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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 19, 2012 21:57:53 GMT -5
Right.
Yamaha AVRs (especially their Aventage series) make great pre-pros!
I wish Yamaha would finally make a dedicated surround processor like several other AVR manufacturers have (Marantz, Denon, Onkyo, etc.).
But in the meantime Yamaha Aventage sounds GREAT, and modern AVRs can do a ton of up to date processing for few dollars.
(I like my RX-V1900 which I think sounds FAR better than the next tier down for its release year in late 2008/early 2009).
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Post by sorbe on Dec 20, 2012 5:03:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 9:56:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with the preamp capabilities of modern AVRs. In fact, most of them have more capability than their preprocessor (amp-less) counterparts. The problem lies with their amps and power supplies.
>> RLW - Would you submit to the fact 40-60 wpc is sufficient to run his surrounds? You seem down on AVRs, and their amp sections, but step back and look at what he is trying to accomplish. <<
This is very dependent upon the mix used for the rear channels. Many mixes provide only "ambience" to the rear channels and do not require much power. However, some mixes make much more use of the rears, requiring beefier amplification and power supply. Hell, take a good look at the transformer used in the UMC-1, it is more stout than many AVR transformers. And the UMC-1s transformer does not have to supply power to *any* amps.
I don't doubt that many, if not most, folks would be quite satisifed with having much less amplification of the rear channels. My setup uses speakers that have virtually identical power requirements all-around. And for this reason I purchased an amp that can drive ALL of my channels at the full rated output...
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Post by emovac on Dec 20, 2012 11:00:59 GMT -5
Fair enough. Appreciate the response.
Unfortunately, the UMC (or any pre-pro for that matter) wont fulfill his needs, unless, he sticks to 5.1. If he goes the prepro route (which I had done for years) he will need an extra 2-channel amp to go with his XPA-5.
Off shopping to Trader Joes....have a good one.
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 20, 2012 13:56:16 GMT -5
Dumped all my nasty old Onkyo AVR space heaters for Emotiva UMC-1s and a Denon 4311ci. Btw: I've had 3 Onkyos now that developed problems which seem to be related to premature part failure from their own internal heat. All of them had plenty of space above them and were well ventilated -- they just run hot, all the time. Integra AVRs also run really HOT! But of course, Integra is the 'premium' Onkyo line,...so they likely share a lot of internals - and apparently also share the tendency to run HOT as well! My Yamaha RX-V1900 runs only warm and that's after a really good workout too. I also have a small fan plugged into one of its two switched AC outlets on the rear, so it automatically comes on when the receiver is turned on. Don't think I need it though... ...speaking of, why don't AVRs, pre-pros, etc. EVER come with AC outlets on their rears anymore??? They're really convenient I think. |
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Post by emovac on Dec 20, 2012 14:20:08 GMT -5
Interesting the Yamaha Aventage AVRs are not made in China, but Malaysia, in Yamaha owned factories. Wonder in that has to do more with politics, than economics.
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