Onkyo and returned it. He kept the UMC-1 because, even with the lack of all the bells and whistles, it outperformed the 3008. Yep, there a lots of options out there, but not many that can perform at the UMC-1's level. The one feature that Emotiva has that is often overlooked is their Tech Support and Customer Service. This is truly what makes purchasing Emotiva a wise choice. Flexibility, not even close. The 3007/3008 is alot more flexibile. SQ, its subjective depending on how its used. Either way, I do agree on the XPA-5 being a good pickup. |
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Post by Ctuna on Dec 13, 2010 11:11:12 GMT -5
The speakers are Atlantic Technology 370THX. My sub is a Velodyne 18" servo drive. I've communicated with Lonnie, and others at Emotiva and have everything lined up as I wanted it. The order will be placed today. It will be the UMC-1/XPA-5 combo. In regard to approaches such as bi-amping (I don't even know what that is), and using a receiver/smaller amp combination, my simple mind likes to keep things uncluttered and straightforward. With the above combo, all I have to do is plug in the Blu-ray player and some interconnects between the two components. That way I know I'm not doing anything to mess up the sound quality. The comments that have been made here have all been very helpful in my arrival at the end and I sincerely appreciate them. Deane Deane Nice choice, I have the UMC-1 and the UPA-5 combo and went from an old Sony AVR that was rated at 110 watts per channel. I have to admit the sound quality of the UMC-1 and the UPA-5 along with the ERC-1 as changed the overall sound quality of my system 10 fold. I think you are going to be amazed how well your system will sound. I was ! |
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Post by Pauly on Dec 13, 2010 13:48:09 GMT -5
Bob, Ronny is talking about me, and it was a 3007. We have talked about that extensively, even on the phone. Yes, I do feel the UMC stomped the 3007, but in music, not everything. The 3007 is a great AVR, but I don't think it should be compared to the UMC. Now the 886, 5507, 5508 etc, that's a different story. Even Andrew has said that the 1007/3007 doesn't even come close to the UMC. In some areas they do, but if you want to find a true competitor to the UMC, you need to look higher than the Onkyo AVR. IMO
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 13, 2010 13:57:46 GMT -5
Bob, Ronny is talking about me, and it was a 3007. We have talked about that extensively, even on the phone. Yes, I do feel the UMC stomped the 3007, but in music, not everything. The 3007 is a great AVR, but I don't think it should be compared to the UMC. Now the 886, 5507, 5508 etc, that's a different story. Even Andrew has said that the 1007/3007 doesn't even come close to the UMC. In some areas they do, but if you want to find a true competitor to the UMC, you need to look higher than the Onkyo AVR. IMO I think it depends on features used,speakers room size etc need to be factored in when deciding which is a better value. I think the UMC-1/seperate amp overall is better than the 1007 in many cases without doubt, but the 3007 is a different animal. |
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Post by Pauly on Dec 13, 2010 14:15:12 GMT -5
Yes, it is a different animal, and honestly, I would be fine with the 3007 as a pre/pro(if the UMC wasn't around). I compared the two head to head, and for me the UMC was it. But like you said, it just depends on a lot of different things. For my situation and my ears, the UMC is perfect, and certainly better than the 3007. That may not be the case for other people. Some people think a Pio Elite AVR will stomp both the UMC and the 3007. Others will think a Denon is king, and nothing else comes close. It's just so subjective! One thing is for sure though, that the UMC should not be overlooked, even against other much more expensive pieces. You might just be surprised. Same goes for other units. Just because somebody thinks that the Onkyo's are king, or that the Pios are the best, doesn't mean anything. Different needs, different ears, different rooms etc. Also, IMO, you can't go by specs all the time. Just because the Onkyo has BB DACs, or the Denon has whatever THD rating, only means so much. I've heard plenty of units with horrid specs that most would consider unacceptable, but they sound great!
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Post by NorthStar on Dec 14, 2010 0:33:12 GMT -5
Bob, Ronny is talking about me, and it was a 3007. We have talked about that extensively, even on the phone. Yes, I do feel the UMC stomped the 3007, but in music, not everything. The 3007 is a great AVR, but I don't think it should be compared to the UMC. Now the 886, 5507, 5508 etc, that's a different story. Even Andrew has said that the 1007/3007 doesn't even come close to the UMC. In some areas they do, but if you want to find a true competitor to the UMC, you need to look higher than the Onkyo AVR. IMO Alright I got two words for you mister!  ...Hi Pauly! ;D Yeah Ronnie did mention the 3008 though, which is even more advanced than the 3007 with XT32. What is important? Great sound quality with Music but without accurate bass, or good overall sound quality with both Music & Movies with accurate bass? ~ Since the very first day we were born on this Earth, we keep looking for the perfect 'poison' that fits our blood. And everyone's heart beats to a different rhythm, a different tempo, and we all have our different priorities... And we don't have the same rooms, the same speakers and the same gear... Even less the same age with the same set of ears. And that's all I'm sayin'. |
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Post by Pauly on Dec 14, 2010 2:15:38 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself, Bob.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 5:32:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the equation changed a little this morning when Accessories 4 Less changed the listing to SOLD OUT! It's still available around for $200 more, but that causes me to rethink. Too bad one can't order an Emotiva set that has been through their shop and is ready to go. That would make me happy. Deane Actually, I believe the UMC-1 does come with the latest firmware. The question is: Will there be more upgrades and will all that is needed, loader and previous required updates all be in one file that loads everything automatically? |
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 16, 2010 19:28:08 GMT -5
Yes, it is a different animal, and honestly, I would be fine with the 3007 as a pre/pro(if the UMC wasn't around). I compared the two head to head, and for me the UMC was it. But like you said, it just depends on a lot of different things. For my situation and my ears, the UMC is perfect, and certainly better than the 3007. That may not be the case for other people. Some people think a Pio Elite AVR will stomp both the UMC and the 3007. Others will think a Denon is king, and nothing else comes close. It's just so subjective! One thing is for sure though, that the UMC should not be overlooked, even against other much more expensive pieces. You might just be surprised. Same goes for other units. Just because somebody thinks that the Onkyo's are king, or that the Pios are the best, doesn't mean anything. Different needs, different ears, different rooms etc. Also, IMO, you can't go by specs all the time. Just because the Onkyo has BB DACs, or the Denon has whatever THD rating, only means so much. I've heard plenty of units with horrid specs that most would consider unacceptable, but they sound great! Honestly, if the UMC-1 was rock solid stable I wouldn't have any issue recommending it. Even with the HDMI switcher softening the picture(more noticeable for me since I now am switching the household over to all large screen projector setups)a bit/lack of true pass through, the Sub EQ being non functional on 2 channel music and DACs Im not a fan of, the unit is a good value overall and I know works perfectly well with many setups. Even with these small issues(cept for the stability over a wide variety of equipment combo)it really is a pretty darn good value. I can honestly say I am a bit negatively biased because of the months I went through with the same lock up issue and being ticked off and literally teased with an 11 band sub EQ I could never use. |
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Post by budgetaudiophile on Dec 28, 2010 13:19:44 GMT -5
Another thing to keep in mind when talking about flexibility... with a receiver, the only upgrade path is to replace it. If you have a separates setup, you only need replace the component you want to upgrade. If you buy a big, beefy amplifier like the XPA-5, the odds of any necessity to replace it down the road is vanishingly small. The odds of new, super-cool features being implemented in the pre-pro, in the current excellerating state of technology (not to mention convergence), is 100%.
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