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Post by traider79 on May 7, 2012 20:53:00 GMT -5
Wow this should be a great amp! cant wait.
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Post by knucklehead on May 7, 2012 20:57:38 GMT -5
I've got a bad back - if I can't pick it up forget it. I sold my XPA-2 and 5 for that very reason. I give up nothing with my Acurus amps - same specs as the XPA-5. Come on Emo - how about that digital 400x5 amp weighing 27 pounds?
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Post by katjith on May 7, 2012 22:06:48 GMT -5
I am very disappointed to find out that XPR amps are not going to come out soon.It would be great to have a 300 to 350W into 5 channels.I have been eagerly waiting for one of those.Any comments?
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Post by Erwin.BE on May 8, 2012 13:32:50 GMT -5
I've got a bad back - if I can't pick it up forget it. I sold my XPA-2 and 5 for that very reason. I give up nothing with my Acurus amps - same specs as the XPA-5. Come on Emo - how about that digital 400x5 amp weighing 27 pounds? Doesn't selling the amp requires lifting, rather than just leaving the amp where it is? ;D |
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Post by dragonV on May 8, 2012 17:49:27 GMT -5
I am very disappointed to find out that XPR amps are not going to come out soon.It would be great to have a 300 to 350W into 5 channels.I have been eagerly waiting for one of those.Any comments? Who said they weren't coming out soon?  Still more interested in the XPA-7. Lets hope makes it soon!!!!........YESSSS ;D |
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Post by jamrock on May 8, 2012 19:58:46 GMT -5
The XPR Series amps are going to be a good value but not cheap. And I don't think that there will be a much discernable difference if any, in performance quality over the XPA Series. I'm edging on more wpc and upscale appearance. So, I intend to get the power I want and move on. Right now 7 x 200 wpc fill my needs quite nicely.
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Post by stiehl11 on May 8, 2012 22:20:35 GMT -5
I am very disappointed to find out that XPR amps are not going to come out soon.It would be great to have a 300 to 350W into 5 channels.I have been eagerly waiting for one of those.Any comments? Last time I checked my XPA-5 did 300 wpc... but then again, that's into 4ohm speakers. |
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Post by fdzombiedawg on May 9, 2012 8:36:10 GMT -5
Hoping it will be announced for pre-order in around 2 months. I've got 7 new speakers, replacing a 5-10 year old mirage/polk set-up waiting on me when I finish up this deployment, in a few months if things go as planned.
So are the rumors leading to believe:
Slightly less power all around WPC then the 5, with Little or no price increase do we think?
Or-XPA 5 type power, + 2, with a price increase following the current trends?
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Post by GS on May 9, 2012 12:45:54 GMT -5
I've got a bad back - if I can't pick it up forget it. I sold my XPA-2 and 5 for that very reason. I give up nothing with my Acurus amps - same specs as the XPA-5. Come on Emo - how about that digital 400x5 amp weighing 27 pounds? +1  -1   Its dead quiet about the real innovations of Emotiva. Where are the specs about the XPR, only pictures What about monoblocks, highpowerd and in smaller cases so you don't have to build a new house around your amps. High energy costs..... Its a bit of a disappointment till so far. The competition doesn't stand still. Ncore amp's from Holland for example, buying by internet of top class modules. Jerry |
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Post by Dr. Feel Good on May 9, 2012 13:01:44 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see an amp face plate made out of Carbon Fiber instead of 15 mm machined Aluminum weighing more than a small child This Ncore Amps and technology looks really promising...But most audiophiles are like old war heroes...they like things the way the were back in the day and don't embrace technology all that much especially if it's light weight. they want things to be built like a tank and not the space shuttle ... |
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Post by bootman on May 9, 2012 13:24:59 GMT -5
I've got a bad back - if I can't pick it up forget it. I sold my XPA-2 and 5 for that very reason. I give up nothing with my Acurus amps - same specs as the XPA-5. Come on Emo - how about that digital 400x5 amp weighing 27 pounds? +1 -1 Its dead quiet about the real innovations of Emotiva. Where are the specs about the XPR, only pictures What about monoblocks, highpowerd and in smaller cases so you don't have to build a new house around your amps. High energy costs..... Its a bit of a disappointment till so far. The competition doesn't stand still. Ncore amp's from Holland for example, buying by internet of top class modules. Jerry What available commercial amp has these modules? I have only heard about these in the DIY circles. This reminds me of the ice modules. Power is made up of current and voltage. These type of modules have great voltage capability but physic being what it is, are really current limited. The ice modules had issues with certain demanding speaker designs. I would not be surprised if these did as well.  |
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Post by stiehl11 on May 9, 2012 14:25:04 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see an amp face plate made out of Carbon Fiber instead of 15 mm machined Aluminum weighing more than a small child This Ncore Amps and technology looks really promising...But most audiophiles are like old war heroes...they like things the way the were back in the day and don't embrace technology all that much especially if it's light weight. they want things to be built like a tank and not the space shuttle ... Why not plastic with a hydrographic carbon fiber pattern over lay? Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, the properties that make carbon fiber special wouldn't be utilized in an application such as this, and plasitc can be mass produced. Besides, a carbon fiber face plate would cost more than the parts and assembly of the amp (so you'd look at doubling the price of the amp for no performance gain at all). |
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Post by GS on May 9, 2012 14:27:22 GMT -5
+1 -1 Its dead quiet about the real innovations of Emotiva. Where are the specs about the XPR, only pictures What about monoblocks, highpowerd and in smaller cases so you don't have to build a new house around your amps. High energy costs..... Its a bit of a disappointment till so far. The competition doesn't stand still. Ncore amp's from Holland for example, buying by internet of top class modules. Jerry What available commercial amp has these modules? I have only heard about these in the DIY circles. This reminds me of the ice modules. Power is made up of current and voltage. These type of modules have great voltage capability but physic being what it is, are really current limited. The ice modules had issues with certain demanding speaker designs. I would not be surprised if these did as well. Look for the sites as: www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=105310.msg1082315#msg1082315What I meant, is that a company like Emotiva in 2012/2013 could also be innovating not by bringing products from 5 to 7ch. Do really something about weight and size for another part of the market. Perhaps its coming Jerry |
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Post by Dr. Feel Good on May 9, 2012 21:46:54 GMT -5
Why not plastic with a hydrographic carbon fiber pattern over lay? Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, the properties that make carbon fiber special wouldn't be utilized in an application such as this, and plasitc can be mass produced. Besides, a carbon fiber face plate would cost more than the parts and assembly of the amp (so you'd look at doubling the price of the amp for no performance gain at all). You see carbon fiber looking covered plastic just wouldn't be Audiophile ! Now jut think..Carbon Fiber Face Plate, Carbon Fiber Rack, Carbon Fiber Cable Elevators, CF 100% solid core Silver thick as an anchor rope speaker cables.....ahhh the list goes on and on...REAL EXPENSIVE AUTOMOTIVE GRADE CARBON FIBER...Nothing is too much or non performance gaining for an Audiophile as long as it is expensive and rare enough! |
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Post by stiehl11 on May 10, 2012 10:09:11 GMT -5
Hmmm.... I thought audiophiles were about sound and not about pimping their gear? I guess the Ricer crowd is now into Home Audio? As was once said in one of my favorite movies, "Fools and their money are lucky enough to get together in the first place". Or, my saying money and brains (just like job title and brains) don't always go together.
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Post by garbulky on May 10, 2012 13:09:32 GMT -5
lol@carbon fiber faceplates. ;D How about some automotive shock absorbers for the amp feet?  And a spoiler at the back which pulls up to be an airbrake when you turn down the volume and flattens down when you really "Drive" the amp. We could call it the XPR "Veyron" edition. ;D |
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Post by Entity on May 10, 2012 16:47:15 GMT -5
lol@carbon fiber faceplates. ;D How about some automotive shock absorbers for the amp feet? And a spoiler at the back which pulls up to be an airbrake when you turn down the volume and flattens down when you really "Drive" the amp. We could call it the XPR "Veyron" edition. ;D You mean you haven't slapped a body kit on your amps to reduce drag? |
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Post by woofy98102 on May 10, 2012 18:00:09 GMT -5
Part of the rationale behind heavy electronics component chassis and face plates is that the added mass helps damp internal and external vibrations. Most large power supply transformers have an undesirable vibrational component that can have an adverse affect the performance of sensitive electronics.
An electronics geek buddy of mine explained to me recently that amps with digital power supplies don't require the large transformers of more traditional designs, hence they can be housed in smaller, lighter chassis and require only vibration isolating rubber feet to deal with external vibration sources. Digital amps are also far more efficient, so the massive heat sinks necessary in more traditional designs aren't necessary, adding to the weight savings.
It's important to keep in mind that the technology necessary for high performance digital amplification is extensively patented and that patent is currently the intellectual property of Bang & Olufsen. They aggressively defend those patents and depending on the products, can charge some pretty hefty licensing fees to manufacturers. Naturally, that cost gets passed on to the end users.
Of course, it also needs be be acknowledged that the vast majority of consumers strongly equate heavy, tank-like construction as a measure of quality so manufacturers don't have a great deal of motivation to keep weight at a minimum.
I for one, am excited by the XPA-7. If Emotiva can keep the cost below the $1200 price point and maintain the performance on par with the XPA-5, they're going to have an amp that will not only be popular with budget-conscious consumers, it will also present an outright irresistible alternative to consumers who would otherwise be mortgaging their lives to purchase amps from the overpriced, extensively marketed "boutique" brands.
Just my two...er, four...er, six cents...
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Post by jamrock on May 10, 2012 18:50:43 GMT -5
Part of the rationale behind heavy electronics component chassis and face plates is that the added mass helps damp internal and external vibrations. Most large power supply transformers have an undesirable vibrational component that can have an adverse affect the performance of sensitive electronics. An electronics geek buddy of mine explained to me recently that amps with digital power supplies don't require the large transformers of more traditional designs, hence they can be housed in smaller, lighter chassis and require only vibration isolating rubber feet to deal with external vibration sources. Digital amps are also far more efficient, so the massive heat sinks necessary in more traditional designs aren't necessary, adding to the weight savings. It's important to keep in mind that the technology necessary for high performance digital amplification is extensively patented and that patent is currently the intellectual property of Bang & Olufsen. They aggressively defend those patents and depending on the products, can charge some pretty hefty licensing fees to manufactures. Naturally, that cost gets passed on to the end users. Of course, it also needs be be acknowledged that the vast majority of consumers strongly equate heavy, tank-like construction as a measure of quality so manufacturers don't have a great deal of motivation to keep weight at a minimum. I for one, am excited by the XPA-7. If Emotiva can keep the cost below the $1200 price point and maintain the performance on par with the XPA-5, they're going to have an amp that will not only be popular with budget-conscious consumers, it will also present an outright irresistible alternative to consumers who would otherwise be mortgaging their lives to purchase amps from the overpriced, extensively marketed "boutique" brands. Just my two...er, four...er, six cents... Your comments are worth much more than $0.06. It is worth gold my friend. In the end, wattage is wattage no matter how it is derived - analog or digital. The same goes for all the other specs. The only real differences are weight and heat. There, digital has the edge. There are consumer workarounds for dealing with heat & weight - get a low noise fan and get assistance from a friend or neighbor. So save me the cost please ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 19:19:25 GMT -5
+1 -1 Its dead quiet about the real innovations of Emotiva. Where are the specs about the XPR, only pictures What about monoblocks, highpowerd and in smaller cases so you don't have to build a new house around your amps. High energy costs..... Its a bit of a disappointment till so far. The competition doesn't stand still. Ncore amp's from Holland for example, buying by internet of top class modules. Jerry What available commercial amp has these modules? I have only heard about these in the DIY circles. This reminds me of the ice modules. Power is made up of current and voltage. These type of modules have great voltage capability but physic being what it is, are really current limited. The ice modules had issues with certain demanding speaker designs. I would not be surprised if these did as well. The first ones that came out did but I've not heard many having problems with this current gen. We've had my Dragons playing with maggie 3.7 at my bro in laws store for almost a hour straigt at extremely hig volume in the sound room just to see. The owner said even his mac and sim audio stuff would have crapped the bed in under 15 minutes from thermal shutdown. The dragons were pretty warm but not hot. thats not saying that ICE will be perfect with all speakers but I can't think of many more demanding that the 3.7's. though the titan was a sexy ass amp I must say lol |
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And a spoiler at the back which pulls up to be an airbrake when you turn down the volume and flattens down when you really "Drive" the amp. We could call it the XPR "Veyron" edition. ;D