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Post by tbro49 on Dec 21, 2011 20:23:17 GMT -5
Thanks for your services Laurence! It works great.
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Post by Ctuna on Dec 22, 2011 2:09:27 GMT -5
I also performed my update this way. Every thing seams to work ok so far except with my older version when I turned off the power and turned it back on the volume would ramp down. This version ramps the volume way up upon start up ? Is there a setting of some sort to change this now ?
Don't see a big difference in sound quality like others have experienced however ?
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Post by geebo on Dec 22, 2011 8:30:02 GMT -5
I also performed my update this way. Every thing seams to work ok so far except with my older version when I turned off the power and turned it back on the volume would ramp down. This version ramps the volume way up upon start up ? Is there a setting of some sort to change this now ? Don't see a big difference in sound quality like others have experienced however ? The volume should ramp to the last setting it was at when last turned off. Try turning it down before shut down and see what happens.
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Post by Ctuna on Dec 22, 2011 15:52:33 GMT -5
I also performed my update this way. Every thing seams to work ok so far except with my older version when I turned off the power and turned it back on the volume would ramp down. This version ramps the volume way up upon start up ? Is there a setting of some sort to change this now ? Don't see a big difference in sound quality like others have experienced however ? The volume should ramp to the last setting it was at when last turned off. Try turning it down before shut down and see what happens. Geebo, I never had to turn the unit down on my prior version, does anyone know why they changed this, thought it was a good idea to have the volume ramp down upon start up. I will try it but dont like that this changed. Why was it changed ?
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Post by jamrock on Dec 22, 2011 16:05:35 GMT -5
This was one of the complaints some had, even called it a bug, that the UMC-1 would take too long time to ramp up on turn on. So, Emo changed it with the .19 FW and made the turn on volume the same as the turn off volume. "Be careful what you ask for as you might get it" the saying goes. To avoid loud and damaging transients, practice turning down the volume to a comfortable turn on volume. If you have Emo power amp (UPA-5) you would be o'k as they have a 'soft turn on' feature. I hate this possibly more than you do. It can be dangerous (to your speakers) and was an unwise complaint.
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Post by Ctuna on Dec 22, 2011 16:28:49 GMT -5
This was one of the complaints some had, even called it a bug, that the UMC-1 would take too long time to ramp up on turn on. So, Emo changed it with the .19 FW and made the turn on volume the same as the turn off volume. "Be careful what you ask for as you might get it" the saying goes. To avoid loud and damaging transients, practice turning down the volume to a comfortable turn on volume. If you have Emo power amp (UPA-5) you would be o'k as they have a 'soft turn on' feature. I hate this possibly more than you do. It can be dangerous (to your speakers) and was an unwise complaint. I liked the fact that I could jam out at a loud volume level and not have to worry about turning the unit back down when turning it off. Hate to turn it on to have it blast my speakers from the prior level it was on. Oh well, looks like I will have to get used to it. Why would someone complain about this, this is like a security blanket to the speakers IMO
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Post by tubby on Dec 22, 2011 16:56:20 GMT -5
The volume has always ramped up but they changed the speed of the ramp and the start up sequence is also much quicker. Since you have a Harmony, what you probably encountered was the UMC getting the input choice from the Harmony and that would stop the volume ramp. Now it is ramping up before it gets the signal to stop it. I forget the exact name of the setting but you can adjust the time the harmony takes to start sending a signal to the UMC, it is called start up lag or something. If you shorten that time you can get the harmony to start sending a signal sooner and stop the volume ramp.
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Post by jamrock on Dec 22, 2011 17:28:18 GMT -5
I'm from old school audio when audio was manual. So, I had to get up off my ass and walk over to my pre/amp and physically turn it off and on. It took me an instant to turn it down then off, as well as to turn it on and up. We now live in an age of "Instancy" We want everything automatic and immediate. Yes, change is dynamic and we just could not remain in the age of 'Manual' But this digital age has created impatience & indiscipline along with the tremendous technological advancement Imagine this scenario: I came home late and tired. The kids are in bed and the wife is winding down to hit the sack. I poured myself a drink and decided to kick back and listen to my favorite disc. I forgot that the last time I turned off the UMC-1, I was watching the Dolphins v The Jets at an ear-bleeding level. What do you think was the responses of the wife and the kids when I hit the ON button on the UMC-1?
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 22, 2011 20:11:52 GMT -5
The volume ramp up on mine is the last volume from the last previous usage.
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Post by Ctuna on Dec 23, 2011 10:58:17 GMT -5
The volume has always ramped up but they changed the speed of the ramp and the start up sequence is also much quicker. Since you have a Harmony, what you probably encountered was the UMC getting the input choice from the Harmony and that would stop the volume ramp. Now it is ramping up before it gets the signal to stop it. I forget the exact name of the setting but you can adjust the time the harmony takes to start sending a signal to the UMC, it is called start up lag or something. If you shorten that time you can get the harmony to start sending a signal sooner and stop the volume ramp. I think you may be on to something here, will look into this, one other minor problem when using my harmony is if I select watch TV and I powered the unit down when I was using a different input lets say CD, the input is not switching from CD to Watch TV in time. Looks like I will have to go fiddle with some of the delay settings with the Harmony One. Heck, I may be able to lower the volume upon power down through the Harmony one as well. Been awhile since I have done any recent programming to the harmony.
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Post by billmac on Dec 23, 2011 15:45:12 GMT -5
I wonder if a preset power up volume would be possible with the UMC-1 via a FW update? It is nice to be able to set a specific power up volume opposed to the volume going to the last used volume level on power up. Try saying that 10 times fast . Bill
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Post by jamrock on Dec 23, 2011 15:58:38 GMT -5
I wonder if a preset power up volume would be possible with the UMC-1 via a FW update? It is nice to be able to set a specific power up volume opposed to the volume going to the last used volume level on power up. Try saying that 10 times fast . Bill Just a thought. You have an AV7005. How does it operate (volume) on power up? Maybe this can quell some of the dis-satisfaction.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 23, 2011 16:39:11 GMT -5
I have always turned the volume down on my equipment before leaving a listening session - a habit formed in the mid-60's when I first got into "hi fi".
So as long as it doesn't ramp the volume up to "11" when it turns back on, I don't care.
Mark
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Post by cleatus on Dec 27, 2011 20:51:25 GMT -5
Ehhhh...after listening for about 10 minutes well known music, still don't like it.I did think of a new word to describe the sound "fake" like someone adjusted it to "sound good" instead of a natural, flowing, the more volume the worse it sounds.Up until this FW the more I turned it up the better it sounded until you thought something would surely break.Oh well.....what was the last FW? I just thought I'd mention that movies souded great with the latest FW, this unit has become a good HT unit, even DV which I don't use made low level dialog loud and clear. I also should say I don't hate the sound, it just ain't as good.The music sounds brash and makes me not want to listen at louder volume.I'm sure there could be those that would think it sounds fine, it's surely bright, but I liked the unit I had for the last two years. kinda what i am getting- posted it down below. sound is very odd- "hurts" almost, very difficult to listen to.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 29, 2011 21:11:41 GMT -5
I am getting ready to install the "19" software and I have a question. The instructions + the comments on this thread say to make sure we use the "V10604 or V10605" version of the installer. I downloaded the version from Emotiva's site, and once it is installed - it shows it is version "1.05.02" when I view it in Vista's control panel.
Simple question...do I have the right one or not? The numbers don't match but it's the version currently on Emo's site.
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Post by geebo on Dec 29, 2011 21:18:40 GMT -5
I am getting ready to install the "19" software and I have a question. The instructions + the comments on this thread say to make sure we use the "V10604 or V10605" version of the installer. I downloaded the version from Emotiva's site, and once it is installed - it shows it is version "1.05.02" when I view it in Vista's control panel. Simple question...do I have the right one or not? The numbers don't match but it's the version currently on Emo's site. Thanks, Mark Mine shows that as well in Windows 7's control panel. What you want to do is start the program then look at the version number in the upper right corner just below the red X. You should see "V 1.06.04".
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Post by klinemj on Dec 30, 2011 8:46:25 GMT -5
Cool! Thanks!
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 30, 2011 9:08:39 GMT -5
Mark, George is right, the version is "V1.06.04". So did your install go without incident? If you used this method, it should have gone smoothly.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 30, 2011 12:47:54 GMT -5
I went ahead and used the "old fashioned way". It did stall out at 97.2% complete on the 3rd step (verify data), but I went ahead and "quit" the step and carried on. I hooked it up and so far, so good! I am putting it through its paces right now...I'll post comments* in the poll I created once I listen a bit more - but so far - the sound is noticably better. And, I've not yet run EmoQ (I figure it would be a good idea to get the Christmas tree out of the room before I bother!).
* Comments posted...loving it!
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Post by tonypay on Jan 2, 2012 13:33:09 GMT -5
I installed the .19 firmware yesterday using the method espoused by sticksnstones and it went near flawless except for one minor hick up I experienced when loading the UMC decoder file. When I clicked "Start" the progress bar got to like 8.1% and then stopped because the UMC decided to power itself down, and then went to standby. Since I haven't read any notes/comments bout this happening to others I assume this isn't normal? So all I did was click on the "Start" button again, and the process re-started from the very beginning, and ran to completion without error. I am debating doing a reinstall because of this but after doing some testing with movies and cable tv I think the install went fine.
Here is what I have noticed so far. My center channel has really opened up and gone to a new level of clarity, dynamics, and realism. It was good before but now its fantastic and very engaging. The audio pops and interruptions via Time Warner Cable are gone. I removed the optical cable that I was using to address this problem before and all seems fine. However, the video lock on when switching cable channels really hasn't improved. When changing channels before I would get clicks, pops, tiling, blips, etc... before locking in. Now, when changing a channel, the tv goes to black with no crazy audio pops/sounds, and within 3-5 seconds the channel locks in. I can live with this because I use my HT system in the basement primarily for movies and music.
I noticed that the exaggerated bass level has definitely been corrected, and the overall audio fidelity/quality has improved. I am hearing more details in movies for sure that were not as prominent before in all 7 channels. Music sounds better too. I still like a little more slam when watching movies so all I did was ratchet up the volume of my Ultra12 sub 1-2-clicks (@12:30), and boosted the sub level in the UMC-1 speaker level setup by 2db. My sub is crossed at 60Hz with my Klipsch KLF30's and after a lot of testing that works best in my room to my ears. The bass slam is tight and punchy but not as puffy as it sounded before.
So far I definitely feel the .19 firmware upgrade is an overall improvement to what was previously a good unit. The video lock on delay when channel surfing is not ideal, and i do notice that when playing cd's the first few seconds of the first song being played still gets lost. But as I said earlier, I can live with these minor shortcomings in my setup.
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