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Post by granteedev on Jun 1, 2011 9:42:44 GMT -5
I think Axioms are driven by the hype machine and nothing else. I would definitely go for the emotivas over them. My most likely choice for speakers near the price point would likely be the Aperion Verus Grands or Revel F12s though.
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Post by cgolf on Jun 1, 2011 9:52:54 GMT -5
I think Axioms are driven by the hype machine and nothing else. I would definitely go for the emotivas over them. My most likely choice for speakers near the price point would likely be the Aperion Verus Grands or Revel F12s though. Actually my Axioms are driven by an assortment of Emo amps and sound excellent. The only hype in my setup are the remainder of the Swans that I'm desperately trying to sell. ;D |
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Post by thielguy on Jun 1, 2011 11:20:05 GMT -5
I know I can't add mich - because I've never heard emo speakers.
But I own a pair of Axiom M60's - smaller brother to the M80's you are looking at. I do enjoy my m60's, and I can listen to them all day.
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Post by Wideawake on Jun 1, 2011 12:53:46 GMT -5
My experience has been similar to Chuckienut's. I have a pair of ERM-1's (same drivers as the 8.3 without the bass drivers). I had compared these to my brother's Axiom M60 and the Axiom bookshelves (forget their model number) and I preferred sound of the ERM-1. I posted a review on the lounge somewhere. The ERM-1 plays with an authority that is lacking in the Axioms, IMO. Also, the 8.3 is a sealed design while the Axiom is ported. During our comparison, both Axiom models bottomed out while the ERM-1 was just getting started. These speakers can take some serious juice and sound awesome. I believe that the ERMs are the best value in terms of price/SQ anywhere.
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Post by cgolf on Jun 1, 2011 14:07:09 GMT -5
IMO I find it very hard to believe that the Axiom M60 bottomed out while the ERD-1 was just getting started. I would have to see/hear that to believe it. ;D My reasoning is that the Axiom M60 is not that bad of a speaker and the ERM-1 is not that good of a speaker and there isn't that much difference between the 2 speakers.  |
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Post by Wideawake on Jun 1, 2011 14:50:44 GMT -5
Sorry cgolf but it is true. We were playing an Eagles DVD, listening to Hotel California. We listened to the M60 first and kept increasing the volume until we detected distortion and port chuffing at about half of max volume using the LMC-1/IPS-1. We then switched to the ERM-1 and did the same thing. This time we were able to play past 3/4 volume and the ERM-1 kept going strong. We did not increase the volume any further because we could not stand the sound pressure. ;D These babies play larger than they look, I'm telling ya!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 17:21:23 GMT -5
the ERM-1 is not that good of a speaker..... Charlie, the Audioholics review rated the ERM-1's and the ERD-1 at 5 stars, their highest rating! You mentioned both the ERD-1 and ERM-1, did you have them mixed up? The ERD-1 only has one of the 5.25 mid/woofers instead of the two on the ERM-1 since it is not needed on the surround model. I would wonder why you had concluded that the ERM-1 is "not that good of a speaker"? www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/emotiva-er-5-0-speaker-system-review |
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Post by briank on Jun 1, 2011 18:00:51 GMT -5
When it comes to speakers, personal sound preference is huge. You have to audition a bunch of speakers and then choose what YOU like. :-)
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Post by Porscheguy on Jun 1, 2011 18:09:32 GMT -5
I will say the same thing I always say, there is no right answer. Speakers are completely subjective. Both brands have good names and have their proponents, but "one mans trash is another mans treasure."
One guy can go on and on about a pair of speakers and how they sound great and you could hear them and not like them at all.... So other opinions don't matter really.
I have heard the ERT 8.3's and did not like them at all. They were very subdued and laid back and not to my liking at all. You might think they sound great!!
Its your ears that count, not ours........ :-)
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Post by Wideawake on Jun 1, 2011 19:44:59 GMT -5
Porscheguy, very true.
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Post by cgolf on Jun 1, 2011 21:05:33 GMT -5
the ERM-1 is not that good of a speaker..... Charlie, the Audioholics review rated the ERM-1's and the ERD-1 at 5 stars, their highest rating! You mentioned both the ERD-1 and ERM-1, did you have them mixed up? The ERD-1 only has one of the 5.25 mid/woofers instead of the two on the ERM-1 since it is not needed on the surround model. I would wonder why you had concluded that the ERM-1 is "not that good of a speaker"?http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/emotiva-er-5-0-speaker-system-review OK, my mistake so I shall clarify my comments. ;D First of all, I meant the ERM-1 not the ERD-1. When I said it wasn't that good of a speaker, I didn't mean that it wasn't a good speaker at all or even a 5 star rated speaker. I meant that I didn't think it was so good that it was all that better than the Axiom M60 or that the M60 was so bad that the ERM was so much better. Make better sense?  ?? |
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Post by Wideawake on Jun 1, 2011 22:11:59 GMT -5
Cgolf, I'm not saying that the Axioms are bad speakers. It's just that I preferred the Emos to the Axioms. And, as Porscheguy pointed out, some people will prefer the Axioms over the Emos; my brother did. So, this is all very subjective. The OP asked for our opinions and that's what we're giving him.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 23:28:00 GMT -5
That's more clear Charlie! ;D
I disagree with some of the comments above. I think one can recognize a very good or excellent speaker and still not prefer its sound. I'm talking here about high quality enclosures, drivers, design and other factors.
For example I agree that a certain electrostatic brand of speakers are very high quality and excellent sound but there are issues with them that put them way down on my list at least in their lower priced models. The lack of excellent horizontal dispersion is a fault I cannot live with. Any speaker that requires one to always sit in the sweet spot doesn't get my dollars. However, I can still say that they are very high quality speakers including most aspects of SQ.
There are other speakers that are superb especially in that critical midrange buy only for low to medium volume. Due to a number of characteristics they might not be good for high volume dynamic range music or movies. Again these don't get my money.
I agree that Axiom Audio speakers are generally very high quality. Just because I prefer the Emo line doesn't mean I think the Axiom speakers are not good speakers.
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Post by cgolf on Jun 2, 2011 7:05:45 GMT -5
Agreed. And that's all I'm saying. They are all good speakers to some degree, whatever that is. I do prefer the Axioms over all the other speakers I've tried and I've tried many, but there are a lot I haven't tried, so who knows what I might have this time next year..... ;D
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Post by pitbullmike on Jun 2, 2011 12:11:21 GMT -5
The Emotiva ERT 8.3's are more lifeless rather than lifelike IMO, I thought they were too laid back and boring
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Post by Porscheguy on Jun 2, 2011 18:35:29 GMT -5
The Emotiva ERT 8.3's are more lifeless rather than lifelike IMO, I thought they were too laid back and boring I have to agree. Not my cup of tea...... |
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Post by BillBauman on Jun 2, 2011 23:17:44 GMT -5
The Emotiva ERT 8.3's are more lifeless rather than lifelike IMO, I thought they were too laid back and boring I have to agree. Not my cup of tea...... To me, they're very dark sounding speakers. Similar to Revels, to my ears. I think I like all of Emotiva's products except their speakers. Not that it's that big of a deal, there are tons of other options in that price range, and more, and less. But, in the killer amps price range, there isn't much competition for Emotiva, so it's really awesome that they fill that spot for us. |
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Post by mrmeng430 on Jun 3, 2011 3:44:22 GMT -5
I have M80 v2's for movies, ert 8.3's for music. Tried the other way around, but prefer this set up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 6:14:38 GMT -5
Soft domes can seem to be "boring" compared with some hard ones. The very best modern hard domes sound more like soft domes than they do like older designs using hard domes. It really is a matter of preference. Having two tweeters like the Axiom's will result in comb filtering, at least according the little I know.
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Post by cgolf on Jun 3, 2011 7:52:36 GMT -5
I've read about comb filtering and have tried to understand it. Technically I don't have a clue. Axiom has been in business a long time and has sold lots of speakers so I have to believe that it's not a negative for them with 2 tweeters. I have wondered though why no other companies offer that...... |
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