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Post by corgidog59 on Dec 20, 2010 12:06:05 GMT -5
The Oppo BDP-95 is scheduled for release in February 2011. Oppo has a complete description of it on their web site. A description of what the BDP-95 has under the hood (DAC specific components):
SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC (Digital-to-Analog Converter) is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-95 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output.
It is blue ray player but it is designed for the audiophile listener (2 channel).
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Post by stuofsci02 on Dec 20, 2010 12:11:03 GMT -5
Well..
The Oppo is definately a much better Blu-ray player then the XDA-1.
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Post by Trey on Dec 20, 2010 12:45:54 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by jannick on Dec 20, 2010 12:57:41 GMT -5
The two products are not really interchangeable. The BDP-95 doesn't provide:
- digital inputs
- pre-amp
but instead provides:
- network streaming & control
- playback of harddisk content
- bluray & media disc playback
If you only need a good dac for those types of content sources, then maybe it will be able to do better. You still need to figure out a dac/processor for your other sources though, such as tv/cable and gaming consoles.
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Post by carlp336 on Dec 20, 2010 13:51:19 GMT -5
2 other points.
the oppo 95 is a couple months from even being released to the population.
second the XDA is most likely going to end up being a 1/3 of the price IMO.
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Post by Erwin.BE on Dec 20, 2010 14:03:49 GMT -5
Maybe corgidog59 wanted to know which would be best for stereo out of an Oppo:
Oppo 95
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Oppo 93 + XDA-1
In this case, if I had no other digital source, like a computer, and used with a AVR or AV-prepro, I'd probably go for the Oppo 95. Like: Oppo 95 > XMC-1 > XPA
Not sure which of the two options would sound best though.
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Post by carlp336 on Dec 20, 2010 14:09:55 GMT -5
Maybe corgidog59 wanted to know which would be best for stereo out of an Oppo: Oppo 95 or Oppo 93 + XDA-1 In this case, if I had no other digital source, like a computer, and used with a AVR or AV-prepro, I'd probably go for the Oppo 95. Like: Oppo 95 > XMC-1 > XPA Not sure which of the two options would sound best though. perhaps, but theres no mention of a combo option in the OP. apples and oranges really. |
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Post by corgidog59 on Dec 20, 2010 14:56:36 GMT -5
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My bad..I was talking about stereo performance between the two. The Oppo 95 will replace the Oppo 83SE. I jumped on the XDA-1 because I wanted to pair it with the Oppo BDP-93. But with the eventual release of the BDP-95, I am toying with the idea of buying that and returning the XDA-1 or just keep with my orginal plan of using the BDP-93. I am 70% stereo listener and 30% movies.
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Post by MukAudio on Dec 20, 2010 20:12:26 GMT -5
Erwin.BE My bad..I was talking about stereo performance between the two. The Oppo 95 will replace the Oppo 83SE. I jumped on the XDA-1 because I wanted to pair it with the Oppo BDP-93. But with the eventual release of the BDP-95, I am toying with the idea of buying that and returning the XDA-1 or just keep with my orginal plan of using the BDP-93. I am 70% stereo listener and 30% movies. Does your stereo listening come from CDs or digital music files? Mark. |
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Post by bobbyt on Dec 20, 2010 20:33:58 GMT -5
32 bit?! Just for you guys who aren't aware, it isn't like 16 to 24 is a notch up, and 24 to 32 is another notch.
16 bit is ~65,000 possible values for each sample.
24 bit is 16.7 million, or 256x finer resolution.
32 bit is 4.3 billion discrete values. So take every one of the 65k possible values on a CD, and divide it into 65k slices. Doubling bits SQUARES the value.
I'm all for overengineering, but the step from 16 to 24 bit is already insane and I'm sure our ears can't distinguish anywhere near that many values. 32 bit is just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 20:45:31 GMT -5
Erwin.BE My bad..I was talking about stereo performance between the two. The Oppo 95 will replace the Oppo 83SE. I jumped on the XDA-1 because I wanted to pair it with the Oppo BDP-93. But with the eventual release of the BDP-95, I am toying with the idea of buying that and returning the XDA-1 or just keep with my orginal plan of using the BDP-93. I am 70% stereo listener and 30% movies. Whatever people advise you on is just speculation. The Oppo doesn't exist yet, so how can it be compared to anything? |
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Post by corgidog59 on Dec 21, 2010 8:46:42 GMT -5
MukAudio
I listen to CDs. I have not transitioned to digital files yet. I don't own an Apple I Phone, Touch, or Pad. I am way behind the times. lol
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Post by Erwin.BE on Dec 21, 2010 10:23:04 GMT -5
MukAudio I listen to CDs. I have not transitioned to digital files yet. I don't own an Apple I Phone, Touch, or Pad. I am way behind the times. lol OK, but know that you don't need any of those you named to use digital files @ home. Just a Mac mini (and the XDA or another DAC) will do. If you only play with the Oppo, the 95 will probably be just as good as the 93 + XDA. If you want to use both Oppo and a computer, the XDA is the better option IMO. You only need an iPod etc to take your music with you in your car or to work or jog. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 12:53:20 GMT -5
The 95 won't have volume issues  |
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Post by franksonic on Dec 21, 2010 23:01:56 GMT -5
But i think you can stream your music from a computer to the Oppo. So you can use the Oppo DAC this way. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Post by Trey on Dec 22, 2010 0:59:26 GMT -5
Correct, you can stream .mp3, .m4a, .wav and .flac files to the Oppo.
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Post by johnrice on Dec 22, 2010 17:36:56 GMT -5
On the absurd over designed front, I wonder if the higher resolution DAC would produce better results playing SACD. I am looking for the best possible playback system for 2-channel SACD and am wondering if the BDP-95 and USP-1 would be the answer.
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Post by stuofsci02 on Dec 22, 2010 17:52:09 GMT -5
On the absurd over designed front, I wonder if the higher resolution DAC would produce better results playing SACD. I am looking for the best possible playback system for 2-channel SACD and am wondering if the BDP-95 and USP-1 would be the answer. The answer is no.. I have heard better pre-amps and DACs/Players. Now if you said.. For $1500... I would be hard pressed to point to something better. |
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Post by johnrice on Dec 22, 2010 21:07:32 GMT -5
The answer is no.. I have heard better pre-amps and DACs/Players. Now if you said.. For $1500... I would be hard pressed to point to something better. Yeah, I should put a price qualifier. Of course, you aren't likely to have actually heard a BDP-95 at this point. I think I just need to try it. I am hoping for an audible improvement on 2-channel CD and especially SACD. I have Thiel CS 3.6 powered by an Aragon 4004II. An Emotiva XPA-5 powers the rest of the surround system. Right now the music source is a Pioneer DV-59AVi DVD/SACD player connected with iLink to a VSX-56TXi receiver, which is just a head unit, since I'm using all external amps. What I'm contemplating is a USP-1 for 2-channel, ultimately fed with analog from the Oppo 95, and a UMC-1 for surround. I'm hoping this will produce very nice surround and noticeably better 2-channel for a pretty reasonable price. I'm not saying I'm disappointed with the SACD now. It is almost amazing. It's just that the equipment is kind of aging and I wonder how much improved sound I can get for not too much cash. |
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Post by stuofsci02 on Dec 22, 2010 23:36:21 GMT -5
The answer is no.. I have heard better pre-amps and DACs/Players. Now if you said.. For $1500... I would be hard pressed to point to something better. Yeah, I should put a price qualifier. Of course, you aren't likely to have actually heard a BDP-95 at this point. I think I just need to try it. I am hoping for an audible improvement on 2-channel CD and especially SACD. I have Thiel CS 3.6 powered by an Aragon 4004II. An Emotiva XPA-5 powers the rest of the surround system. Right now the music source is a Pioneer DV-59AVi DVD/SACD player connected with iLink to a VSX-56TXi receiver, which is just a head unit, since I'm using all external amps. What I'm contemplating is a USP-1 for 2-channel, ultimately fed with analog from the Oppo 95, and a UMC-1 for surround. I'm hoping this will produce very nice surround and noticeably better 2-channel for a pretty reasonable price. I'm not saying I'm disappointed with the SACD now. It is almost amazing. It's just that the equipment is kind of aging and I wonder how much improved sound I can get for not too much cash. You are right.. I obviously have not heard the Oppo 95. I do however use the USP-1 and the Oppo 83SE combo right now. I do not expect the 95 to be a big improvement on the 83SE, but time will tell. I just tossed up a review the other day of the 83SE and USP-1 combo the other day under the preamp reviews section of the forum. You might be interested as I am (like you) trying to put together the ultimate 2-channel system and I compared it to some high end gear. And I (like you) used to run through the EXT inputs of my AVR to the preouts to an external amp... Cheers.. |
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