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Post by stuofsci02 on Apr 15, 2011 7:59:46 GMT -5
myryse,
I guess the best thing would be to try some different pieces out. A preamp wouldn't be something I would buy without auditioning first..
Cheers,
Stuart
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Post by rclark on Apr 16, 2011 19:08:33 GMT -5
Can somebody please describe the proposed internal components if the xsp-1 and then also compare them with what a high end preamp would contain?
Lots of talk that it will be a giant killer but not an adequate explanation for me as to why and especially how.
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Post by thomasd92 on Apr 17, 2011 12:36:13 GMT -5
I had the USP-1 and for its price it was an excellent preamp. I got tired of waitng for the XSP-1 and bought a Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE about 3 weeks ago. I also just got a PS Audio GCPH Phono pre amp and could not be happier. The STP-SE gets better every time I turn it on. It needs 200 hours of break in according to the manufacturer. I have rediscovered my vinyl and enjoying the results.If you get the STP-SE you may not like the sound when you first use it. It is so neutral it takes some break in and time to adjust to it but after you listen to it for a while you will really begin to enjoy your music.
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Post by myryse on Apr 18, 2011 2:35:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the input thomasd92, I'm still considering getting something else other than the XSP and really the only pre that has me drooling, aside from the XSP, IS the STP-SE! I have heard nothing but good things about it. I truly am very tempted at this point to get one even though someone at EMO has stated that it should be about a month longer before the XSP is ready.....it's tough to decide which way to go on this one.
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Post by rclark on Apr 19, 2011 2:25:13 GMT -5
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Post by ripcordaff on Apr 19, 2011 9:38:34 GMT -5
Does the W4S preamp have crossover for a sub? I have been looking for a high quality preamp that has that functionality, but I can't seem to find one
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Post by roadrunner on Apr 19, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -5
Does the W4S preamp have crossover for a sub? I have been looking for a high quality preamp that has that functionality, but I can't seem to find one The W4S web site makes no mention of bass management and none of the reviews I have seen mention it either. Emotiva's USP-1 and XSP-1 have analog bass management with separate High Pass and Low Pass xovers from 50 Hz to 250 Hz, and your choice of 12 dB or 24 dB slope. It looks the XSP-1 is far more feature rich than the W4S and has very similar specs (based on info released at Emofest) and approaches to volume control. Knowing W4S's reputation, I am even more excited to get my hands on the XSP-1. |
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Post by rclark on Apr 19, 2011 12:38:22 GMT -5
Really? Because that info on the WFS absolutely floored me. How they implemented the volume control is really neat. The high end caps used, large capacitance, good wiring, automated passive/active control, and the 6Moons review called it basically THE preamp to own. You're right about bass management, however. Maybe it's a moot point, maybe it's on the remote.
I'd be very interested to read some descriptions on the XSP-1, because there really isn't anything.
Anyway, just ordered the ERC-2 and some xlr cable.
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Post by myryse on Apr 19, 2011 18:02:43 GMT -5
rclark, congrats on your ERC-1 sale! I had mine listed for a few days at 325.00 shipped and got no takers??? I talked to emo today and they somewhat swayed me into taking the add out of the emporium after one of the techs told me that there wouldn't be much improvement in SQ going from the erc-1 to the erc-2 through the XDA, and being that I just added a BDP-95 to the family I can't justify getting into an ERC-2 right now(but that doesn't mean I won't get one at some point...hahaha). The W4S pre doesn't seem to have bass management but I keep hearing that it is an incredible piece of gear. I wish they offered a 30 day trial period so I could "check one out"
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Post by myryse on Apr 19, 2011 18:06:40 GMT -5
I think I will offer my ERC-1 for one more day.....325.00 shipped seems fair doesn't it??
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Post by TJHUB on Apr 19, 2011 18:22:44 GMT -5
Really? Because that info on the WFS absolutely floored me. How they implemented the volume control is really neat. The high end caps used, large capacitance, good wiring, automated passive/active control, and the 6Moons review called it basically THE preamp to own. You're right about bass management, however. Maybe it's a moot point, maybe it's on the remote. I'd be very interested to read some descriptions on the XSP-1, because there really isn't anything. Anyway, just ordered the ERC-2 and some xlr cable. I've never heard the WFS STP preamp, but I'm certain it's very good due mostly to positive reviews and feedback from owners. One thing to remember is that a preamp alone doesn't make the system. There has to be a synergy of all the components to work well. This is a lesson I learned over time. The WFS preamp does not have bass management, but it does have dual outputs that would allow the connection of a subwoofer. I run a preamp that has dual outputs this way and it works just fine. I used to have a Parasound 2100 and got spoiled with it's bass management. There were times I really missed that. But I've gotten around it with great success, so no issue there. If someone would want bass management on a great preamp, the Parasound P7 is the one to look at. |
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Post by rclark on Apr 20, 2011 0:06:44 GMT -5
I think I will offer my ERC-1 for one more day.....325.00 shipped seems fair doesn't it?? More than fair but I was able to get $350 shipped. So its a very minor loss upgrading. I bought it on sale  It was last summer, if I remember correctly it was like 369 shipped or something ridiculous like that, with a free Emotiva t shirt. So it's a pretty pain free upgrade to the 2. I'm just psyched to have a completely balanced signal all the way to my speakers when all is built. |
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Post by myryse on Apr 20, 2011 2:18:40 GMT -5
Right on rclark, you did real good!! And I'm sure the new set-up will sound just SICK!! Congrats!
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Post by thomasd92 on Apr 20, 2011 5:47:30 GMT -5
I have the Wyred 4 sound STP and if you have good full range speakers there is no need for a sub woofer. I am impressed how good my Salk Sound HT2's sound by themselves without the a sub in play. Yes there are dual outputs and you could hook up a sub but I have no need to it.
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Post by TJHUB on Apr 20, 2011 6:44:21 GMT -5
I have the Wyred 4 sound STP and if you have good full range speakers there is no need for a sub woofer. I am impressed how good my Salk Sound HT2's sound by themselves without the a sub in play. Yes there are dual outputs and you could hook up a sub but I have no need to it. I have HT2-TL's, and while they certainly don't need a sub for music, I highly doubt your frequency response below 100Hz is very flat. Speakers fall victim to the room at that point, and an EQ'd subwoofer is the best solution I've found. I wouldn't listen to music without an EQ'd sub, but maybe that's just me.  |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 20, 2011 6:56:56 GMT -5
I have HT2-TL's, and while they certainly don't need a sub for music, I highly doubt your frequency response below 100Hz is very flat. Speakers fall victim to the room at that point, and an EQ'd subwoofer is the best solution I've found. I wouldn't listen to music without an EQ'd sub, but maybe that's just me. +1 to that. The purchase of my AS-EQ1 was probably the best investment that I've made in some time. I've never been a fan of Audyssey (or any other) room correction simply because I don't like what it does to my "top end", but I've found that my (as well as most) room really only needed help at the bottom. |
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Post by bongteo on Apr 20, 2011 9:17:42 GMT -5
I've only compare to Densen B-100 to usp-1 before and I could tell you the difference is really marginal. What the densen gave is slightly better control of bass, seperation and air but other then these, the usp-1 really doesn't loose much, everything thing is there, it just loose that tiny bit of refinement. With the Densen 3~4 times more expensive (Depends you from which country), it really boils down to you whether you wan to spent alot more for the small bit of refinement.
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Post by rclark on Apr 20, 2011 12:52:29 GMT -5
I have the Wyred 4 sound STP and if you have good full range speakers there is no need for a sub woofer. I am impressed how good my Salk Sound HT2's sound by themselves without the a sub in play. Yes there are dual outputs and you could hook up a sub but I have no need to it. I have HT2-TL's, and while they certainly don't need a sub for music, I highly doubt your frequency response below 100Hz is very flat. Speakers fall victim to the room at that point, and an EQ'd subwoofer is the best solution I've found. I wouldn't listen to music without an EQ'd sub, but maybe that's just me. But really, multiple subs is the answer, three being optimal. EQ's can't truly fix room modes. Look here at these 3D room graphs of varying subwoofer setups. Single sub setups are just awful. Peaky: www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/subwoofer-placement-the-place-for-bass-part-1 Read that article. Look at the first page with all the verying eigenmodes. There's no way for an EQ to solve those. You need more than one sub for truly flat response. |
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Post by rclark on Apr 20, 2011 21:00:03 GMT -5
Right on rclark, you did real good!! And I'm sure the new set-up will sound just SICK!! Congrats! thanks!! ;D Well, stick around, I hope to have it all up and running by the end of june. Fully finished and complete (room treatment, power conditioning, etc) by August. My mega 2.2 audiophile system. And then I move into a house.. And prepare to build a smaller system for our bedroom and another one for our office. Probably nothing more than some tiny bookshelves, an XDA-1, and a small amp for each. |
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Post by TJHUB on Apr 20, 2011 21:27:21 GMT -5
I have HT2-TL's, and while they certainly don't need a sub for music, I highly doubt your frequency response below 100Hz is very flat. Speakers fall victim to the room at that point, and an EQ'd subwoofer is the best solution I've found. I wouldn't listen to music without an EQ'd sub, but maybe that's just me. But really, multiple subs is the answer, three being optimal. EQ's can't truly fix room modes. Look here at these 3D room graphs of varying subwoofer setups. Single sub setups are just awful. Peaky: www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/subwoofer-placement-the-place-for-bass-part-1 Read that article. Look at the first page with all the verying eigenmodes. There's no way for an EQ to solve those. You need more than one sub for truly flat response. You can believe what ever you want, but it depends far more on the room and placement than how many subs. Multiple subs can cause issues of their own as well. No one is saying throw a single sub anywhere an EQ it. Come on man, what's your argument here? I have run single EQ'd subs for years with fantastic results. Of course I properly place the sub and EQ peaks only. Sound wise, perfect (with a "good" sub of course). I have a friend that runs his single sub with no EQ because its ruler flat all by itself. Placement and room means more than anything. |
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