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Post by DYohn on Dec 14, 2012 16:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by broncsrule21 on Dec 15, 2012 20:16:22 GMT -5
Stupid question time....what is HFR?
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Post by danr on Dec 15, 2012 20:19:57 GMT -5
High Frame Rate. The Hobbit was shot in 48 frames per second, or 2x the normal rate for movies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 21:00:08 GMT -5
BroncsRule - is that a Bandit 1200 as your avatar? If so, maybe we should talk - I'm a big-time Bandit 1200 fan and have owned 4 of them. I have one right now that I am considering parting out, and I definitely have some goodies on that bike. PM me if you'd like to chat about it...
Best Wishes,
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Post by Pauly on Dec 15, 2012 23:08:36 GMT -5
BroncsRule - is that a Bandit 1200 as your avatar? If so, maybe we should talk - I'm a big-time Bandit 1200 fan and have owned 4 of them. I have one right now that I am considering parting out, and I definitely have some goodies on that bike. PM me if you'd like to chat about it... Best Wishes, -RW- His avatar used to be a Honda Superhawk. What happened to that one? Did you sell it? |
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Post by RightinLA on Dec 16, 2012 3:53:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately it is an inherently political question, but my opinion is I want some of my tax dollars to support the arts. I think funding agencies like the NEA, CPB, public broadcasting, etc. is vital to the education of our citizenry and to the cultural future of the country. But, as in all things, reasonable people can disagree. That's why the American system relies on compromise and consensus, not on ideological dictates. Or at least it's supposed to.  Of course no one mentions the need to follow the US Constitution. According to the Constitution, the Federal government has no business funding NEA, CPB or any public broadcasting. It would be up to individual states or private funding. The reviews notwithstanding, I'm going to look forward to watching this film on 3D bluray. Three hours in a movie theater is a little long. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 16, 2012 9:45:26 GMT -5
Typical straw-man argument. Nothing in the Constitution requires funding for the arts, but nothing in the Constitution prevents it either, as long as it's done in keeping with the First Amendment.
My daughter saw The Hobbit yesterday and reports that she really loved it and can't wait for part 2. She's in her 30's so close to the age of most on this forum, by the way.
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Post by RightinLA on Dec 16, 2012 10:09:55 GMT -5
Typical straw-man argument. Nothing in the Constitution requires funding for the arts, but nothing in the Constitution prevents it either, as long as it's done in keeping with the First Amendment. You, as many others, have forgotten the Tenth Amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." The US Constitution is very specific concerning the Federal Government's role. As you state, since nothing in the US Constitution requires the Federal Government to support the arts, then in accordance with the Tenth Amendment, this falls to the States or the people. Hence as I previously stated, the Federal government has no business funding NEA, CPB or any public broadcasting. It would be up to individual states or private funding. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 16, 2012 10:26:43 GMT -5
Federal agencies not required by the Constitution are allowed either under the General Welfare clause or the Commerce Clause of Article One. I recommend you take a Constitutional Law class and research Supreme Court decisions rather than believe what you find on the Internet. |
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Post by RightinLA on Dec 16, 2012 11:37:14 GMT -5
Federal agencies not required by the Constitution are allowed either under the General Welfare clause or the Commerce Clause of Article One. I recommend you take a Constitutional Law class and research Supreme Court decisions rather than believe what you find on the Internet. What Constitutional Law class did you take?! It doesn't matter as we have so-called Constitutional experts that widely disagree on the US Constitution. Just look at all the 5-4 decisions. Abusing the The General Welfare Clause and the Commerce Clause by "well-intended" liberals has resulted in the astronomical growth of our Federal Government and our resultant serious debt crisis. Thank you. Read "Liberty and Tyranny" and "Men in Black: How the Supreme Court Is Destroying America" by Mark Levin if you want to be truly educated on these matters. Also read the United States Code, The Organic Laws of The United States of America to see the inclusion of the Declaration of Independence within US Law. It isn't merely a historical document. uscode.house.gov/download/pls/organiclaws.txt |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 16, 2012 11:41:40 GMT -5
Santa Clara University School of Law. You?
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Post by hemster on Dec 16, 2012 12:42:21 GMT -5
This thread is about a review for the Hobbit, yet you manage to bring politics into it. Please read forum etiquette and avoid politics & religion. I know that's hard for you but please try. Now let's get back on topic. |
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Post by traider79 on Dec 16, 2012 13:20:12 GMT -5
I thought the movie was great. A little long but I enjoyed it. The lotr series were all long so it was expected. The details on everything was amaazing and the 3d was done extremely well. I might go back in a few weeks and see the regular versio know to see any difference. If you like the book or not I would say go see it. Everyone has there own opinion just like.......
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Post by knucklehead on Dec 16, 2012 13:35:49 GMT -5
Thanks Hemster. I'm sure we'll all find out how intelligent a pick our voters made 4 years from now - maybe sooner. But this is about Tolkien...
As for the Hobbit I've been a fan of Tolkien for many years. I read the Hobbit before reading the trilogy - a suggestion by a prof in an English Lit class many years ago. I've since read all four books at least 5 times. Never done that with any other author other than Dumas' Count of Monte Cristo which I think I've read 3 times - and The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran 8-10 times - which is more reference material than a book IMO. One that I thought would never be made into a movie. Guess I was wrong - an animated 'The Prophet' is due for release next year.
IMO The Hobbit should have been the first movie - and if Jackson saw fit to break it down into 3 movies thats fine with me. I'm no stickler when it comes to staying faithful to the book when making movies. For me the book will always be better. Movies help to flesh out visual images of characters but seldom add to a good storyline. I'll see The Hobbit when it comes out on BRD. 2D of course.
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Post by audiofile on Dec 16, 2012 14:29:19 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing the movie!
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Post by mrmeng430 on Dec 16, 2012 15:43:27 GMT -5
Watched it in 2D. Not once did I checked the time while the movie was playing. After 2 hrs and 45 minutes, I didn't want it to end!!! I look forward to the next installment!
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Post by flamingeye on Dec 16, 2012 18:49:22 GMT -5
I'll be seeing it on the 20th , 3D of course love 3D , but with my back 3 hours may take a toll
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Post by guitarforlife on Dec 17, 2012 1:26:25 GMT -5
Santa Clara University School of Law. You? OK I drank the kool aide, I tried to resist but just can't. Layers run this government and with all there knowledge of the constitution. Look at the shape we are in. Just because its a law dose not make it RIGHT. Oh and by the way I cant wait to see the Hobbit. I agree it should have been the first movie before TLOR but it should be good. Cant wait. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Dec 17, 2012 1:33:54 GMT -5
BroncsRule - is that a Bandit 1200 as your avatar? If so, maybe we should talk - I'm a big-time Bandit 1200 fan and have owned 4 of them. I have one right now that I am considering parting out, and I definitely have some goodies on that bike. PM me if you'd like to chat about it... Best Wishes, -RW- Yes a Bandit. No it is a 2007 1250. I will PM You. Pauly Sold the Superhawk to buy the big Zuk. |
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Post by spork on Dec 17, 2012 14:23:56 GMT -5
After seeing the movie over the weekend, here are my thoughts.
The Hobbit is long, but its pace seems to be faster that LotR. I have seen many hour and a half long movies that felt longer to me.
It's a gorgeous movie and full of grandeur, but you knew that already.
It is definitely less serious. You need to sit back, let go, and just enjoy yourself to get the most out of it. The dwarves dance, sing, and always seem to be up to something whenever they are not fearing for their lives or reminiscing of their homeland. They grow on you though, or at least they did for those that I saw The Hobbit with. Each of us, in fact, came away with our favorite dwarf and, interestingly, none in my group chose the same one.
It is funny. Most movies have one or two acting as comic relief(s). The Hobbit is full of them, and it is not just the dwarves. Half of the enemies featured are good for a laugh if not ten, and in good ways, mind you, so long as you let yourself get into the spirit of the movie.
There are fight scenes. They are entertaining, and many have emotion to them. Some, however, don't quite fit as well as one would like. These are not bad by any means, and they entertain as well as the others, but there is some license taken.
Many scenes are also ridiculous. Again, not really in a bad way. The Hobbit, taken as a whole, is a somewhat lighter movie, and the action speaks to this as well. The dwarves in particular do not plan their attacks or actions so much as they fall into them somehow (no pun intended).
Sir Ian McKellen is once again stellar as Gandalf. Gandalf, too, is somewhat lighter this time around, and somewhat more mischievous. Martin Freeman grows on you as Bilbo, and Bilbo's character is well introduced and develops gradually throughout.
The star of the show though, is Andy Serkis as Gollum, even if his appearance is somewhat brief.
All in all, The Hobbit is a worthy prequel and addition to the LotR franchise and a very entertaining film. It has its faults, and yes, many of them stem from extending the one book into three films. Even when a scene does not quite fit as snugly as you'd hope, however, the movie still entertains.
Those looking for another serious tale may be disappointed and find further faults, but those familiar with the book will be better primed on what to expect. Go into the movie fresh, without preconceptions if you can, and with an open mind and you will enjoy yourself. It is certainly worth enjoying.
As for the technical side of the film:
I only saw The Hobbit movie in IMAX 3D, twice. One showing was with HFR. Both times the 3D did nothing to detract from the film for me. Although IMAX in general usually provides for a better 3D experience so it may be due, in part, to that.
Thing is, 3D did not add too much, either. The 3D felt natural. It was not a tool used so much as it was a choice made. I personally like 3D on large screens (such as IMAX), but absolutely nothing will be lost should you choose otherwise.
As for HFR, it definitely made a difference in scenery. HFR did wonders for quick movements of landscapes and dwarven architecture. Everything was much easier to make out and follow in my opinion. For this alone, if watching the movie in 3D, I would go with HFR. As for the characters, it took some getting used to, but ultimately I was just as immersed in the universe shown to me as I would have been otherwise.
I liked HFR. (At least with 3D, I did not see the movie in 2D either time.) Your mileage may vary.
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