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Post by dougc on Apr 17, 2013 20:13:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer but I'm im Vancouver, 2hrs south of Seattle. But yes I have 2 Magnolia's about 7 min away in portland. I have listened to your tweeters there and then rushed home and listened to mine. Talk about STUPID duh, #1 They have a different sound source driving their speakers, than mine. #2 Their rooms are accousticly treated, mines not. I obviously wasn't dealing with a full deck there. Don't tell anyone. Damn it I'm on public internet, there I go again. I better quit before Emotiva hand me the stupidity award. Doug
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2013 19:57:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer but I'm im Vancouver, 2hrs south of Seattle. But yes I have 2 Magnolia's about 7 min away in portland. I have listened to your tweeters there and then rushed home and listened to mine. Talk about STUPID duh, #1 They have a different sound source driving their speakers, than mine. #2 Their rooms are accousticly treated, mines not. I obviously wasn't dealing with a full deck there. Don't tell anyone. Damn it I'm on public internet, there I go again. I better quit before Emotiva hand me the stupidity award. Doug Let me try and top it with maybe a bigger dumb dumb . What if you were carefully listening to your tweeters up close, and then went to Magnolia and sat real close, who knows, probably too hard to tell without being side by side, but ya never know. :b. I love the Martin Logans more each day. I must still be adapting to the speakers. I was playing the game Skyrim for a speaker test, and got a character to talk, I faced them, then turned to compare my Infinity side/rears to the fronts. The first thing I notice...yup, the overtone of the cabinet (I think), with the Infinity, then the neutrality of the ML's. Such a completely different sound, but so clean and discrete. I will be happy to start filling into 7.1 with ML, or at least 7ch with a different brand sub. Whatever ML I add is going to be a lower impedance, so more wattage will make it to the speakers . I ended up turning Audyssey off, I could not get it away from making a tin canned sound on vocals, whereas my fathers xt32 version of it sounds just dandy. Saves me from bothering to upgrade to a higher audyssey aka swapping the Denon out.
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Post by dougc on Apr 27, 2013 12:32:35 GMT -5
Just thought I would pop in and say,Hi. Ok I'm done.
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Post by dougc on Apr 27, 2013 13:30:07 GMT -5
Tyler , hows the ML's treating you? Awsome I bet. Been an extreemly hectic couple weeks around here. After buying the UPA 700 I had to change all the settings on my Yamaha. I don't have audasey or any of that on my Yamaha. They came out with that stuff the following year. But I do have like 36 different sound fields. I have always used the Disco setting for music, and the Specticle setting for movies or tv. They sounded like crap with the UPA 700. I ended playing around with diff. soundfields and wasn't really happy with any of them, then all of a sudden it poped into my head to turn all soundfields off. BAM that was the ticket. Now everything sounds natural and how its supposed to sound. Well gotta go, be back latter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 18:15:15 GMT -5
dougc - I am loving the ML's more and more each day. I sold the 2 Infinity floorstanders, leaving Infinity sides and rears to sell. I sold the P362's for $200 with manuals also. Was a nice guy whom I sold to, ended up being here for a few hours like most of my craigslist electronics sales, stuff in common ya know. I noticed after about a week, that my speakers sounded hollow and thin, I guess I did not like the Audyssey XT, I turned if off and kept using crossovers in the Denon. My Dads setup with XT32 sounds fine, but it is in a different room and is a more advanced filtered setup. I have no idea how it would sound down here, but I am not going to go to XT32 on an amp until they are cheap. I then found out days later, that the Direct mode sounded much better than the multi channel in setting. What that does is cut out extra processing, unfortunately it cuts the crossovers out for "small speakers". I can run direct in 2ch as well, with LFE+Main which is what I am doing. I get much more volume with direct as opposed to stereo, and less fuzz when nothing is playing, just sucks on the crossover part but the difference was huge to me. My father got a matching dual sub setup and I got that going for him. I got his older sub from the 90's, and am running that with my Infinity 12" sub. I at first thought that his sub was gutless, came to find out, it was only the placement in the room, I swapped the subs around, and it stayed loud in the same side of the room. I put the sub where I sit, and crawled around and found the lean and not too boomy areas, and put the subs there, dB trimmed by sub amp, and then by Denon, they are as equal as I am going to get them without room treatment, and being non identical subs. I have them almost blended as one, the only issue being that one sub is more cornered up, making it a bit boomy, and I do not have a setting to lower the boomy, only gain boomy. Some subs have a filter to lower it not just gain that portion, on my dads subs it is called boundary, a -3dB, 0dB, and +3dB notched setting. I only have 0, +3, 6 on the sub I got from him, and nothing for that on my Infinity. Either way, it sounds much better than one sub, and the sub would have sold for scrap so it was best to keep it. Mirage MS-12 sub I think, and Infinity PS312 sub. Bass is much balanced now, and sounds great for 2ch. That is wild how you don't use the DSP modes anymore with the UPA-700, isn't that amazing. I bet the modes were doing something to gain wattage back behind YOUR back haha. I have no regrets with these Emotivas, I only dislike the fact that I had to swap each unit one time, but it was worth it, and completely stable since. My Denon creates a ton of heat, even without it powering speakers, and the newer model that has XT32, has a pre-pro mode, to shut the amps off, I really am bummed that I do not have that option, to reduce internal noise, wasted power and heat. Happy that it works though .
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Post by hemster on Apr 27, 2013 18:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 20:14:28 GMT -5
hemster - Haha . I know right, too much verbage into a congested message. The thing that cracks me up is that your three words with the long signature, takes possibly 80% of the total height in my post with a mountain of gibberish :b.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 27, 2013 21:36:16 GMT -5
hemster - Haha . I know right, too much verbage into a congested message. The thing that cracks me up is that your three words with the long signature, takes possibly 80% of the total height in my post with a mountain of gibberish :b. But at least I'll read his three words.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 21:59:44 GMT -5
Good notes I have now, thanks to 11 words that seriously were off topic. Glad you guys had fun . May just not have stuff to get done outside of the forum, like I do. It is calling me right now to get done. Got to go. :b
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Post by dougc on May 5, 2013 11:44:22 GMT -5
Contiplating on calling Emotiva and seeing about getting my UPA 700 replaced or something. Everything works great on it, fror a lack of wording. Extremely bright sounding. Lack of bass and overly bright on the mids and highs. Its almost like the polarity is reversed on the speakers but their not. I have checked them and re-checked them. At a lower to mid level it sounds awsome. At a loud volume the mids and highs are over bearing, I almost have to turn the midrange off. I also wonder if a lack of power at the wall could be causing this ? I have a Peavey IPR 1600 amp, my reciever,UPA 700, and 5 other sources all feeding of the same circuit. Would a lack of current make the bass suffer and send all energy to the upper end? At first I dismissed this theory because, prior to me getting my UPA 700. I used a Carver TFM 55x amp for my mains, 500 wpc @4ohms. No lack of bass but a lack of midrange. It's almost as if this amp (UPA 700) has a selectable cross-over and set to high setting. Not sure what to do? Doug
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2013 19:54:39 GMT -5
Contiplating on calling Emotiva and seeing about getting my UPA 700 replaced or something. Everything works great on it, fror a lack of wording. Extremely bright sounding. Lack of bass and overly bright on the mids and highs. Its almost like the polarity is reversed on the speakers but their not. I have checked them and re-checked them. At a lower to mid level it sounds awsome. At a loud volume the mids and highs are over bearing, I almost have to turn the midrange off. I also wonder if a lack of power at the wall could be causing this ? I have a Peavey IPR 1600 amp, my reciever,UPA 700, and 5 other sources all feeding of the same circuit. Would a lack of current make the bass suffer and send all energy to the upper end? At first I dismissed this theory because, prior to me getting my UPA 700. I used a Carver TFM 55x amp for my mains, 500 wpc @4ohms. No lack of bass but a lack of midrange. It's almost as if this amp (UPA 700) has a selectable cross-over and set to high setting. Not sure what to do? Doug I think bass takes marginally more wattage. I have had a pc with two video cards, pc, sub, denon avr, xpa 200 on one circuit. i would think if you overdrove you would trip a breaker. perhaps poor wall wiring that wont get enough power to trip it...or something might be wrong in the UPA. Has it done that since you got it? How efficient are your speakers and what is yourresistance?
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Post by dougc on May 6, 2013 21:09:29 GMT -5
This amp has been like this ever since I got it. Also at the same time as hooking this up my subs started producing less bass. Like I said, I have a Peavey IPR 1600 amp driving my subs (1600 watts). This amp has a Audiocontrol preamp feeding it, I used to keep the vol. or gain set to35-50%. Ever since I got the UPA i have been having to crank the gain on my subs to about 75-85%. And still not producing the bass it used to. My front 3 speakers are 4ohms in the bass sec. and 8 ohms in the mid and high sec's. over all efficiency 91-92db. My rear speakers are 91db. at 6ohms.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 0:19:02 GMT -5
dougc- Weird on the subwoofer situation, that is some major gain. Is there a way to get a 20ft or more surge protector and run it from a different socket in the same room, or is it wiring that is not flip flopped circuits in the room? I have a recent place but put a 20ft in from the side wall to the front wall, to separate stuff in half just as a precaution. Have you tried turning the Emotiva off, and leaving your receiver on to test the subs and see if there is an audible jump with the Emotiva off? The only thing I can think of is to shut stuff off and if there is a difference, try some combinations in the room and see if you can isolate it to which is the biggest performance hitter. Good that you already checked on the phase situation. Do you think something might be sour in the receiver/processor, or was that entirely the same rig before you got the UPA-700 and it only was apparent with the addition of it. Try running a test tone for the sub with the Emotiva on and as well as off without leaving the test tone, and see if that does anything as a first step. If it causes an issue I would guess that you are running way too much from one circuit, and perhaps the wiring is not ample, if you are not actually breaking the circuit, but I am definitely no electrician so take that with a grain of salt. Curious on your situatin.
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Post by dougc on May 7, 2013 20:34:38 GMT -5
Good stuff, your actually right in the ball park. The sub situation makes me think, lack of power (electrically). But at the same time, prior to getting the UPA. I was running my Carver (1,000 watts) and no problems along with my Peavey driving my subs. Personally I think it's the UPA, I just need a good day to run some tests. Unfortunatly I have 8 people in my house, 3 of which have practically moved into my livingroom.(my oldest son, his girlfriend , and their daughter) They never leave, and when they do someone else zero's in and takes their place. I guess I just need to be an ass one day and kick them all out .
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Post by garbulky on May 7, 2013 22:04:59 GMT -5
If you are using a power conditioner/surge protector try taking it off and plugging the amp directly into the wall and see if it makes a difference? Also make sure your AVR settings aren't jacked up to pass through bass to the subwoofer output. Or your speakers are accidentally set to small or room correction is engaged.(disengage room correction, turn speaker type to large and try it with just two speakers connected and set your output to 2 channel as well). This should help figure out where the problem is. Also calling emotiva would definitely help.
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Post by dougc on May 8, 2013 20:44:27 GMT -5
I have already tried all that you listed. But thanks for the input, at least that keeps me in check. As to anything I might be missing. I'll do some seriouse digging this weekend when I have some time. Thanks again, I'll keep you all posted. Doug
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Post by dougc on May 9, 2013 22:04:31 GMT -5
Well I fixed my bass problems. It ended up being ,lack of power. I hooked up my subwoofer pre-amp and amp to their own dedicated circuit. Bam, my bass came back not only in my subs. But to the UPA for all my other 5 speakers as well. I put on the Ozzy Osbourne CD Black Rain with the subs off and played a few songs. My wife was totally shocked when she found out the subs were off. It also helped clear up my mid-range problems as far as being overly bright. When I say helped, I mean it didn't fix it, but made it a lot better. I hooked up a12 band EQ. out of curiousity set all sliders on flat(0 db) then started cutting the top end to see where the over brightness is. I cut 8khz 1.5 db and 16khz 3db. That was almost perfect. Well gotta go. Doug
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 17:45:45 GMT -5
dougc. wow...nice! glad to hear. i found out my dac in my audio card is phenomenally better sounding than bitstream coming fromy denon 3312ci. looking at going purely analog on my pc and the only digital connections would be tv streamed movies and gaming consoles...hardly use either. umc200 has ext 7.1 which my denon doesnt have. Emailed Emotiva to see if i can tie the subs into 2ch music from 7.1 inputs. Will have to use a splitter for dual subs. Ive got to havr subs for analog music though. btw ive not gotten notifications on your responses.
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Post by dougc on May 12, 2013 20:53:07 GMT -5
Just got home from Seattle for Mothers Day weekend. Are you thinking about getting the UMC-200? I almost ordered it when I got the UPA 700. I wish I had, now I really want it but had to buy a new car a couple weeks ago. Now I'm broke , and will have to wait till tax time next year. To bad they don't do layaway. Oh well. I am disappointed that the UMC doesn't have any front inputs though.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 21:31:31 GMT -5
dougc. Yes. I think i can make a bass channel with my audio card so i might be fine in my questions i had. i want ext 7.1 inputs for use with my pc which is almost the only thing i use. my audio card if it is not bitstreaming...does a dac then adc back into the hdmi out on my card..then the denon does the dac process...too many conversions. recently discovered that my audio card via 2 channels for now due to no 7.1 input on the denon...blows the denon apart even on dtsma and truehd bitstreams. looking to use my audio card strictly analog and out of a pre pro without jumping bavk to analog. a denon with those features is 1600 with more feautures i wont use at all vs 600 bucks for the umc200. i dont even video switch with my denon lol.
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