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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 12:03:28 GMT -5
In about a month or so I will be looking to buy a new sub to go with Paradigm studio 60's and CC-490 for new home theater area. The room is large but is split into two separate areas by a bar, so the actual listening/viewing room is probably average 15 x 15 or so.
I'm looking at the Paradigm Ultracube 10 but need your sub guru help. Used for both music and movies/tv. I would like to spend less than the $800-900 price on the Paradigm and hoping there is other options.
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 25, 2012 12:19:18 GMT -5
Paradigm makes great subs as does SVS, Rhythmik, Velodyne, Emotiva, and a dozen more. Your gonna get a lot of different answers and they all are right. All these manufacturer's make subs in that price range and all are good. I have SVS sub and its great, but so are many others....
In the end, no one can answer that but you. I don't care what anyone tells you, one mans trash is another mans treasure!!
Good luck!! :-)
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Post by Dark Ranger on Dec 25, 2012 13:11:37 GMT -5
I second all the suggestions that Porscheguy mentioned. They are all very good subwoofers. I own a Rythmik and can vouch for its sound quality, it's fantastic. I'll also add another brand to that list: Epik Subwoofers. They have a good reputation and lots of folks are satisfied with the Legend and Empire models in particular. Look around, read reviews, and evaluate.
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Post by yeeeha17 on Dec 25, 2012 13:43:17 GMT -5
I would just get a pair of Klipsch Reference RW-12d for $299 each at newegg.com and call it a day. I run a pair of these and it fills my 20x28 room with ease. The DSP front controller is pretty sweet also because I don't run emo-q and the bass blends in well with my rf7s.
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Post by audiofile on Dec 25, 2012 13:55:29 GMT -5
I'd say Elemental Designs if they were still in business. Those ^^^^ are all good brands. Most of my friends have Velodynes with a singular exception of one fella who rocks a Martin Logan Dynamo.
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 15:13:09 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I was hoping for specific models that you have listened to and prices approx and since I have little to no knowledge on technical specs of subs. I've only had one in the past and it was a Paradigm PDR lower end of their series, it was okay. I know Velodynes are good but which model would fit into my budget and also wanting one good for both music and movies. So Im thinking around $500-600 would be nice. Was thinking of the Emo XRef.
Oh and Im definitely NOT looking just for loud booming bass, more just to balance out my system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 15:21:59 GMT -5
Velodyne, Velodyne, Velodyne!! Look at the Optimum and DD Series. They do nothing but subwoofers and do it better than any other company. Look to Audiogon for great deals on gently used units...
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 15:28:42 GMT -5
The Velodyne models arent in my budget Im afraid
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Post by jackfish on Dec 25, 2012 16:25:11 GMT -5
Rythmik FV12 for $550 should be on your short list. For better sound quality and a tad less output look to the Rythmik F12 for $787.
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 16:32:17 GMT -5
So what would I want a vented or sealed?
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 16:34:20 GMT -5
FV12 is paper cone?
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Post by flamingeye on Dec 25, 2012 16:41:38 GMT -5
don't forget sub's have to pressurize the hole room not just that area there in so take that into account
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Post by The Mad Norseman on Dec 25, 2012 16:45:57 GMT -5
Check out Home Theater Magazine's "Top Picks": www.hometheater.com/content/top-picks-subwoofersThese have all been reviewed, tested and performance measured. ALL listed are excellent values for the money. The MSRP is listed - but usually you can find all for a bit less than show. Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 16:51:13 GMT -5
Forget the ultra cube type subs unless you are in a severe limitation for space, they just don't put out the price performance value. Paradigm and Velodyne's large subs are excellent but over your price. Also go only for the internet direct subs for the same reason. Here are a few suggestions for you. Look carefully at the size and weight as some of these are quite large, but they put out the best low end at higher volumes and low distortion which the small cube subs can't. Emotvia ----- X-Ref 12, $599 (Fairly compact size, great for music, but misses the lowest movie bass). www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-reviews/59974-emotiva-x-ref-12-dsp-powered-subwoofer-review.html#axzz2G6PIPC39www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2011/12/26/review-emotiva-x-ref-speakers?page=0,1 HSU ----- VTF-3 MK4, $649 www.hsuresearch.com/reviews/vtf3mk4WSR.pdf " The smaller the subwoofer box, the harder it is to make deep bass, and the harder the driver works to produce deep bass. When you see a subwoofer as physically large as the VTF-3 MK4, chances are you are going to get some pretty good deep bass, unless the design is a complete disaster." Outlaw Audio ----- LFM-1 EX, $649 www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-reviewwww.soundandvisionmag.com/article/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers?page=0,6 SVS ----- PB12-NSD, $769 www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/review-svs-pb12-nsd-subwoofer?page=0,2 SVS ----- PC12-NSD, $749 (Cylinder shape version of PB12-NSD) SVS ----- SB12, NSD, $649 (Fairly compact size, great for music, but misses the lowest movie bass). www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/sb12-nsd-subwoofer/sb12-nsd-measurementsRythmik ----- FV12, $549 Velodyne ----- VX-11, 2ea for $229 (this is no joke, two good subs for $229 on factory closeout if you have the room for two, but won't go down deep, maybe 30Hz or so in room). If you prefer a medium sized sub then I would go for either the Emo X-Ref 12 or the SVS SB12-NSD (both excellent for music and good-very good for movies). If you have room and want deep bass for a best buy price I would go for the Outlaw LFM-1 EX or SVS PB12-NSD (or PC12-NSD in water heater shape) or HSU VTF-3 MK4 (all very good for music and excellent for movies). All under the $800-$900 budget. If you like the looks of satin black/smoke black Plexiglas finish here is a photo of the LFM-1 Plus (slightly smaller brother of LFM-1 EX with same Plexiglas top). Sorry, for the short post!
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 18:57:50 GMT -5
Wow Chuckienut that Outlaw is basically a piece of furniture. Pretty cool, but damn big. Thanks for the post.
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 25, 2012 19:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 19:36:22 GMT -5
Can someone tell me if a sealed or vented is better and why?
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 20:13:00 GMT -5
Yes, its good and bad, would be nice to just narrow about three down...I am not sure I like the paper cone in the FV12 seems really weird but it does look like people have good impressions of both FV and F12
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Post by earwaxxer on Dec 25, 2012 20:52:01 GMT -5
subs ---- you need power AND resolution. MY recommendation. Get some good power - ex. Crown - then pair it up with a good driver. Not too complicated. Build your own cabinet if you have to. Great drivers out there on parts express. Crown amps. Great stuff.
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 25, 2012 20:53:28 GMT -5
Ported subs have more output and usually go deeper (a little) Sealed subs are supposed have a tighter quicker response to transients. I think its a lot of what you hear.... and your room. SVS subs can come ported, but they give you plugs if you liked the sealed thing. I had a sealed Velodyne and it was like a toy compared to the SVS for output. You might think otherwise.... Music first sealed. (maybe)... Movies first ported. (maybe)... No right answer... See what I mean? A lot of guys like Rhythmik's, I think they have no output compared to an SVS... www.SVSsound.com
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