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Post by brubacca on Mar 13, 2013 12:50:21 GMT -5
I find it offensive to be called a "fanboy". Emotiva provides us with great products at great prices. In my experience I can't afford products that sound this good at a stereo store. Also the people at the company are more than helpful both on here and on the phone. If you don't like what they are doing then fine, go away, but don't toss a derogatory term at me because I happen to get and like what they are doing.
No company is perfect, but some try to make people happy.
You know what I can barely stand to go into a local stereo store. Last one I went in didn't have anything on during a Saturday afternoon. I had to practically beg the guy to put on some music. Other one that I have gone to which has Naim and Rega has great sounding systems, but the sales guys will not shut up long enought to listen to them. There is a great store in Lancaster, Pa, nice people and when I buy a TT it will be from them.
Rant over. (nobody actually called me a fanboy specifically, just a generic rant)
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Post by brubacca on Mar 13, 2013 12:53:51 GMT -5
Does the test data show that this is actually a 362.3W amp? Into 8 ohm.
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Post by Lonnie on Mar 13, 2013 13:03:34 GMT -5
Does the test data show that this is actually a 362.3W amp? Into 8 ohm. yep ;D Shhhhh........don't tell anyone we under rated the amp.
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Post by ocezam on Mar 13, 2013 13:14:11 GMT -5
Edit: As I was typing this post, the above two posts were made. Sorry for the redundancy.
During the weeks I was waiting for Emotiva to release the XPA-1L, I was concerned that it would make at least as much power as my XPA-2. During most of that time I think the expected specs were 250/8 and 400/4. At that spec this new amp would surely give me more than enough power. But, damn it, on paper that's less than my current XPA-2! I'd probably never notice the difference, buy hey, impressions matter, and who wants to go backward.
I was happy when it was released as 250/8 and 500/4. The numbers on the paper made me feel better.
I realize that rated watts are really just a marketing function. Actual power depends on specific parameters that are always changing. frequency input, load, etc.
Reading the AP test data on both the XPA-1L and the XPA-2, the 1L seemingly crushes the XPA-2.
At 8 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 265 watts XPA-1L; 363 watts
At 4 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 498 watts XPA-1L; 553 watts
Again, numbers on a paper make me feel great. But am I missing anything here?
Edit:
I just compared these AP test numbers with those for the XPA-100 and the mighty XPA-1:
JEEZ THIS IS ONE BAD ASS LITTLE S.O.B.!
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2013 13:19:13 GMT -5
Edit: As I was typing this the above two posts were made. Sorry for the redundancy.During the weeks I was waiting for Emotiva to release the XPA-1L, I was concerned that it make at least as much power as my XPA-2. During most of that time I think the expected specs were 250/8 and 400/4. At that spec this new amp would surely give me more than enough power. But, damn it, on paper that's less than my current XPA-1! I'd probably never notice the difference, buy hey, impressions matter. I was happy when it was released as 250/8 and 500/4. The numbers on the paper made me feel better. I realize that rated watts are really just a marketing function. Actual power depends on specific parameters that are always changing. frequency input, load, etc. Reading the AP test data on both the XPA-1L and the XPA-2, the 1L seemingly crushes the XPA-2. At 8 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 265 watts XPA-1L; 363 watts At 4 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 498 watts XPA-1L; 553 watts Again, numbers on a paper make me feel great. But am I missing anything here? Yes, you are missing the amps themselves so why don't you go ahead and order a pair? ;D As an XPA-1 owner, I am curious as to just what sort of differences, if any, one could expect to HEAR between the XPA-1L and XPA-1, assuming both are driven within their capacity, all other equipment and connections in a chain being equal.
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Post by ocezam on Mar 13, 2013 13:25:14 GMT -5
Yes, you are missing the amps themselves so why don't you go ahead and order a pair? ;D I ordered a pair last Sat. They'll be here Fri!!!! I believe these amp will be KEEPERS! ...
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 13, 2013 13:26:41 GMT -5
Yes, you are missing the amps themselves so why don't you go ahead and order a pair? ;D I ordered a pair last Sat. They'll be here Fri!!!! ... Oh.. congrats!!! Looking forward to your review. So you are only temporarily missing something, then.
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Post by Jim on Mar 13, 2013 13:58:23 GMT -5
Does the test data show that this is actually a 362.3W amp? Into 8 ohm. yep ;D Shhhhh........don't tell anyone we under rated the amp. You mean under-rate Emotiva amps in general! I have a quick question, the site says: Signal to Noise Ratio (8 Ohm load): > 90 dB at 1 watt (A-weighted). The 8-Ohm AP report says 88.060. I was just curious which one was correct? I realize it's totally inaudible, I was just curious..
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Post by ocezam on Mar 13, 2013 14:14:51 GMT -5
I find it offensive to be called a "fanboy". It doesn't bother me. The elitist snobs that look down on me for owning Emotiva are just that. Who gives a turkey what they think? Emotiva has made it possible for me to get back into this hobby without raiding the kids college fund. I am a fanboy, but there are good, solid, real world reasons for that.
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Post by garbulky on Mar 13, 2013 14:54:08 GMT -5
Oceazam: Yes I noticed the spec has gone up to 90db. GREAT However from the AP specs @ 8 ohms it reports 84 db @ 4 ohms 1 watt and 88 db @ 8ohms. However that could be the old result....and it's still decent. But look at its power output. It outperforms each rating by more than 50 watts @ 0.3% THD. That's362 watts @ 8ohms and 552 watts at 4 ohms!
P.S.: Saw that you ordered it! Congrats!!! Can't wait to hear the review of emo's baddest amp!
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Post by KeithL on Mar 13, 2013 14:55:47 GMT -5
Really, c'mon We always run multiple runs, and it would be pretty impressive if they're that close together. Moving a wire a few inches could make that much of a change. I would assume we read the number from one run, then put up a copy of a different run on the website. (So, they're both "correct".) yep ;D Shhhhh........don't tell anyone we under rated the amp. You mean under-rate Emotiva amps in general! I have a quick question, the site says: Signal to Noise Ratio (8 Ohm load): > 90 dB at 1 watt (A-weighted). The 8-Ohm AP report says 88.060. I was just curious which one was correct? I realize it's totally inaudible, I was just curious..
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Post by garbulky on Mar 13, 2013 14:58:34 GMT -5
Keith Dan mentioned that they were going to rerun the SNR specs. Maybe the 90 is the new rating that was done after the AP specs were taken.
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Post by ocezam on Mar 13, 2013 15:54:05 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear the review of emo's baddest amp! Well considering that the XPA-1, XPR-2 and XPR-1 exist, claiming the XPA-1L as "baddest" might not fit. But "finest", "greatest", "most refined" all work for me. Just kidding! Don't wanna make anyone mad. We all gotta cheerlead for our own team don't we? ...
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Post by cgolf on Mar 13, 2013 15:55:29 GMT -5
Edit: As I was typing this the above two posts were made. Sorry for the redundancy.During the weeks I was waiting for Emotiva to release the XPA-1L, I was concerned that it make at least as much power as my XPA-2. During most of that time I think the expected specs were 250/8 and 400/4. At that spec this new amp would surely give me more than enough power. But, damn it, on paper that's less than my current XPA-1! I'd probably never notice the difference, buy hey, impressions matter. I was happy when it was released as 250/8 and 500/4. The numbers on the paper made me feel better. I realize that rated watts are really just a marketing function. Actual power depends on specific parameters that are always changing. frequency input, load, etc. Reading the AP test data on both the XPA-1L and the XPA-2, the 1L seemingly crushes the XPA-2. At 8 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 265 watts XPA-1L; 363 watts At 4 ohms with a 1Khz sine wave: XPA-2; 498 watts XPA-1L; 553 watts Again, numbers on a paper make me feel great. But am I missing anything here? Yes, you are missing the amps themselves so why don't you go ahead and order a pair? ;D As an XPA-1 owner, I am curious as to just what sort of differences, if any, one could expect to HEAR between the XPA-1L and XPA-1, assuming both are driven within their capacity, all other equipment and connections in a chain being equal. Doesn't the L stand for LOUDER!!!!!! ;D
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Post by cgolf on Mar 13, 2013 15:57:16 GMT -5
Yes, you are missing the amps themselves so why don't you go ahead and order a pair? ;D I ordered a pair last Sat. They'll be here Fri!!!!I believe these amp will be KEEPERS!... KEEPERS??!! Yeah right!!! You know better than that. Nothing in this hobby is a keeper!!!! hahaha ;D
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Post by Jim on Mar 13, 2013 17:26:27 GMT -5
Keith Dan mentioned that they were going to rerun the SNR specs. Maybe the 90 is the new rating that was done after the AP specs were taken. Ding ding ding! That's what I was getting at. A snippet of Dan's previous post: Hi guys, I'll have the XPA-1L re-tested tomorrow to confirm the numbers, as it seems a little high for this design. Lonnie and Joe developed a new test routine on the AP, and this is the first amp to use it. Maybe we have a glitch in the settings, who knows? But in any event, a S/N of 86dB at 1 watt is very good. If its normal to see a variation of a couple db - it's nice to know thats normal. I figured I'd just ask about it now before some crazy later says "!?!!?! It's different - they must be making stuff up". I think the web site said 86 the other day and now says 90. I figured there was an answer somewhere. I don't care it's different. I was just curious why My post shouldn't come across as critical - because its not in the least . I hate being curious! I can see Dan calling me out in his next podcast... Geez Jim its a couple db why are you bugging us?
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Post by deltadube on Mar 13, 2013 18:43:35 GMT -5
wow im confused how or why do they say 250 wpc at 8 if it really is 360 at 8..
seems like to much power for my speakers now..
manufacture limit is set at 350 watts
does this mean i cant get em now will they blow up my speakers etc?
cheers
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Post by milt99 on Mar 13, 2013 19:15:05 GMT -5
wow im confused how or why do they say 250 wpc at 8 if it really is 360 at 8.. seems like to much power for my speakers now.. manufacture limit is set at 350 watts does this mean i cant get em now will they blow up my speakers etc? cheers Yes absolutely your speakers will be vaporized when hooked up to XPA-1Ls. Of course they won't unless you crank it up so loud that your ears are bleeding and your foundation is crumbling but then you won't be worried about your speakers will you. Seriously don't do anything stupid and you'll be fine. Remember, it's almost always not too much power that blows speakers but not enough power.
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Post by davidas6350 on Mar 13, 2013 19:15:05 GMT -5
^ I wouldn't worry about it... I mean, I'm driving my 250w speakers with 1000w (XPA-1) and they sound great at any volume. You will rarely hit max power, but then again that depends on your listening habit.
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Post by brubacca on Mar 13, 2013 19:27:42 GMT -5
wow im confused how or why do they say 250 wpc at 8 if it really is 360 at 8.. seems like to much power for my speakers now.. manufacture limit is set at 350 watts does this mean i cant get em now will they blow up my speakers etc? cheers get the amps, don't run them all the way up to 11 while listening to telarc 1812 overture and you'll be fine.
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