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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2012 20:23:02 GMT -5
Two questions: 1st question: Does any of the new processors will come with an upgrade card like the UMC-1 did? 2nd question: Can we use our current upgrade card on any of those processors? It has been their policy in the past to issue a 40% off the next generation processor to those who pay full price for a processor. There is not a definitive answer to your second question as the UMC-200 is Cirrus based and the UMC-500 is TI based whether or not they are considered the same generation as the outgoing UMC-1 or the incoming XMC-1. Understand that if you (are allowed to) use your upgrade card on the new UMC-x00 processor(s) that you will not receive a new 40% off card because you did not purchase the processor at full-price. Of course, it's Emotiva's business and they can change that policy at anytime. That's just what has been stated in the past. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2012 20:24:36 GMT -5
Any mention of any more updates to the UMC-1? If a Emoq gen 2 is coming out for the UMC-200, I wonder if there might be one more upgrade for the UMC-1. In a long and detailed conversation that I (and others) had with Lonnie this afternoon, further upgrades will continue for the UMC-1. Lonnie reference that they just released an upgraded firmware for the DMC-1 which had been discontinued for several years, a couple of months ago. |
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Post by richardrc on Sept 2, 2012 20:32:45 GMT -5
Fantastic thread guys. For those of us who are too far away to attend, it is great to be able to see and read about all of the up and coming products at Emo, and to salivate at a distance  Looking forward to getting an XMC-1 and the XPA-1L looks intriguing with 30w in class A, awesome. I haven't read the whole thread, but has there been any mention of the repacement for the reference line of speakers? Richard |
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Post by Tip on Sept 2, 2012 20:33:05 GMT -5
If you walked into a home audio store that had several processor options, would you choose the one that has room correction working today or the that might work in several months? I think Emotiva is a great company and would love to give them some more of my money. If they had a history or making great processors, I might jump in. However, the history just isnt there yet. For me, I wait, I have the UMC-1 that really performs just fine. I plan on waiting until there is at least one highly qualified review on the completed product. The XMC-1 will ship with the ability to correct your room... it just won't be TacT at first. TacT is available as a product right now and you can most certainly go and buy it today. It is tested and reviewed and you'll be very satisfied with the box that was in the 2-channel room this weekend that several of us got to experience. The best thing is that you can use it with just about any pre/pro out there (they used it with the XSP-1 this weekend). So, I don't understand why you're waiting for the XMC-1 if TacT is the only reason why you want it. Don't wait: go get, man! Wow, what salesmanship! OK, you talked me into it  |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2012 20:35:10 GMT -5
Fantastic thread guys. For those of us who are too far away to attend, it is great to be able to see and read about all of the up and coming products at Emo, and to salivate at a distance Looking forward to getting an XMC-1 and the XPA-1L looks intriguing with 30w in class A, awesome. Richard Oh no, it wasn't at a distance; you could touch them and, if you were truly salivating, you could have tasted them, too! |
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 2, 2012 20:38:03 GMT -5
Two questions: 1st question: Does any of the new processors will come with an upgrade card like the UMC-1 did? 2nd question: Can we use our current upgrade card on any of those processors? It has been their policy in the past to issue a 40% off the next generation processor to those who pay full price for a processor. There is not a definitive answer to your second question as the UMMC-200 is Cirrus based and the UMC-500 is TI based whether or not they are considered the same generation as the outgoing UMC-1 or the incoming XMC-1. Understand that if you (are allowed to) use your upgrade card on the new UMC-x00 processor(s) that you will not receive a new 40% off card because you did not purchase the processor at full-price. Of course, it's Emotiva's business and they can change that policy at anytime. That's just what has been stated in the past. Okay, now I'm confused. Mark had stated in his (very thorough) notes that both the UMC-200 and 500 were Cirrus based and that the XMC-1 and RMC-1 would be TI based. Honestly, after what they've been through with the UMC-1, I'm surprised they're putting Cirrus DSPs in anything but the trash can. But, that's just my opinion... ;D |
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Post by richardrc on Sept 2, 2012 20:38:06 GMT -5
Oh no, it wasn't at a distance; you could touch them and, if you were truly salivating, you could have tasted them, too! That is just rubbing salt into the wound |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2012 20:40:05 GMT -5
It has been their policy in the past to issue a 40% off the next generation processor to those who pay full price for a processor. There is not a definitive answer to your second question as the UMMC-200 is Cirrus based and the UMC-500 is TI based whether or not they are considered the same generation as the outgoing UMC-1 or the incoming XMC-1. Understand that if you (are allowed to) use your upgrade card on the new UMC-x00 processor(s) that you will not receive a new 40% off card because you did not purchase the processor at full-price. Of course, it's Emotiva's business and they can change that policy at anytime. That's just what has been stated in the past. Okay, now I'm confused. Mark had stated in his (very thorough) notes that both the UMC-200 and 500 were Cirrus based and that the XMC-1 and RMC-1 would be TI based. Honestly, after what they've been through with the UMC-1, I'm surprised they're putting Cirrus DSPs in anything but the trash can. But, that's just my opinion... ;D You are correct... Mark had it right and I was wrong. It pays to be writing this stuff down as you're listening to the information being handed out. |
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 2, 2012 20:44:41 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm confused. Mark had stated in his (very thorough) notes that both the UMC-200 and 500 were Cirrus based and that the XMC-1 and RMC-1 would be TI based. Honestly, after what they've been through with the UMC-1, I'm surprised they're putting Cirrus DSPs in anything but the trash can. But, that's just my opinion... ;D You are correct... Mark had it right and I was wrong. It pays to be writing this stuff down as you're listening to the information being handed out. Hey, no problem. I, for one, am just glad that you guys that were able to attend are so quick to report back to those of us who weren't. Thanks for sharing...!!! |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 2, 2012 20:48:53 GMT -5
You are correct... Mark had it right and I was wrong. It pays to be writing this stuff down as you're listening to the information being handed out. Hey, no problem. I, for one, am just glad that you guys that were able to attend are so quick to report back to those of us who weren't. Thanks for sharing...!!! Just remember that, when I'm wrong, I'll admit it. ;D |
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Post by 2muchht on Sept 2, 2012 20:57:50 GMT -5
Did they say WHICH Cirrus chip the new UMC models will use? If it is the same one as in the UMC-1 one would think that it would actually be a good choice, as by now all the kinks would be more than resolved. After all, everyone seems to praise the sound of the UMC, so if the current DSP is used why shouldn't it sound good in the new units? Particularly if the Dolby Volume is removed and it is only a single-chip system they should be able to dothis in their sleep, just asother brands have and do.
These are cost-sensitive products and one has to believe that a single Cirrus chip is less expensive than two TI, or for that matter, two of anything.
I wouldn't worry about it at this stage of the game.
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 2, 2012 21:17:37 GMT -5
Did they say WHICH Cirrus chip the new UMC models will use? If it is the same one as in the UMC-1 one would think that it would actually be a good choice, as by now all the kinks would be more than resolved. After all, everyone seems to praise the sound of the UMC, so if the current DSP is used why shouldn't it sound good in the new units? Particularly if the Dolby Volume is removed and it is only a single-chip system they should be able to dothis in their sleep, just asother brands have and do. These are cost-sensitive products and one has to believe that a single Cirrus chip is less expensive than two TI, or for that matter, two of anything. I wouldn't worry about it at this stage of the game. You know, I guess that's true. However, it took a "3rd party" to totally rewrite the code to fix the issues that Cirrus couldn't. If I remember correctly, Emotiva is the only company that actually got this platform to work as good as it does. Some of those code patches, again, if I remember correctly, are Emotiva exclusives. The sound of the UMC-1, however, I believe can be attributed to Emotiva's unique ability to twist every ounce of quality out of a given DAC and follow it up with quality in the output stages. The UMC-1 does sound excellent..... It's not such a good thing, however, that the method of applying firmware updates remains unchanged. This, if anything, is the "Achilles Heel" of the platform. Personally, I've been lucky enough to have never had a problem with it. However, there are many who have..... |
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Post by 2muchht on Sept 2, 2012 22:23:54 GMT -5
For certain, anything that Emo did themselves belongs to them, but there are others out there probably using similar designs. It doesn't matter, though, as it is now very easy to use what they have if the design is the same DSP and DAC. Just my opinion, but while it is no secret that Cirrus dropped the ball a bit, we'll never know how much, if any, of the "it's Cirrus's fault" story is real or cover for other issues none of us have knowledge of.
Again, it makes no difference as the Cirrus solution does appear to work now and they'd be silly not to use it if it is cost effective. I wonder what the DAC is. Indeed, any pics from Emofest of these units' back panel or interior?
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Post by coldfusion on Sept 2, 2012 22:37:41 GMT -5
Anybody spot an xpa-7?
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Post by jerrin on Sept 2, 2012 22:43:28 GMT -5
Great job Matt, thanks. Any details of the RMC-1? 1) More advanced version of TACT. 2) Upgraded DACs. 3) "Ultimate hot rodded analog section." 4) 9.3 (or 9.2, I got conflicting info) 5) Fully balanced throughout, on ALL channels. 6) Will be able to stream directly to the DACs. 7) Likely release next Summer. 8) Two extra processing cores/units needed for the upgraded TACT. 9) Was told this was designed to compete with $15-25K processors. I asked a lot of questions about the RMC-1. ;D |
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Post by villock on Sept 2, 2012 23:00:37 GMT -5
Great job Matt, thanks. Any details of the RMC-1? 1) More advanced version of TACT. 2) Upgraded DACs. 3) "Ultimate hot rodded analog section." 4) 9.3 (or 9.2, I got conflicting info) 5) Fully balanced throughout, on ALL channels. 6) Will be able to stream directly to the DACs. 7) Likely release next Summer. 8) Two extra processing cores/units needed for the upgraded TACT. 9) Was told this was designed to compete with $15-25K processors. I asked a lot of questions about the RMC-1. ;D Thanks jerrin. Sounds like this will be my end game pre pro. I think I will stay on point on my 2 channel build and get this next year. Looks like I am going to get the XSP-1 and bypass the XMC-1. I am stoked about the XPA-1Ls though. Very nice surprise ;D Always wanted mono blocks and these look to be awesome. Will it look like the XPR-5? |
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Post by jerrin on Sept 2, 2012 23:18:12 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear about the first impressions from the Emofesters if you compare the XMC-1 without Tact to the UMC-1. I know it will not be a good comparison but does the XMC-1 have a: different, more refined, more musical, less clinical sound? In my opinion, the XMC did sound better than the UMC. I brought my Patricia Barber Modern Cool Blu-ray Audio. I listened to the 24bit/192kHz stereo using the Oppo on the XMC-1. It sounded really nice. Smooth and detailed. Very nice. I'll likely be getting an XMC for the HT. I think it's pretty much looking like the ideal HT processor, especially considering the price. |
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Post by jerrin on Sept 2, 2012 23:29:29 GMT -5
1) More advanced version of TACT. 2) Upgraded DACs. 3) "Ultimate hot rodded analog section." 4) 9.3 (or 9.2, I got conflicting info) 5) Fully balanced throughout, on ALL channels. 6) Will be able to stream directly to the DACs. 7) Likely release next Summer. 8) Two extra processing cores/units needed for the upgraded TACT. 9) Was told this was designed to compete with $15-25K processors. I asked a lot of questions about the RMC-1. ;D Thanks jerrin. Sounds like this will be my end game pre pro. I think I will stay on point on my 2 channel build and get this next year. Looks like I am going to get the XSP-1 and bypass the XMC-1. I am stoked about the XPA-1Ls though. Very nice surprise ;D Always wanted mono blocks and these look to be awesome. Will it look like the XPR-5? I agree. I'll likely purchase the RMC for my music room and an XMC for my HT. I was told that the RMC would look significantly different from the XMC. It would have an upgraded "sexy" chassis. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 2, 2012 23:35:43 GMT -5
I was watching and didn't read any comments about it. Maybe by the time TaCT is ready for the XMC-1 the XPA-7 will be available, they'd make a nice pair :~) |
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Post by villock on Sept 2, 2012 23:43:33 GMT -5
Thanks jerrin. Sounds like this will be my end game pre pro. I think I will stay on point on my 2 channel build and get this next year. Looks like I am going to get the XSP-1 and bypass the XMC-1. I am stoked about the XPA-1Ls though. Very nice surprise ;D Always wanted mono blocks and these look to be awesome. Will it look like the XPR-5? I agree. I'll likely purchase the RMC for my music room and an XMC for my HT. I was told that the RMC would look significantly different from the XMC. It would have an upgraded "sexy" chassis. Wow RMC for your music room, killer  What is in that room? |
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Looking forward to getting an XMC-1 and the XPA-1L looks intriguing with 30w in class A, awesome.
What is in that room? 