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Post by flyhigh on Apr 13, 2011 11:03:22 GMT -5
[quote author=monkumonku board=preampdac thread=17586 post=27 That said, you know there's never going to be agreement on this topic. Otherwise, many manufacturers would probably go out of business. Especially the ones who tell you that their products require a burn-in period that is longer than the trial/return period.  [/quote] Bingo. That said, I have noticed that following a 1372.56 hour break in period, the keypad on my netbook conveys a vastly superior sense of breadth and scale as compared to when it was new. What seemed cramped and closed in initially, has blossomed into a superb representation of a real keyboard. An almost tactile sense seems to accompany each keystroke, and the pace, and rhythm of my typing has risen to reference levels...in my system. Note: further break-in seems likely in order for me to properly make quotes..... |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 11:14:04 GMT -5
That said, you know there's never going to be agreement on this topic. Otherwise, many manufacturers would probably go out of business. Especially the ones who tell you that their products require a burn-in period that is longer than the trial/return period. Bingo. That said, I have noticed that following a 1372.56 hour break in period, the keypad on my netbook conveys a vastly superior sense of breadth and scale as compared to when it was new. What seemed cramped and closed in initially, has blossomed into a superb representation of a real keyboard. An almost tactile sense seems to accompany each keystroke, and the pace, and rhythm of my typing has risen to reference levels...in my system. Note: further break-in seems likely in order for me to properly make quotes..... I can tell, because even what you wrote above is more expanded and open than the earlier posts you made. There's a sense of air about them that I didn't notice before. |
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Post by Mischief on Apr 13, 2011 11:41:34 GMT -5
One thing that is never brought up in these discussions is the simple fact that we hear things differently all the time. If you have been running a vacuum cleaner,listening to dogs barking, or sitting in a very quiet environment your brain and ears have made subtle adjustment to adapt to the environment and ittakes time to readjust.
This means that virtually every time you sit down and listen you are hearing things just a little differently.
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Post by pigsonawing on Apr 13, 2011 12:28:06 GMT -5
it's all about perception. If you perceive a difference then, in your world, there is one. And it's your world that matters.
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 12:34:11 GMT -5
it's all about perception. If you perceive a difference then, in your world, there is one. And it's your world that matters. Welcome to the Matrix. ;D |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 13, 2011 12:42:48 GMT -5
it's all about perception. If you perceive a difference then, in your world, there is one. And it's your world that matters. Welcome to the Matrix. ;D *YOUR* world doesn't matter at all. It's *MY* world that matters.  |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 12:49:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the Matrix. ;D *YOUR* world doesn't matter at all. It's *MY* world that matters. Hey that's our society: "It's all about ME" - entitlements rule!! ;D (the "me" aspect is demonstrated very capably if you just watch American Idol in which everyone feels they have to be able to include more notes and go up and down the scale more often per second than the next contestant... or watch someone singing the Star Spangled Banner... it's all about ME!) |
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Post by geebo on Apr 13, 2011 13:07:52 GMT -5
Complete burn-in will not be accomplished until approximately 10,000 hours of use time, after which you should imediately toss the unit and purchase a new one.  What always cracked me up was how AOL used to make some offer like 1,000 free hours if you signed up but then those hours had to be used during the first month. A typical month has 720 hours. But 1,000 free hours sure does sound good. HaHa! I always loved that one! |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 13:26:02 GMT -5
What always cracked me up was how AOL used to make some offer like 1,000 free hours if you signed up but then those hours had to be used during the first month. A typical month has 720 hours. But 1,000 free hours sure does sound good. HaHa! I always loved that one! Actually, if you use an upgraded cable from the modem, it was possible to fit in 1,000 hours in a month. |
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Post by pigsonawing on Apr 13, 2011 13:33:32 GMT -5
I hear a difference, I believe it to be real, I'm happy...therefore the difference is real to me. When it comes to hearing it is "me and my world". Who am I to tell someone else that they're not hearing something just because there is no objective evidence to support my POV. When it comes to human hearing it is subjective to an extent.
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Post by DYohn on Apr 13, 2011 13:38:31 GMT -5
I hear a difference, I believe it to be real, I'm happy...therefore the difference is real to me. When it comes to hearing it is "me and my world". Who am I to tell someone else that they're not hearing something just because there is no objective evidence to support my POV. When it comes to human hearing it is subjective to an extent. Yes, human perception is absolutely subjective. That is why most of the "this makes things sound better" arguments are doomed to never reach a conclusion. What is not subjective however is sound, or acoustics, or how electronics work and how they behave with time/temperature/signal levels etc. Thus when someone says "this makes a difference" my reply is usually good for you. But if it is not measurable it is unlikely to make a difference for anyone else. |
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Post by geebo on Apr 13, 2011 13:42:00 GMT -5
HaHa! I always loved that one! Actually, if you use an upgraded cable from the modem, it was possible to fit in 1,000 hours in a month. Only the directional time-aligned cable... |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 13:50:05 GMT -5
I hear a difference, I believe it to be real, I'm happy...therefore the difference is real to me. When it comes to hearing it is "me and my world". Who am I to tell someone else that they're not hearing something just because there is no objective evidence to support my POV. When it comes to human hearing it is subjective to an extent. Yes, human perception is absolutely subjective. That is why most of the "this makes things sound better" arguments are doomed to never reach a conclusion. What is not subjective however is sound, or acoustics, or how electronics work and how they behave with time/temperature/signal levels etc. Thus when someone says "this makes a difference" my reply is usually good for you. But if it is not measurable it is unlikely to make a difference for anyone else. Regarding pigsonawing (nice moniker!), I am not going to argue because if he feels he hears a difference, only he knows for sure what that is and if it makes him happy, isn't that the point of this hobby? I just like making fun of things and making trouble. ;D Regarding Dyohn's statement, I have to disagree about the last two sentences. If enough people start saying something makes a difference, whether it does or not, a lot of other people will begin saying it makes a difference, whether they really hear one or not. Or their minds may make them think they hear a difference. No one wants to stand out or be wrong or look silly so hanging with the crowd is safe. It's just like attending a wine tasting. Everyone looks to the expert before pronouncing their own judgment on a particular wine. |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 13, 2011 13:54:56 GMT -5
Regarding Dyohn's statement, I have to disagree about the last two sentences. If enough people start saying something makes a difference, whether it does or not, a lot of other people will begin saying it makes a difference, whether they really hear one or not. Or their minds may make them think they hear a difference. No one wants to stand out or be wrong or look silly so hanging with the crowd is safe. It's just like attending a wine tasting. Everyone looks to the expert before pronouncing their own judgment on a particular wine. Thus the difference between "making a difference" and the placebo effect. |
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Post by flyhigh on Apr 13, 2011 14:13:42 GMT -5
The OPs question was entirely valid, and his personal findings will prevail... For him.
Audio equipment and listening makes a great pastime, but belief in mystical phenomena that lies outside the grasp of science, and is understood only by a few persons...who incidentally make/sell/review expensive audio equipment...is a costly (if not simply time-consuming) mistake that will ultimately prove disappointing.
An afternoon spent fine-tuning speaker position will almost certainly yield more results, and they are results you can measure.
400hrs wasted on Fantasy Island burning in an audio component with pink noise is well.....400hrs you're never getting back.
Been there...done that and got the audiophile lapel pin. (The one that has the Leprauchans, and Unicorns on it)
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 14:37:00 GMT -5
Been there...done that and got the audiophile lapel pin. (The one that has the Leprauchans, and Unicorns on it) Yeah but even though Leprauchans and unicorns don't exist (although maybe someone will want to debate that), people still draw pictures of them and make up stories about them. |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 13, 2011 14:54:47 GMT -5
people still draw pictures of them and make up stories about them. Popular does not equal real, or even good.  |
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Post by pigsonawing on Apr 13, 2011 15:00:51 GMT -5
monkumonku, Gotta love Pink Floyd! I was playing devils advocate. My point is we all hear differently, hence the science of Psychoacoustics or Psychotic Individuals. ;D Personally I use the following approach to purchasing new audio equipment: do I hear a difference, is it dramatic? If they are yes: can I afford it? Before I go too deep into the black light room...let us not forget why we are into this stuff...Music! Anything that makes the listening experience more enjoyable real or not is worth it to me.
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Post by pigsonawing on Apr 13, 2011 15:02:05 GMT -5
Oh...one more thing: stirring the pot is always worth it! ;D
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 13, 2011 15:09:45 GMT -5
people still draw pictures of them and make up stories about them. Popular does not equal real, or even good. Tell that to James Cameron. ;D |
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