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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 25, 2012 20:57:02 GMT -5
I look at subwoofers like I do power amplifiers, it never hurts to have more power and in your case as well, driver, for future growth. If you are trying to strictly keep to a certain size box, then everything thrown out so far by the members are great choices. If you are willing to wait a bit longer and save up a another $300-$500, then your selection of subwoofers become more plentiful. I don't know about everyone else, but my experience in stepping up to a more powerful amp/driver selection is VERY apparent in the home theater.
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 25, 2012 21:00:52 GMT -5
Ported subs have more output and usually go deeper (a little) Sealed subs are supposed have a tighter quicker response to transients. I think its a lot of what you hear.... and your room. SVS subs can come ported, but they give you plugs if you liked the sealed thing. I had a sealed Velodyne and it was like a toy compared to the SVS for output. You might think otherwise.... Music first sealed. (maybe)... Movies first ported. (maybe)... No right answer... See what I mean? A lot of guys like Rhythmik's, I think they have no output compared to an SVS... www.SVSsound.comSays another owner of a PB12-Plus! Imagine what two would do for you Ed! Just thought I'd plant the seed! ;D
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 25, 2012 21:02:19 GMT -5
Snodog, If you haven't already, also check out Power Sound Audio. www.powersoundaudio.comI know Kraemer has one and all I've heard are good reviews about them. They are a break off of SV Sound, ie: SVS.
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 23:43:00 GMT -5
Good god Im not going to build a sub lol. I want to know a decent one for around $600 or less! Too much else to do than to have to build a speaker
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Post by snodog on Dec 25, 2012 23:50:45 GMT -5
Yeah I could eventually use a bigger amp and then a better this and that. At some point you just have to be happy with what you have. I remember buying my first set of monitor speakers and then having to wait another year for the rest of the stuff just to hook them up. I felt like I had accomplished something. I have Paradigm studios and really love them. I'm not looking to go up really in much else, the amp yes but its a shared system that other people (teenage kids) come over and use and I get to use a couple times a week. People get so goddamn nuts with their "You have to spend more for this and that and XX + YY. I just want suggestions for the subs in my price range...
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Post by mickeyharlow on Dec 26, 2012 0:35:22 GMT -5
With your budget, for a few more dollars, you can get a really nice setup. I would go for two SVS subwoofers. Either the PB-1000 or the SB-1000, depending on whether you want a ported or sealed subwoofer. I would suggest the PB-1000's because SVS ships plugs so that you can run it as a sealed sub if that is your pleasure. Two subs will give your room a much better sq and balance. Check with others on the benefits of multiple subs.
However, you may decide that you like the deeper bass when ported. Whatever, you decide, I suggest that you make sure that you can return it if you are not satisfied. Also, make sure the customer support is not in name only.
I can vouch for certain companies in customer service, Emotiva is one, but also is SVS. I purchased second hand a PB-12 Plus. I called to check what I had to do for the warranty. All I have to do is provide the serial number and I am covered if in the 5 year period. No fancy paperwork. I guess that is why I am partial to SVS. I don't have to worry about my purchase.
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Post by snodog on Dec 26, 2012 1:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 7:58:17 GMT -5
Wow Chuckienut that Outlaw is basically a piece of furniture. Pretty cool, but damn big. Thanks for the post. Snodog, we need you to narrow down your thoughts. First you say your budget is under $800-$900, so I list a bunch of subs in that range and don't go over. Now you say your budget is under $600! Please tell us what is most important, music, movies or about equal. How loud do you like your music and movies at the loudest. How big is your room, the entire room, H x w x L and how much sound absorbing materials like carpet, drapes, etc. Look at some of the sizes of subs and see the differences. Do you want approximately 15 x 15 x 15 or more like 18 x 20 x 24? My sub is fairly large and 70lbs, but tall so it fits in nicely. Decide whether you want low bass extension with very good music or perhaps not so low and excellent music or is it a toss up? Sealed subs might be slightly better for music on average but that is not always true with some brands. You have to give us some idea what you want, only then can we narrow down our recommendations. Forget two subs for under $600 other than the two Velodyne VX-10's but not so good low bass. Are looks important or do you think the sub might be out of sight or looks not that important. The best looking low bass in my opinion is the LFM-1 EX, the best performing probably is the PB12-NSD at only 2" less deep but $169 over your new budget at $769. Power Sound sealed sub is nice but also over your new improved budget. Some feedback on your specific priorities please. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Porscheguy on Dec 26, 2012 9:10:43 GMT -5
Ported subs have more output and usually go deeper (a little) Sealed subs are supposed have a tighter quicker response to transients. I think its a lot of what you hear.... and your room. SVS subs can come ported, but they give you plugs if you liked the sealed thing. I had a sealed Velodyne and it was like a toy compared to the SVS for output. You might think otherwise.... Music first sealed. (maybe)... Movies first ported. (maybe)... No right answer... See what I mean? A lot of guys like Rhythmik's, I think they have no output compared to an SVS... www.SVSsound.comSays another owner of a PB12-Plus! Imagine what two would do for you Ed! Just thought I'd plant the seed! ;D Thanks LC :-) Something else thats NOT in the budget. To be honest, I can't even imagine what two would be like because just the one I have is like an earthquake. And that's in a really big room!!!!
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Post by snodog on Dec 26, 2012 11:10:34 GMT -5
Chuckienut sorry I did say that, but I'd rather stay more around $600 vs the $800-900 for the Paradigm. Its the Ultracube too and seems like he has prices up a tad higher than avg. But, he is a good guy to work with.
The overall room if you get into the other side which turns to an extended wall adds quite a bit more to the room. I really can only focus on the listening area vs the entire other area of the basement. It is all carpeted, and a couch and lounge chair. I would say that looks wouldn't be as important since I will likely want to stick it away behind something mainly because of animals. Some subs look really aswesome but again, not really a factor I guess, esp. given my budget. I think I'm looking at the SVS PB12. Ill check Audiogon regularly as well, though I've never bought from there. The reasons I don't want to spend a lot more is because other hobbies expenses and we are getting into a new house.
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Post by snodog on Dec 26, 2012 11:15:39 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping some would have stepped up the Emotive XREF sub but it must not compare too well. Such great prices.
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Post by Logan on Dec 26, 2012 13:23:13 GMT -5
I have the Paradigm Servo-15 from 10 years ago and recently redeployed it (see web "LASERVIEW PARADIGM Servo15 Review[1999].pdf") to my music room since it's critical listening. I replaced it with the Ultra cube 10 in my surround system. I bought it used; delivered; tax in for $500. The Ultra cube is fine for mid-fi. Check the Emotiva subs for value; money back guarrantee. As with most things, it's not about the best it's about "value". :-)
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 26, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping some would have stepped up the Emotive XREF sub but it must not compare too well. Such great prices. Well to put in my two cents, I am using 3 Xref subs and love it. I used to have a Hsu VTF-2 Mk 3 which was a good sub. It goes deeper than the Xref's but it was very large and I could only put it in one place in the room, which wasn't the optimal location. But since it was so big that was the only option. Then I got an Xref-10 during the warehouse sale a few months ago. I decided it was better to have matching brands so I sold the Hsu and got an Xref-12 (the 10's were no longer available). The two best places for subs in my room based on doing response measurements turned out to be on the right side, one in front and one in back. So I bought a 3rd Xref-12 to put on the left front side. I realize that's over your budget but I wanted to put in a good word for the Xref-12. I think placement of the sub is very important. You can have a great sub but if it is not in the right location, it isn't going to sound as good as a properly located lesser sub. The Xref does not go as deep as the Hsu but for me, bass response for music is more important than shaking the foundations of my house. I have found that the Xref is a very musical sub - bass is so much better defined now and perhaps it is because the Xref is a sealed sub, but I think it is due in large part to being able to put the sub in the right location. The Xref's compact size gives you a lot of flexibility. I think they look good, too, plus they have the parametric equalizers that help a great deal. The Xref is no slouch for movies, either. They have good impact and I can feel the bass in movies, such as explosions, etc. Not as deep as the Hsu but it still has good impact. Even though I am using three of them, I would say one Xref-12 placed in the right location in your room would do a good job. Music has never sounded better to me than with my present setup. The notes are so clean and well defined. The Xref makes for a good balance between music and movies and as I mentioned above, the size gives them placement flexibility.
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Post by geebo on Dec 26, 2012 14:30:01 GMT -5
I'm using an X-Ref12 along with an Ultra 12. They make beautiful music together and if I were to buy another sub, it would be another XRef. As Monku said, you can get subs that go lower, but the XRefs hold their own very nicely. They're excellent for music.
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 26, 2012 16:04:57 GMT -5
Lots of folks think that the specs are dishonest, but I have had excellent results with Definitive Technology subs. I've had their Supercube I, Supercube II, and Trinity subwoofers, and found all to be excellent.
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Post by jdubs on Dec 26, 2012 18:57:33 GMT -5
Can someone tell me if a sealed or vented is better and why? In your price range, vented. You have a large area to pressurize and will need the extra grunt for movies. In short, a vented will have more output (per watt) and the sealed will have better sound quality (however I have a vented REL and they do very well vented).
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Post by bigus on Dec 26, 2012 19:54:46 GMT -5
I second the Klipsh SW-112 or even the SW-110. Good power ratings and can go low for the price. I have two, one for stereo and one for movies. Although I've never listened, the X-ref 12 looks like a great deal for the money as well.
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Post by snodog on Dec 27, 2012 0:29:30 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping some would have stepped up the Emotive XREF sub but it must not compare too well. Such great prices. Well to put in my two cents, I am using 3 Xref subs and love it. I used to have a Hsu VTF-2 Mk 3 which was a good sub. It goes deeper than the Xref's but it was very large and I could only put it in one place in the room, which wasn't the optimal location. But since it was so big that was the only option. Then I got an Xref-10 during the warehouse sale a few months ago. I decided it was better to have matching brands so I sold the Hsu and got an Xref-12 (the 10's were no longer available). The two best places for subs in my room based on doing response measurements turned out to be on the right side, one in front and one in back. So I bought a 3rd Xref-12 to put on the left front side. I realize that's over your budget but I wanted to put in a good word for the Xref-12. I think placement of the sub is very important. You can have a great sub but if it is not in the right location, it isn't going to sound as good as a properly located lesser sub. The Xref does not go as deep as the Hsu but for me, bass response for music is more important than shaking the foundations of my house. I have found that the Xref is a very musical sub - bass is so much better defined now and perhaps it is because the Xref is a sealed sub, but I think it is due in large part to being able to put the sub in the right location. The Xref's compact size gives you a lot of flexibility. I think they look good, too, plus they have the parametric equalizers that help a great deal. The Xref is no slouch for movies, either. They have good impact and I can feel the bass in movies, such as explosions, etc. Not as deep as the Hsu but it still has good impact. Even though I am using three of them, I would say one Xref-12 placed in the right location in your room would do a good job. Music has never sounded better to me than with my present setup. The notes are so clean and well defined. The Xref makes for a good balance between music and movies and as I mentioned above, the size gives them placement flexibility. Thanks for the feedback. I can imagine your setup sounds great with three subs! It might be what I am looking for, I don't really like the foundation shaking bass either. More or less just fairly tight and with some punch. Honestly too much bass drives me nuts, I know part of it is in the recording too. I know with my old sub I ended up turning it down all the time.
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Post by mirageone on Dec 27, 2012 15:06:20 GMT -5
I live in Canada and a 3 months ago i was searching for a sub to run with a Monitor V6 complete set-up. This system is a huge downgrade in price from what i used to run many years ago. I had many subs over the years, dual 15`s Paradigm(PW-2500 ported), dual 12`s sealed Mirage(BPS 400) and the list goes on, my point being i like plentyful solid and accurate bass.
I had it down to 4 choices, two different models of SVS,HSU-VTF15 and Epik Empire dual 15. Due to my location, shipping, duty and brokage fees would make them much more expensive and less of an obvious choice. Plus they require a big spot in the room, wich for a lot of people is not a problem but is for others.One morning i decided to go to our local Sound shop, they carry Paradigm,B & W and other brands and gave a listen to a few different 12 inch subs. I finally got out of there with a Monitor Sub 12 (sealed) and a PBK room calibration kit thinking i would bring everything back the next day, in my mind, there was no way in hell this little box would make me happy.
The more i use it, the more i like it, enought that i bought a second one 3 months later just for kicks.It sounds great on both movies and music, take very little space, you can put them almost anywhere and make them sound good. Retail her was $1099 plus tax, out the door i paid $858, a 10 inch in the states you should be able to get around $600. A friend of mine runs a 10 and loves it. Just another option.A good shop would also let you use their PBK as a loaner to set it up.
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Post by flyhigh on Dec 27, 2012 16:37:05 GMT -5
+100 on the SVS suggestions.
The SVS guys are awesome at the Bass Game, and will NOT steer you wrong.
Best audio component (uhhh .....X2) I ever bought.
From the initial call...to the detailed tweaking guidance from the product designer. I'm still blown away.
Even my Wife is an SVS fan!
Sign me,
SVS fan for life....
Fly
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